COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[blueparrot]

Can't access it but this is Swedens third city and I have not said they are indestructible, just that IMHO they have dealt with it better than the UK.

As of 29th October and as of the last 14 days

The UK had 431.6 new infections per 100,000 and 3.8 deaths per 100,000..

Sweden had 159.2 new infections per 100,000 and 0.3 deaths per 100,000.

Given where we are and we got here I cannot see any logical reason to suggest the Swedish process was not vastly superior to the UK's.

Source:

The European Respiratory Virus Surveillance Summary (ERVISS)

This interactive dashboard provides a weekly integrated epidemiological summary for influenza, RSV and SARS-CoV-2.

www.ecdc.europa.eu

If we'd have followed Sweden, the NHS would have been overwhelmed it came close in April. Sweden is nothing like the UK / or England at least no matter how many times you try and compare them.May as well say we should have followed New Zealand which is equally pointless as a comparison as we are nothing like them either.

 

[Healdplace]

Regional scoreboard good news for most but not so much for NW again.

London 1933 - down from 2477

Midlands 2357 - down from 2576

North East 1136 - up from 1021

Yorkshire 3387 - down from 3765

But NW sadly is UP - though only by 41 - to 5032 - from 4991.

NW now has 205, 150 cases by the way - topped 200,000 yesterday.

Next nearest across the pandemic is Yorkshire at 122, 297.

London has just 93, 431.

Easy to see why we are in such a mess.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

If we'd have followed Sweden, the NHS would have been overwhelmed it came close in April. Sweden is nothing like the UK / or England at least no matter how many times you try and compare them.May as well say we should have followed New Zealand which is equally pointless as a comparison as we are nothing like them either.

Sweden shut its borders to high risk countries we didn't. Its an interesting comparison, and one which we should be looking at imo. How else are we different aside from peoples attitudes? Is it the number of ICU beds and staff per capita ? And please don't state population density which is utter nonsense. NZ are completely different to nearly every other developed western country.

 

[Healdplace]

The regional pop score for the North West is 2794 if you want to compare your town to the regional average on my list later.

London by comparison is just 1042 - far below every single GM borough.

In fact Yorkshire's regional Pop is below every GM borough bar Stockport and only just there too.

So this is not the population numbers that are making the NW the epicentre in terms of just more people here as the Pop score evens that out.

Though it may be to do with density of the population - in more than one sense of that word.

 

[west didsblue]

Can't access it but this is Swedens third city and I have not said they are indestructible, just that IMHO they have dealt with it better than the UK.

As of 29th October and as of the last 14 days

The UK had 431.6 new infections per 100,000 and 3.8 deaths per 100,000..

Sweden had 159.2 new infections per 100,000 and 0.3 deaths per 100,000.

Given where we are and we got here I cannot see any logical reason to suggest the Swedish process was not vastly superior to the UK's.

Source:

The European Respiratory Virus Surveillance Summary (ERVISS)

This interactive dashboard provides a weekly integrated epidemiological summary for influenza, RSV and SARS-CoV-2.

www.ecdc.europa.eu

Why the comparison with Sweden? Compare Sweden to its similar neighbours like Norway, Denmark and Finland and it’s doing really badly.

Our comparison is with France, Spain, Germany and Italy and we did the worst of the lot first time round. This time it looks much more comparable. It’s densely populated countries like South Korea and Vietnam that we should have learnt lessons from before the second wave, not Sweden.

 

[blueparrot]

please don't state population density which is utter nonsense

Well no it isn't, which is why huge parts of Scotland also do very well. Why does Sweden do worse than Norway / Denmark .

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

It's odd how London with its population, tube travel etc, all the protests have managed to have less than half the number of reported cases than we have in the NW. I wonder if it's because they had it worse to start with and since train / tube travel is well down there are fewer interactions compared to the morons who inhabit the NW. Strange anomaly.

 

[artfuldodger]

Covid-19: Some Blackburn families 'ignoring guidelines'

Some families in Blackburn with Darwen are not complying with guidelines, a health expert says.

www.bbc.co.uk

Then do something about it!,

 

[BigJoe#1]

If we'd have followed Sweden, the NHS would have been overwhelmed it came close in April. Sweden is nothing like the UK / or England at least no matter how many times you try and compare them.May as well say we should have followed New Zealand which is equally pointless as a comparison as we are nothing like them either.

What...? Even after we'd built all the Nightingale hospitals that we never used?

To go into total denial and dismiss what was one of the better options out of hand is ridiculous IMHO... still this is a forum where a range of opinions need to be discussed.

 

[blueparrot]

What...? Even after we'd built all the Nightingale hospitals that we never used?

