COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[kaz7]

Do you think that someone with terminal cancer, who gets admitted to hospital and then tests positive for Covid and dies is a Covid death?

Depends when they expected to die , a year then yes, 2 weeks then no but covid will be on the certificate as a contributing factor obviously , it has to be recorded, you want it to be black and white and it isnt because of the damage it does

 

[cleavers]

This student thing in Fallowfield is utterly irresponsible from Manchester university, a measure that was supposed to protect students from people coming onto Campus, has been so badly communicated to said students, that they felt they were being imprisoned, and felt the need to go out to protest against it, so not keeping to the social distancing rules, and risking further spread of virus.

What idiot thought that doing it before communicating it to the students was a good idea ?

 

[bluejon]

Depends when they expected to die , a year then yes, 2 weeks then no but covid will be on the certificate as a contributing factor obviously , it has to be recorded, you want it to be black and white and it isnt because of the damage it does

You could both be right but the data to answer the question "how many people who die with a positive covid diagnosis have actually died because of covid" isn't being released and this is the key problem. The public, and non-government related researchers, are completely in the dark. On one hand, the vast majority of people dying could have died because of it, on the other it's possible that the majority of those dying died from something else but had covid. Both are possible, but we don't have the data to know.

 

[kaz7]

You could both be right but the data to answer the question "how many people who die with a positive covid diagnosis have actually died because of covid" isn't being released and this is the key problem. The public, and non-government related researchers, are completely in the dark. On one hand, the vast majority of people dying could have died because of it, on the other it's possible that the majority of those dying died from something else but had covid. Both are possible, but we don't have the data to know.

That i can agree with, i have always wanted to know why the 5k were taken off , we will never know because of political fudging

 

[trumpton]

The poor guy just admitted on Twitter that with these failures (this is at least the fourth since the Summer) they once had to resort to someone e mailing case data from every place one by one and input them manually.

Nothing like high technology in 2020 is there.

Hardly surprising.

Having spent many years in Government IT you are dammed either way. You have 2 options.

1. Basic software on outdated platform costing 20 million.
2. Dogs bollocks system on latest platform costing 40 million.

What happens, option 1 would be chosen. The reason, option 2 would be deemed excessive cost, criticised in the media and hauled before the public accounts committee. Then the taxpayers moan that option 1 was a waste of money and laugh at the incompetence of the Government

 

[Healdplace]

GM scoreboard:

Manchester 401 - down from 454. Total cases 22208. Weekly 2588. Pop score up 73 to enter the 4000 club at 4017. Weekly Pop down to 468.

Wigan 340 - down from 358, Total cases 12411. Weekly 2181, Pop score up 103 to enter the 3700 club at 3776. Weekly Pop down to 663 (as high as Wigan is it was over 400 cases last week so is now 'less worse' hence its weekly Pop falls).

Bolton 259 - down from 261. Total cases 11615. Weekly 1606. Pop score up 90 to join Manchester entering the 4000 club and go above it as 3 rd worst in GM at 4039. Weekly Pop down to 558.

Oldham 240 - significant fall happily from 368. Total cases 11005. Weekly 1867. Pop score up 101 to enter the 4600 club at 4641. Only Blackburn has a worse number and may enter the 5000 club this weekend. Hopefully Oldham will not. This fall was enough to lower Oldham's Weekly Pop slightly to 787.

Rochdale 222 - up from 209. Total cases 9312/ Weekly 1423. Pop score up 100 to enter 4100 club at 4187. Weekly Pop up to 595.

Salford 219 - down from 244. Total cases 9937. Weekly 1610. Pop score up 84 to enter 3800 club at 3839. Weekly pop down to 622.

Bury 198 - up from 192 and running high again. Total cases 7326.Weekly 1157. Pop score up 104 to beat Wigan to worst rise in UK today. Into 3800 club at 3836. Weekly Pop back up into the 600s at 606.

Tameside 190 - up from 177. Total cases 7985. Weekly 1224. Pop score up 84 to enter 3500 club at 3526. Weekly Pop up to 541.

Stockport 181 - down from 182 Total cases 8091. Weekly 1246. Pop score up 61. Lowest in GM today. Enters 2700 club at 2757. Weekly Pop down to 424.

Trafford 152 - down from 154. Total cases 6946. Weekly 972. Best in GM by some distance. Pop score up 64. Lost a little ground again on Stockport in the lowest GM pop score to enter the 2900 club at 2926 and be at risk of entering the 3000 club tomorrow if it has bad day (unlikely as that is) after just 16 days in the 2000s. Weekly Pop down to 409 but lead on Stockport here has fallen from 75 to 15 as Stockport has improved this week and its gap behind Stockport in the overall Pop score rose to 169.

 

[kaz7]

Will you take a break, i worry about you

 

[Healdplace]

Some really good news to end the night on.

The North West against all expectations did NOT pass the 2890 patients in hospital at the peak of the first wave in April as it has looked certain it would do all week. And certainly in past 2 days as we were only 45 behind.

It still might in the next day or two but todays numbers actually reversed the theme on that single graph shown in todays briefing.

North West Patients

Wed - went up just 4 from 2845 to 2849. Today fell by 135 to 2714. Biggest fall in ages. Though - of course - those 100 NW deaths today were clearly part of it. Though most of the 100 were from days before yesterday. So not in these numbers.

That is only a net upward total of 139 across the last 7 days - it being 2575 last Thursday.

Which would not have matched the message the NHS doctor was making today in the briefing. So it was just as well those figures were not up to date when he spoke as the message in itself was not wrong.

Ventilators rose from 238 to 257 yesterday - but fell today to 233. That is only 20 more than the 213 last Thursday

Of course that fall of 24 today may well include some NW hospital deaths we will get in the data tomorrow


Either way the NW hospital data has been surprisingly positive this week.

 

[Healdplace]

Just a quick summary of the two days England hospital data in the other regions.

London patients rose from 990 to 1011 then fell today to 982. Ventilators rose from 145 to 152 across the days.

Midlands patients fell on both days 2154 - 2139 and to 2135 today. Ventilators fell 225 to 223 then rose 223 to 227 today. Now almost caught the NW who had by far the most ventilator patients 2/3 weeks ago but the NW increase has slowed and the other regions have caught up. The high NW death numbers obviously a factor.

North East/Yorkshire patients rose 2662 - 2673 and rose today to 2742. Biggest regional increase in UK today.

Indeed this was enough to make the NE/Yorks have the MOST in hospital with Covid overtaking the NW for the first time which has led for many weeks and not long ago by a very long way.

Whilst the NW added just 139 this past week NE/Yorks added 572.

NE/Yorks ventilators went up from 183 to 197 across the past 2 days and was 150 a week ago so is close to catching the NW here too. As is the MIdlands who are even closer.

This could be a turning point for the NW. Hopefully.

 

[Healdplace]

Will you take a break, i worry about you

Nice of you to care. I really appreciate it. But no need to worry Kaz I am off to bed.

Not usually up this late and I rarely post after tea time but numbers were very late tonight.

Have a good night.