COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[artfuldodger]

I tend to agree with that view - you can take great care

I will have a delicate decision to make over Xmas - my 94 year old dad is due to come to visit for a couple of weeks and he lives in Shaw.

I cannot conceive that he will be left alone over Xmas

If he’s alone he can be your bubble surely. I see my 82 year old Mum, she’s not alone but my step father is also elderly. Mum has advanced cancer which has spread to her eyes. No way am I seeing her outside when she can’t see where she is going. I go in the house, and she takes the risk.

 

[Healdplace]

The numbers are higher than I was hoping for, but well within what was possible. We shall see. What I do know is that on a national basis we are currently well within the amount of expected deaths for this time of year, although I've been trying to find those numbers for the different regions and can't. I am still firmly of the opinion we have massively over-reacted to this. The young are never going to forgive what is being done to them, and I don't blame them.

Thank you. I do agree that we are probably past the point where severe lockdown will help as much as it would have done early.

And long thought we should be shielding the vulnerable and stopping the direct generational intermixing as far as possible but letting everyone determine their own balance of risk.

However, we are doing nothing to send out targeted messaging to the two very differently impacted groups and nothing to make it feasible to prevent this mixing because obviously families want to be together.

Put money into connecting families and care homes etc so that some links can be maintained between generations until we have a way to get this back to numbers we can live with - be that via a vaccine or something else.

 

[Healdplace]

The country can live with 100,000 cases. It cannot live with 1000 deaths a day.

It will kick in a reaction that might well not do much other than set the country back years.

It is high time we hade a proper national debate on this with people voting on a range of ideas perhaps via a national media campaign.

Treat it like an election, Let the nation decide the way forward after debating openly the options.

We did that endlessly over Brexit. This is way more important for the immediate future of this nation.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

The country can live with 100,000 cases. It cannot live with 1000 deaths a day.

It will kick in a reaction that might well not do much other than set the country back years.

It is high time we hade a proper national debate on this with people voting on a range of ideas perhaps via a national media campaign.

TReat it like an election, Let the nation decide the way forward after denating openly the options.

not another fucking referendum.

 

[bluejon]

not another fucking referendum.

ha ha ha ha. i was just about to post "aye, we saw how well the last one worked out"

 

[Healdplace]

Politicians will decide. But the people need a proper say. Otherwise we will bumble along following one plan after another that seems not to be well thought through until the next one is needed.

 

[kaz7]

The numbers are higher than I was hoping for, but well within what was possible. We shall see. What I do know is that on a national basis we are currently well within the amount of expected deaths for this time of year, although I've been trying to find those numbers for the different regions and can't. I am still firmly of the opinion we have massively over-reacted to this. The young are never going to forgive what is being done to them, and I don't blame them.

The young will just have to suck up like the kids did after the wars , life is not fair , shit happens to all of us

Are we well within this time of years deaths , the ONS havent said that have they ? I stand corrected if they have done

 

[kaz7]

The country can live with 100,000 cases. It cannot live with 1000 deaths a day.

It will kick in a reaction that might well not do much other than set the country back years.

It is high time we hade a proper national debate on this with people voting on a range of ideas perhaps via a national media campaign.

Treat it like an election, Let the nation decide the way forward after debating openly the options.

We did that endlessly over Brexit. This is way more important for the immediate future of this nation.

No, people are too fucking selfish

 

[Healdplace]

If people believe they have had input into the decisions being made they are far more likely to follow the rules.

A lot of the anger comes from the disconnect and being lectured to not a feeling of in this together .

 

[blue b4 the moon]

No, people are too fucking selfish

Indeed everyone has an agenda from the happy to stay at home to bar owners and nobody & I mean nobody looks at the situation objectively.

 

[ganganvince]

The young will just have to suck up like the kids did after the wars , life is not fair , shit happens to all of us

Are we well within this time of years deaths , the ONS havent said that have they ? I stand corrected if they have done

September up 2700 on 5 year average

Coronavirus not among 10 most common causes of death in September - ONS

More than a tenth of all deaths in England and nine percent in Wales were caused by the pandemic, according to the data.

news.sky.com

 

[kaz7]

September up 2700 on 5 year average

Coronavirus not among 10 most common causes of death in September - ONS

More than a tenth of all deaths in England and nine percent in Wales were caused by the pandemic, according to the data.

news.sky.com

Thanks

 

[BlueHammer85]

The country can live with 100,000 cases. It cannot live with 1000 deaths a day.

