COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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kevin horlocks wand said:
it’s bad in Italy.

China ?
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China locked down an entire nation. And it’s a big one. The numbers there are rising but nothing in comparison to the rest of the world.

Italy is different. They have the highest population of over 65s in Europe and that is skewing their figures. They had also had a nationwide bout of flu just before this thing landed, there may well have been some cross over.

Germany appear to be doing ok to, I suspect that owes to the quality of their health system.
 
BJL_City said:
we seem to need a facts thread, because this has just turned into partisan twaddle that should be in the politics sub-forum.
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Yes, this is something we’ve discussed recently. It might be worth starting a separate thread in the politics forum regarding the government’s response to Coronavirus and try to keep this one free of political arguments.
 
west didsblue said:
Seems too many people don’t understand the difference between linear and exponential growth. It should become clear within a couple of weeks.
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That's it. Deaths will go from thousands to tens of thousands within several weeks. The expected lethal outcomes in the USA alone are hundreds of thousands over the next 12 months or so.
 
Proy said:
China locked down an entire nation. And it’s a big one. The numbers there are rising but nothing in comparison to the rest of the world.

Italy is different. They have the highest population of over 65s in Europe and that is skewing their figures. They had also had a nationwide bout of flu just before this thing landed, there may well have been some cross over.

Germany appear to be doing ok to, I suspect that owes to the quality of their health system.
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so you think we should lock everyone in the nation inside for weeks on end and indeed in some cases welded into flats . That’s the response the govt should be doing here in the UK ?

Germany may have a better health system so their death rate is lower , Italy may have higher percentage of older people but what strategy are other govts employing which you would like to see here to control the spread. What are we doing so badly.
 
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urban genie said:
And that is shocking and down to underfunded services which as ypu say then bean count and you were treated badly and should have been seen to imediately

I just don't think a national newpaper editor should be advocating the death of elderly citizens because of the economical side or the arguement.
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I agree regarding newspaper editors but frankly most City supporters have little regard for their biased, loaded, fake news so it comes as no surprise how low they can sink.
Incidentally my problem happened at hospital level with a consultant who simply refuted the findings of Manchester Royal as alarmist and an interference.
Hopefully my experience is not typical of the NHS but they simply have to prioritise when demand exceeds supply and in my case I feel my age coloured his judgement.
 
Clip was from Tuesday talking about ‘herd immunity’ and ‘cocooning’ vulnerable groups (sounds better than isolating and quarantine). All week we had ‘herd immunity’ which Hancock has now said wasn’t the goal but has now talked about ‘cocooning’ for four months potentially. Scottish Health has now said

“Some confusion today. 1) there is NO PLAN to ask over 70s to completely socially isolate as with the symptomatic. 2) we are working on guidance for the over 70s to be asked to REDUCE social contact for their safety. So no bingo, no pubs…BUT family visits and neighbours etc.”

It really is about clarity of message as people interpret things differently. Reducing social contact is not quarantining nor is cocooning.

 
west didsblue said:
I am making comments based on experience and the experiences of family members, not making judgments on government policy which is why I’m qualifying my comments with “appear to”.
So stick your sarcastic comments up your arse.
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you were specifically making comments on govt policy , you said there is no clear leadership from the govt.

So tell us which country is showing the rest of the world how to get a grip on this virus?

it’s easy to criticise the govts response if you hate the govt, but it would just be nice if someone could point to another nation or nations who seem to be doing so much better a job than the uk . The chief scientist and medical officer have been impressive

and before someone says I am a Tory, the govt got it badly wrong on the flight situation allowing flights from affected areas unchecked was wrong and by now they should have made a formal announcement on public gatherings so I can be critical as well , but I expect these are doing in in the coming days.
However I still don’t see a country leading the way showing us how to control this thing.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
There is a point there though. He states that nobody seems too concerned about the flu (despite it killing thousands every year) and everybody has replied with dismissive comments about 'a bit of flu' which kind of makes his point.
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It doesn’t make his point.

The mortality rate of regular flu is about 0.1%. The mortality of coronavirus is conservatively 1% and potentially as high as 3.5%, so at least 10 times more deadly.

Also, the NHS is geared up to deal with the regular flu and can quite accurately predict the numbers and it has enough capacity to cope.

With coronavirus, it’s spreading so quickly that the major problem is the NHS does not have the capacity to deal with all of those people all at the same time.

There are only a finite amount of beds, so when they are all taken up the doctors are going to have to make decisions on who gets treated - the elderly coronavirus patient or the kid who’s got leukaemia.

The idea of Social Distancing isn’t to protect yourself from getting it if you’re fit and healthy. It’s to slow down the rate at which this spreads so that the NHS doesn’t collapse because it can’t cope with the volume of people all at one time.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
so you think we should lock everyone in the nation inside for weeks on end and indeed in some cases welded into flats . That’s the response the govt should be doing here in the UK ?

Germany may have a better health system so their death rate is lower , Italy may have higher percentage of older people but what strategy are other govts employing which you would like to see here to control the spread. What are doing so badly.
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No.

Your post asked someone to provide a nation that is controlling it and how. So I did.

My personal view is that the virus at least needs to be contained. If they want it to spread through the population to create immunity then do it, but at least stop people coming from elsewhere which could potentially make it even worse.
 
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