Covid: Personal views

[roubaixtuesday]

IT'S NOT LOOKING GOOD FOR THE PFIZER VACCINE. FROM THE CDC; 3,150 people vaccinated in ONE DAY are "unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work" after vaccination. This is a massive 2.7% of people who can no longer work after having the Pfizer vaccine. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-19/05-COVID-CLARK.pdf Portuguese health worker, 41, dies two days after getting the Pfizer covid vaccine as her father says he 'wants answers' https://trib.al/eEWi66p Mexican doctor hospitalized after receiving COVID-19 vaccine https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-mexico-vaccines-idUSKBN2970H3 Hundreds of Israelis get infected with Covid-19 after receiving Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. https://www.rt.com/news/511332-israel-vaccination-coronavirus-pfizer/ Wife of 'perfectly healthy' Miami doctor, 56, who died of a blood disorder 16 days after getting Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine is certain it was triggered by the jab, as drug giant investigates first death with a suspected link to shot. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-weeks-receiving-Pfizer-Covid-19-vaccine.html 75-year-old Israeli man dies 2 hours after getting Covid-19 vaccine. https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/293865 Death of Swiss man after Pfizer vaccine. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-swiss-death-idUSKBN29413Y 88-year-old collapses and dies several hours after being vaccinated. https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/293952 Thousands negatively affected after getting Covid-19 vaccine. https://m.theepochtimes.com/thousan...d-after-getting-covid-19-vaccine_3625914.html Hospital worker with no prior allergies in intensive care with severe reaction after Pfizer Covid vaccine. https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/16/hosp...-allergic-reaction-to-covid-vaccine-13763695/ 4 volunteers develop FACIAL PARALYSIS after taking Pfizer Covid-19 jab, prompting FDA to recommend ‘surveillance for cases’. https://www.rt.com/usa/509081-pfizer-vaccine-fda-bells-palsy-covid/ Investigation launched as 2 people die in Norway nursing home days after receiving Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine. https://www.rt.com/news/511623-norway-covid19-vaccine-deaths/ Hundreds Sent to Emergency Room After Getting COVID-19 Vaccines https://m.theepochtimes.com/hundred...-after-getting-covid-19-vaccines_3644148.html U.S. officials report more severe allergic reactions to COVID-19 vaccines. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29B2GS NHS told not to give Covid vaccine to those with history of allergic reactions. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...extreme-allergy-sufferers-regulators-reaction COVID-19: Single vaccine dose leads to 'greater risk' from new coronavirus variants, South African experts warn news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-single-vaccine-dose-leads-to-greater-risk-from-new-coronavirus-variants-south-african-experts-warn-12180837 CDC reveals at least 21 Americans have suffered life threatening allergic reactions to Pfizer's COVID vaccine www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9119029/amp/At-21-Americans-life-threatening-anaphylaxis-receiving-Pfizers-vaccine-CDC-reveals.html Woman experiences side effects of COVID-19 vaccine www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/woman-experiences-side-effects-of-covid-19-vaccine/amp/ COVID Vaccine Side Effects More Common After 2nd Dose. www.boston.cbslocal.com/2021/01/05/covid-vaccine-side-effects-fever-reaction/amp/ Bulgaria Reports 4 Cases Of Side Effects From Pfizer Covid Vaccine. www.ndtv.com/world-news/bulgaria-reports-4-cases-of-side-effects-from-pfizer-covid-vaccine-2347667%3famp=1&akamai-rum=off Two NHS workers suffer allergic reaction to Pfizer vaccine. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...vaccine-pfizer-nhs-oxford-covid-uk-cases/amp/

I mean, there's so much attention grabbing headlines in an attempt to discredit, its hard to know where to start.

So let's just do them one at a time shall we?

First one is exactly what you'd expect from the flu like symptoms reported in the trial. Not a surprise in any way. If you agree with that, we can move on.

In the meantime, note that about a million people in the UK have had the vaccine, and zero deaths reported. By contrast, about three million have tested positive for COVID, and 80,000 odd have died.

 

[twosips]