It will kick in a reaction that might well not do much other than set the country back years.

It is high time we hade a proper national debate on this with people voting on a range of ideas perhaps via a national media campaign.

Treat it like an election, Let the nation decide the way forward after debating openly the options.

We did that endlessly over Brexit. This is way more important for the immediate future of this nation.

Nooooooooooo way

 

[mosssideblue]

If people believe they have had input into the decisions being made they are far more likely to follow the rules.

A lot of the anger comes from the disconnect and being lectured to not a feeling of in this together .

I find it hard to share your optimism of those currently deliberately being non compliant.

 

[bluejon]

The young will just have to suck up like the kids did after the wars , life is not fair , shithappens to all ofus

Are we well within this time of years deaths , the ONS havent said that have they ? I stand corrected if they have done

I don't know about the ONS (the only figures I've found from them finish end of September, but up to then it was well within expected numbers, we'll probably get the updated numbers for October very soon), but PHEs most recent figures (from october 9th, so they are out of date) are showing well within expected numbers, and with the exception of Spain, Belgium and the Netherlands, it's the same all over Europe.

 

[kaz7]

'We are in a very serious situation,' Angela Merkel

German Chancellor Merkel said on Wednesday after talks with regional leaders to agree on a partial lockdown from 2 November.she said the coronavirus situation was very serious and the speed of its spread was extremely high. "We have to act, and we have to act now - to avoid a national health emergency


England should have circuit breaker 'as soon as possible' - SAGE member


At her daily briefing in Edinburgh, she said: "Please avoid car sharing unless it is essential. I've had people contacting me asking me if that is really important so let me give you this piece of information.

"According to our most recent figures, more than 1,000 people who tested positive for COVID in the previous week reported sharing a car.


A total of 78 hospital patients in Scotland who had tested positive for coronavirus were discharged into care homes from 1 March to 21 April, according to a Public Health Scotland report.

The study found that there were 3,599 discharges from hospital to a care home between 1 March and 21 April, the majority (81.9%) of which were not tested for COVID-19.

Rolling news, good source for news

Coronavirus live - latest news updates: Boris Johnson giving news conference as England goes back into lockdown

The latest news from the UK and around the world on the COVID-19 pandemic - as Boris Johnson holds a 5pm news briefing.

news.sky.com

 

[kaz7]

I don't know about the ONS (the only figures I've found from them finish end of September, but up to then it was well within expected numbers, we'll probably get the updated numbers for October very soon), but PHEs most recent figures (from october 9th, so they are out of date) are showing well within expected numbers, and with the exception of Spain, Belgium and the Netherlands, it's the same all over Europe.

Link please ? All data is out of date because of the collation time

 

[bluejon]

Link please ? All data is out of date because of the collation time

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

as for the excess deaths quoted above, nowhere in the sky article, or the ONS figures, does it provide the standard deviation of the results which is the required context to see whether or not the deaths are within normal figures. I'm sure you already know this, but for anyone who doesn't, anything within two standard deviations of the mean is considered within normal bounds. without that number the excess death figure means nothing

 

[bluejon]

anyway, on that note, i'm offski. i don't want to get dragged back into this thread, i just thought that article i posted was decent and people might enjoy reading it. sure i'll relapse at some point but hope all of you stay healthy etc, even the ones i don't agree with. we lost a close family friend last week so i know how shit this virus can be for those who get it bad.

 

[Healdplace]

It was a good day in the hospital data for the North West to cheer people up.

London up 54 to 792 (last wk 555) Ventilators up 2 to 118 (last wk 87)

Midlands up 363 to 1566 (last wk 1027) Ventilators up 30 to 171 (last wk 109)

NE & Yorks up 116 to 2077 (last wk 1401) Ventilators up 9 to 147 (last wk 113)

As you can see the Midlands has had a terrible last day or two and was only just below the NW in contributing the most hospital deaths today.

But North West

Patients up 76 to 2483. Pro rata easily the smallest increase. It was 2042 a week ago so only a 441 rise in 7 days.

This small increase takes the NW only back towards its peak by 2 days at 21 April. Still 400 behind the numbers in hospital at peak in wave one.

Ventilators DOWN 3 to 212. It was 186 last week so again the smallest increase of any region across the week. Does not alter the date when last at this number on 5 May and still some way from the 350 at peak.