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BigJoe#1 said:
Because.... they never had a national shut down, they never closed all their pubs, restaurants, bars and businesses. They never closed all their schools and education facilities.

They never insisted on everyone wearing masks and they still don't.

They currently have all their public services and transports running, over 90-95% of commuters do not wear masks.

They DID have a limit on outside gatherings... No more than 50, yes 50 people are allowed to gather. They do ask people to observe social distancing, and wherever possible people do.

Like it or not, argue population densities or whatever you like, their economy is in much better shape than ours.

Go to Sweden tonight and you will find all the pubs open and people out socialising.

It's debateable as to whether the Swedish population are more or less at risk than the UK, but what is true is they have had less deaths per 100,000 of the population and, last time I checked, their 14 day reinfection count was miles below us.

Which model would I choose to follow, Swedish for me, you are quite entitled to disagree.
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Dont they have the worst death rate in the area and rising ? They clearly complied better than we did , you cant compare them to us for many reasons posted ad nausium
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Because.... they never had a national shut down, they never closed all their pubs, restaurants, bars and businesses. They never closed all their schools and education facilities.

They never insisted on everyone wearing masks and they still don't.

They currently have all their public services and transports running, over 90-95% of commuters do not wear masks.

They DID have a limit on outside gatherings... No more than 50, yes 50 people are allowed to gather. They do ask people to observe social distancing, and wherever possible people do.

Like it or not, argue population densities or whatever you like, their economy is in much better shape than ours.

Go to Sweden tonight and you will find all the pubs open and people out socialising.

It's debateable as to whether the Swedish population are more or less at risk than the UK, but what is true is they have had less deaths per 100,000 of the population and, last time I checked, their 14 day reinfection count was miles below us.

Which model would I choose to follow, Swedish for me, you are quite entitled to disagree.
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kaz7 said:
Dont they have the worst death rate in the area and rising ? They clearly complied better than we did , you cant compare them to us for many reasons posted ad nausium
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They may have, but it less than the UK and rising slower. The only people that don't want to compare and contrast are those who think our Government is perfect and untouchable.
 
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Northern Ireland data:

8 deaths

Cases 822 from 37.2K tests

361 in hospital up 9

39 on ventilators up 2

The 7 day rolling case average has fallen below 6000 for the first time since before the circuit breaker. To 5947.

However, the number of over 80 in the lower number has risen again to more than it was a week ago with 1000 extra cases on the total. This is why deaths are occurring in big numbers now sadly.

Quite a few in care homes again I think.

UK wide we need to protect the vulnerable more to stem this rise in deaths.
 
Northern Ireland 3 wks ago v 2 wks v last week v today

Deaths 1 v 4 v 5 v 8 today

Cases 923 v 763 v 1042 v 822 today


Rolling 7 day total 4674 v 6294 v 6753 v 5947 today

Patients 120 v 201 v 291 v 361 today

Ventilators 11 v 17 v 23 v 39 today - note the big uptick on ventilator (and death) numbers linked I am sure to the rise in over 80s testing positive.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Because.... they never had a national shut down, they never closed all their pubs, restaurants, bars and businesses. They never closed all their schools and education facilities.

They never insisted on everyone wearing masks and they still don't.

They currently have all their public services and transports running, over 90-95% of commuters do not wear masks.

They DID have a limit on outside gatherings... No more than 50, yes 50 people are allowed to gather. They do ask people to observe social distancing, and wherever possible people do.

Like it or not, argue population densities or whatever you like, their economy is in much better shape than ours.

Go to Sweden tonight and you will find all the pubs open and people out socialising.

It's debateable as to whether the Swedish population are more or less at risk than the UK, but what is true is they have had less deaths per 100,000 of the population and, last time I checked, their 14 day reinfection count was miles below us.

Which model would I choose to follow, Swedish for me, you are quite entitled to disagree.
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ditto Japan , ditto South Korea
 
worsleyweb said:
Thats good news.
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Yes it is, I think the restrictions in Scotland and N Ireland seem to be working. Wales too early to tell. England ditto though the Merseyside numbers have improved so that is hopeful.

If we see GM fall over the next week or so then I think we can be hopeful.
 
Parts of the Midlands, Yorkshire as well as Luton and Oxford city will move into Tier 2 coronavirus restrictions from 12.01am on Saturday.

In the North, the changes will affect:


  • East Riding of Yorkshire
  • Kingston-Upon-Hull
  • North East Lincolnshire
  • North Lincolnshire.
In the Midlands, the areas affected are:

  • Dudley
  • Staffordshire
  • Telford and the Wrekin
  • Amber Valley
  • Bolsover
  • Derbyshire Dales
  • Derby Cit
  • South Derbyshire
  • The whole of High Peak
  • Charnwood.
 
worsleyweb said:
Thats down a bit?
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Yes at 258 we had a record UK hospital total today. So seems very few care home/at home add ons from England today. The other nations tend to report all settings unlike England which issue hospital only first before the all settings later.

Just 22 add on deaths to England today v 62 yesterday and 115 the day before.
 
Healdplace said:
Yes it is, I think the restrictions in Scotland and N Ireland seem to be working. Wales too early to tell. England ditto though the Merseyside numbers have improved so that is hopeful.

If we see GM fall over the next week or so then I think we can be hopeful.
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Just maybe "they" have got the balance right??? You will always get the idiots but most people i see still never shaking hands, keeping distance and being sensible. Somehow managing to keep schools and universities going, economy just ticking over and managing the situation until a vaccine?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
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Can't access it but this is Swedens third city and I have not said they are indestructible, just that IMHO they have dealt with it better than the UK.

As of 29th October and as of the last 14 days

The UK had 431.6 new infections per 100,000 and 3.8 deaths per 100,000..

Sweden had 159.2 new infections per 100,000 and 0.3 deaths per 100,000.

Given where we are and we got here I cannot see any logical reason to suggest the Swedish process was not vastly superior to the UK's.

Source:

www.ecdc.europa.eu

The European Respiratory Virus Surveillance Summary (ERVISS)

This interactive dashboard provides a weekly integrated epidemiological summary for influenza, RSV and SARS-CoV-2.
www.ecdc.europa.eu www.ecdc.europa.eu
 
worsleyweb said:
Just maybe "they" have got the balance right??? You will always get the idiots but most people i see still never shaking hands, keeping distance and being sensible. Somehow managing to keep schools and universities going, economy just ticking over and managing the situation until a vaccine?
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it probably is if we get a vaccine in the next few months which is seemingly likely .
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
it probably is if we get a vaccine in the next few months which is seemingly likely .
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i had another text off my friend who's son is a scientist at AZ last night. Still extremely confident. Also my cousin is a nurse high up in the NHS and she has received communication she is likely to get a vaccine pre xmas.

I will get shot down no doubt but i have no reason to doubt these credible people.
 
worsleyweb said:
i had another text off my friend who's son is a scientist at AZ last night. Still extremely confident. Also my cousin is a nurse high up in the NHS and she has received communication she is likely to get a vaccine pre xmas.

I will get shot down no doubt but i have no reason to doubt these credible people.
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Great news
 
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