COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[PragueBlue]

The vulnerable and those at high risk, thought that was pretty obvious when I said why lock down the young and healthy.

The would be ideal but the problem is when the young and healthy live with the old and high risk people, which I am sure many do.

My mother and I would be classed as at high risk. My wife and 3 kids would be classed as young and healthy.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I know they are your Angels Karen but they are no more special than any other group. I wonder how many women were given a good hiding last night from their abusive partner who is sick of being told to stay at home and sick of being asked why they can't afford x,y,z? I wonder how many people, have considered or attempted suicide due to the financial pressure they are now under? I wonder how many cancer patients have had years knocked off their lives due to lack of treatment?

I could go on.

200 is a lot or an insignificant number depending on your perspective. It's about 0.5% of the total excess mortality so far.

there will be two enquiries.

one in about 12 months time where the govt will face questions about whether it locked down soon enough, was it prepared enough and was the flight policy correct etc.are our death numbers too high.

Another in 3 / 5 years when we have all the data and we evaluate the true cost and damage of our actions and the number of deaths and issues from the lockdown as well . At the moment we are pausing our lives, seeing friends and family , postponing weddings and christenings businesses and livelihoods up in smoke and we will evaluate was our response proportionate to the problem. Let’s say 50,000 deaths from Covid out of a population 68,000,000.

 

[grunge]

It's a question for the future certainly. However I fail to see it's relevance to the current discussion unless you know of a special way to prevent anyone from being infected. If you do please speak up!

Nope, was just a general comment that had been mulling about in my head.

 

[kaz7]

I know they are your Angels Karen but they are no more special than any other group. I wonder how many women were given a good hiding last night from their abusive partner who is sick of being told to stay at home and sick of being asked why they can't afford x,y,z? I wonder how many people, have considered or attempted suicide due to the financial pressure they are now under? I wonder how many cancer patients have had years knocked off their lives due to lack of treatment?

I could go on.

200 is a lot or an insignificant number depending on your perspective. It's about 0.5% of the total excess mortality so far.

Well I see people,you see numbers

 

[True_Blue69]

You have had your head in the sand from the start,you should pay attention to the stories of the young people dying and front line workers who are nowhere near being old and vulnerable,please don't quote me again

And there we go, no rational comeback so revert to your default response.

You should pay attention to the young killing themselves because they are locked in their house or the kids being murdered by abusive family members. What about the 16 women and kids murdered due to lockdown, do they not count?

 

[True_Blue69]

The would be ideal but the problem is when the young and healthy live with the old and high risk people, which I am sure many do.

My mother and I would be classed as at high risk. My wife and 3 kids would be classed as young and healthy.

There's no one size fits all solution either way is there. Which is why a combination of lockdown and business as usual with social distancing etc would have been better in my opinion. There is no benefit in me being locked in my house for 23 hours a day. My Mum is high risk, I just wouldn't be able to visit her the same way I'm not now.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Depending on the age of the resident's they may not be suitable for ventilation anyway. Many covid patients don't get ventilation because they are too frail for the invasive procedure. This wasn't taken into account when the mass ventilator hysteria was in full flow a month ago. Turns out really old people can't survive ventilation and many doctors knew this. It just didn't make the news.

No. you are right. Bloody shame. My mum is locked down in a dementia care home so its cross fingers that she stays safe.

 

[purplenose]

Which is why locking everyone down will be proven to have been the wrong thing to do in the long run in my opinion.

Rubbish.

 

[SilverFox2]

You don't need an enquiry. It's the same answer as the UK. The models at the time gave extremely high death rates.

I think that is fair.
So many variables and decisions that may be affected by science, politics, policing, geography, population, density of population capabilities, age, finance etc.
As you say death happens whatever the measures taken.

 

[grunge]

There's no one size fits all solution either way is there. Which is why a combination of lockdown and business as usual with social distancing etc would have been better in my opinion. There is no benefit in me being locked in my house for 23 hours a day. My Mum is high risk, I just wouldn't be able to visit her the same way I'm not now.

In retrospect this is may well be accurate but its one that will be debated for years. but with the risk of overwhelming the NHS and at that point this being quite an unknown quantity this was probably the best move we had. and we would have overwhelemd the NHS in a major way if we hadn't locked down when we did. would have had to softer blocks way before if we wanted to do it that way.

Im sticking to my view that in the next 3/6 months we will loosen the lockdown a fair bit, open the Sluice gates as it were and get a steady flow of infections but without that risk of overloading the NHS.

if they stand down these nightingale hospitals then maybe we'll be a lot more cautious about it but I do view those as key to the end game.