The consensus of scientists were telling us what would happen, they recommended a "circuit breaker", they were ignored. There was a poster on here telling everyone who would listen that those scientists were wrong. He got many many likes. Now he has disappeared and we are where the consensus of scientists said we would be.2 weeks ago we all knew there'd be a second wave but to me it looked as if it would not be so bad as while case numbers were going up, due to increased testing?, Deaths remained low.
Now in a short space of time the picture looks very different. We are only at the beginning of winter. And it looks like it could be way worse than last spring.
Surely we can't just stumble into this scenario.
Sweden’s second wave is tiny, whilst everyone who locked down is struggling with a massive second wave. Go figure that one too.
I think as someone pointed out about Tameside it may have a lot to do with where the death is registered and so to a degree where there are major hospitals.Surprised Oldham is doing 'so well' being so high in cases pop.
On the 27th October, Sweden had almost 2,000 new cases. Neighbours Denmark had 745, Norway around 324 and Finland 193.
I suspect that would result in more cases as prior to each scheduled cct break, people would maximise their freedom. Yes, I am cynical of people not wanting to conformMaybe someone could tell me why it's not possible but it seems to me that the best way of managing covid (until we have a vaccine) would be to schedule regular "circuit breaker" lockdowns every 6/8 weeks. You could align these lockdowns with school holiday dates so that minimal time is lost for kids trying to get an education and for each lockdown you can pledge full economic support to all businesses that have to close meaning no-one would be out of pocket. What's more each lockdown would allow for a re-calibration of the test and trace system so that when each lockdown comes to an end theoretically you'd be starting with manageable numbers of cases. I would have thought (though this is fag packet economics) that the cost of implementing this strategy would be much cheaper than to continually support businesses at say a 2/3rds level over many many months.
I am not stupid , i know all of that , the economy always recovers , generations always recover , it will again , you cant come back to the life and the nhs cant collapse inthe middle of a pandemic or if you get sick they cant save you , that comes before everything for meI have said it before you dont come across that way. you appear to think there is a bottomless pit of money and a balance does not have to be struck between the economy and lives protected. that balance is made with every other diesease and covid should be no different in that respect. where the balance is is the hard bit. Why do you think the chancellor stopped the 80% furlough, because he wanted to or had to?
Sweden’s second wave is tiny
There's always going to an element that seeks to maximize their available opportunities to socialize, intermingle etc, but I wonder what the difference in attitude would be if people knew these things were regularly scheduled as opposed to being brought in a short notice for indefinite periods. In other words.I suspect that would result in more cases as prior to each scheduled cct break, people would maximise their freedom. Yes, I am cynical of people not wanting to conform
Don't see anything changes as they already know what they are doing by not conforming to current measures.There's always going to an element that seeks to maximize their available opportunities to socialize, intermingle etc, but I wonder what the difference in attitude would be if people knew these things were regularly scheduled as opposed to being brought in a short notice for indefinite periods. In other words.
A few weeks ago, Witty was getting accused of scaremongering when he said we could be hitting 200 deaths a day by November if restrictions weren’t put in place. Well, even with restrictions we’re now reporting 300+ deaths a day and we’re not even in November yet.2 weeks ago we all knew there'd be a second wave but to me it looked as if it would not be so bad as while case numbers were going up, due to increased testing?, Deaths remained low.
Now in a short space of time the picture looks very different. We are only at the beginning of winter. And it looks like it could be way worse than last spring.
Surely we can't just stumble into this scenario.
Japan a country way more populace than the UK has had less than 2,000 covid deaths. Let that sink in.
I don't hear stories about it or Korea or Singapore being on their knees economically.
It looks to me that we alongside France,Spain,Italy, Belgium, the US et al have managed this very poorly.
Good morning Kaz, I think we both agree more needs to be done to kerb the virus, I just don't agree with repeated national lockdowns as you do, IMO we need tougher targeted measures and the ability to shield vulnerable people better. You say that the economy will recover but the damage being done isn't sustainable. There wont be sufficient money for the NHS in 2 or 3 years time if we carry on like this. So you think another national lockdown of a month now ( with or without all schools shut? ) then another in Jan Feb and another in March or April? How many do you propose out of interest? Then come April what are we going to do then with 3-4million unemployed and the virus still rife? I'm just trying to figure out what your exit strategy is?I am not stupid , i know all of that , the economy always recovers , generations always recover , it will again , you cant come back to the life and the nhs cant collapse inthe middle of a pandemic or if you get sick they cant save you , that comes before everything for me
Meanwhile
Researchers from Imperial College London say existing measures to control the virus aren't working.
And they argue more stringent action is needed nationwide "sooner rather than later".
The latest round of testing for the widely-respected REACT-1 study suggests one in 78 people across England has the virus. And the epidemic is doubling in size every nine days.
I think 2-3 weeks now , as i kept saying but got shot down for being negative , winter was going to be the worst time , longer if not so much of a peak but more deadly , this is the priority at hand imo, we have to protect the nhs , there is no other option . Also if people want any kind of holidays we have to interupt the spread now , as soon as people start travelling and mixing then it will rocket , short sharp lockdowns to depress the spread till we get to spring is our best weapon , our only weapon , we have to manage it so the nhs doesnt collapse , it struggles in normal winter as it isGood morning Kaz, I think we both agree more needs to be done to kerb the virus, I just don't agree with repeated national lockdowns as you do, IMO we need tougher targeted measures and the ability to shield vulnerable people better. You say that the economy will recover but the damage being done isn't sustainable. There wont be sufficient money for the NHS in 2 or 3 years time if we carry on like this. So you think another national lockdown of a month now ( with or without all schools shut? ) then another in Jan Feb and another in March or April? How many do you propose out of interest? Then come April what are we going to do then with 3-4million unemployed and the virus still rife? I'm just trying to figure out what your exit strategy is?