To go into total denial and dismiss what was one of the better options out of hand is ridiculous IMHO... still this is a forum where a range of opinions need to be discussed.

The Nightingale were a stand by in case of failure of the NHS to cope , we came close to needing them but didn't thankfully. The Nightingles are for emergency cover and are not surplus capacity of the NHS.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Why the comparison with Sweden? Compare Sweden to its similar neighbours like Norway, Denmark and Finland and it’s doing really badly.

Our comparison is with France, Spain, Germany and Italy and we did the worst of the lot first time round. This time it looks much more comparable. It’s densely populated countries like South Korea and Vietnam that we should have learnt lessons from before the second wave, not Sweden.

I prefer to contrast and compare with everyone as opposed to being so dismissive.

There are other reasons why Sweden did better but to dismiss them is a tad blinkered and short sighted IMHO.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Well no it isn't, which is why huge parts of Scotland also do very well. Why does Sweden do worse than Norway / Denmark .

Im not going to explain it yet again. Read up on human geography then look at where the vast majority of the population of Sweden lives and do the same with England?

The discussion isn't that they did worse than Norway and Denmark Its that they did better than us!?

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital numbers up from 8171 to 8535 - rise of 364 v 717 yesterday. 13 May was last time this many were in hospital. Week ago was 6018.

Ventilators up from 742 to 788 - rise of 46 v 61 yesterday. 23 May was last time there were 788 on ventilators. Week ago was 571.

 

[blueparrot]

Im not going to explain it yet again. Read up on human geography then look at where the vast majority of the population of Sweden lives and do the same with England?

The discussion isn't that they did worse than Norway and Denmark Its that they did better than us!?

Of course it is because Norway and Denmark are abetter comparison the England, they locked down Seden didn't, and they did far better.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I prefer to contrast and compare with everyone as opposed to being so dismissive.

There are other reasons why Sweden did better but to dismiss them is a tad blinkered and short sighted IMHO.

Yes we all like the comparisons with New Zealand

 

[bluegray]

I caught covid back in May. After being clear for 28 days I went to Plymouth Grove blood centre to give plasma. After each donation I get an email within a couple of days saying my antibodys are still at a level in which they can use my plasma to give to ill patients. Today was my 7th time with another appointment booked for 2 weeks. Be interesting to see how long I keep producing them, I read an article the other day in which a man gave his 10th and was the first to get to that number.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

The Nightingale were a stand by in case of failure of the NHS to cope , we came close to needing them but didn't thankfully. The Nightingles are for emergency cover and are not surplus capacity of the NHS.

Instead of overspill into Nightingales why could we not have utilised them as our primary treatment centres and if necessary allowed minimal over-spill back to the hospitals. This would have freed up our wards for non Covid treatment, presuming of course we have staffing capabilities to enable this and also as an addendum minimised spread. Keeping contaminated people together in one primary location seems a fairly sensible call to me. Just asking like ?

 

[inchy14]

It's odd how London with its population, tube travel etc, all the protests have managed to have less than half the number of reported cases than we have in the NW. I wonder if it's because they had it worse to start with and since train / tube travel is well down there are fewer interactions compared to the morons who inhabit the NW. Strange anomaly.

Less tests maybe... do we actually know how many get tested daily in each region?

 

[blueish swede]

Because.... they never had a national shut down, they never closed all their pubs, restaurants, bars and businesses. They never closed all their schools and education facilities.

They never insisted on everyone wearing masks and they still don't.

They currently have all their public services and transports running, over 90-95% of commuters do not wear masks.

They DID have a limit on outside gatherings... No more than 50, yes 50 people are allowed to gather. They do ask people to observe social distancing, and wherever possible people do.

Like it or not, argue population densities or whatever you like, their economy is in much better shape than ours.

Go to Sweden tonight and you will find all the pubs open and people out socialising.

It's debateable as to whether the Swedish population are more or less at risk than the UK, but what is true is they have had less deaths per 100,000 of the population and, last time I checked, their 14 day reinfection count was miles below us.

Which model would I choose to follow, Swedish for me, you are quite entitled to disagree.

That aged well!

New recommendations as of today:
No to indoor environments like libraries, gyms, bars, shops, baths, museums.
No to sports events, concerts, exhibitions.
Avoid public transport.
Work from home where possible.
No to visiting other peoples homes.
No physical contact with people outside your household.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Well no it isn't, which is why huge parts of Scotland also do very well. Why does Sweden do worse than Norway / Denmark

Last 14 days Denmark had more new infections and a higher death rate per 100,000.

New infections: Sweden 159.2 Denmark: 165

Deaths: Sweden 0.3 Denmark 0.7