IT'S NOT LOOKING GOOD FOR THE PFIZER VACCINE. FROM THE CDC; 3,150 people vaccinated in ONE DAY are "unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work" after vaccination. This is a massive 2.7% of people who can no longer work after having the Pfizer vaccine. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-19/05-COVID-CLARK.pdf Portuguese health worker, 41, dies two days after getting the Pfizer covid vaccine as her father says he 'wants answers' https://trib.al/eEWi66p Mexican doctor hospitalized after receiving COVID-19 vaccine https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-mexico-vaccines-idUSKBN2970H3 Hundreds of Israelis get infected with Covid-19 after receiving Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. https://www.rt.com/news/511332-israel-vaccination-coronavirus-pfizer/ Wife of 'perfectly healthy' Miami doctor, 56, who died of a blood disorder 16 days after getting Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine is certain it was triggered by the jab, as drug giant investigates first death with a suspected link to shot. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-weeks-receiving-Pfizer-Covid-19-vaccine.html 75-year-old Israeli man dies 2 hours after getting Covid-19 vaccine. https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/293865 Death of Swiss man after Pfizer vaccine. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-swiss-death-idUSKBN29413Y 88-year-old collapses and dies several hours after being vaccinated. https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/293952 Thousands negatively affected after getting Covid-19 vaccine. https://m.theepochtimes.com/thousan...d-after-getting-covid-19-vaccine_3625914.html Hospital worker with no prior allergies in intensive care with severe reaction after Pfizer Covid vaccine. https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/16/hosp...-allergic-reaction-to-covid-vaccine-13763695/ 4 volunteers develop FACIAL PARALYSIS after taking Pfizer Covid-19 jab, prompting FDA to recommend ‘surveillance for cases’. https://www.rt.com/usa/509081-pfizer-vaccine-fda-bells-palsy-covid/ Investigation launched as 2 people die in Norway nursing home days after receiving Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine. https://www.rt.com/news/511623-norway-covid19-vaccine-deaths/ Hundreds Sent to Emergency Room After Getting COVID-19 Vaccines https://m.theepochtimes.com/hundred...-after-getting-covid-19-vaccines_3644148.html U.S. officials report more severe allergic reactions to COVID-19 vaccines. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29B2GS NHS told not to give Covid vaccine to those with history of allergic reactions. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...extreme-allergy-sufferers-regulators-reaction COVID-19: Single vaccine dose leads to 'greater risk' from new coronavirus variants, South African experts warn news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-single-vaccine-dose-leads-to-greater-risk-from-new-coronavirus-variants-south-african-experts-warn-12180837 CDC reveals at least 21 Americans have suffered life threatening allergic reactions to Pfizer's COVID vaccine www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9119029/amp/At-21-Americans-life-threatening-anaphylaxis-receiving-Pfizers-vaccine-CDC-reveals.html Woman experiences side effects of COVID-19 vaccine www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/woman-experiences-side-effects-of-covid-19-vaccine/amp/ COVID Vaccine Side Effects More Common After 2nd Dose. www.boston.cbslocal.com/2021/01/05/covid-vaccine-side-effects-fever-reaction/amp/ Bulgaria Reports 4 Cases Of Side Effects From Pfizer Covid Vaccine. www.ndtv.com/world-news/bulgaria-reports-4-cases-of-side-effects-from-pfizer-covid-vaccine-2347667%3famp=1&akamai-rum=off Two NHS workers suffer allergic reaction to Pfizer vaccine. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...vaccine-pfizer-nhs-oxford-covid-uk-cases/amp/

I've gone through most of these. Bear in mind millions have been vaccinated with it now. Some quick thoughts on the various links as most repeat themselves:

- Some sadly will be real, a few deaths here and there will sadly happen, but once again - this is a miles better rate than Covid. Given it's mostly older people who have the vaccine so far, and giving a VERY (estimates are its even higher for older people) generous fatality rate of 1% for vulnerable, covid will kill 10,000 in every 1 million. Even based off all these articles, with many more vaccinations, the genuine fatality rate linked to the vaccine I'd guess is significantly, significantly lower than that. I'd be surprised if there are a 100. Even these articles don't suggest more, picking out a handful of cases. And this is based on millions of vulnerable people receiving the vaccine.
- some are expected side effects - though I guarantee the vast majority will have been fine by now. My missus' mum (early 50s, healthy, care worker) was ill for 2 days after her second dose, now totally fine. She could have gone to the paper if she wanted, and i presume someone would have written an article saying 'senior NHS cancer worker no longer fit for work after vaccine' and it'd have scared everyone, but she waited a few days cos she's sensible, now she's fine.
- some will be unfortunate coincidences - if you vaccinate millions of older people, at some point one person is gonna die of a heart attack in close proximity - people die of unexpected heart attacks all the time. Vaccine related? Possibly? Also just genuine coincidence? Equally plausible.
- some will be genuine allergic reactions. Unfortunate, yes, but it is an emergency authorisation, and there is an element of learning on the job with this sadly.
- finally, most of these are headlines that don't make sense. The Israel one about people getting Covid after they had the vaccine - the article literally says what we all know - protection isn't immediate. Takes a couple of weeks. Just a scare headline. The Bulgaria one - all are fine now.

It'll be very easy to find scare stories for this. Of course take them seriously, but don't ignore logic either. Presuming there will be no negative side at all to mass vaccinations is wrong, but is it better than the alternative? So far it seems a resounding yes in terms of potential safety. You'd rather have the vaccine than covid if you're an older person.

 

[hilts]

IT'S NOT LOOKING GOOD FOR THE PFIZER VACCINE. FROM THE CDC; 3,150 people vaccinated in ONE DAY are "unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work" after vaccination. This is a massive 2.7% of people who can no longer work after having the Pfizer vaccine. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-19/05-COVID-CLARK.pdf Portuguese health worker, 41, dies two days after getting the Pfizer covid vaccine as her father says he 'wants answers' https://trib.al/eEWi66p Mexican doctor hospitalized after receiving COVID-19 vaccine https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-mexico-vaccines-idUSKBN2970H3 Hundreds of Israelis get infected with Covid-19 after receiving Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. https://www.rt.com/news/511332-israel-vaccination-coronavirus-pfizer/ Wife of 'perfectly healthy' Miami doctor, 56, who died of a blood disorder 16 days after getting Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine is certain it was triggered by the jab, as drug giant investigates first death with a suspected link to shot. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-weeks-receiving-Pfizer-Covid-19-vaccine.html 75-year-old Israeli man dies 2 hours after getting Covid-19 vaccine. https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/293865 Death of Swiss man after Pfizer vaccine. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-swiss-death-idUSKBN29413Y 88-year-old collapses and dies several hours after being vaccinated. https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/293952 Thousands negatively affected after getting Covid-19 vaccine. https://m.theepochtimes.com/thousan...d-after-getting-covid-19-vaccine_3625914.html Hospital worker with no prior allergies in intensive care with severe reaction after Pfizer Covid vaccine. https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/16/hosp...-allergic-reaction-to-covid-vaccine-13763695/ 4 volunteers develop FACIAL PARALYSIS after taking Pfizer Covid-19 jab, prompting FDA to recommend ‘surveillance for cases’. https://www.rt.com/usa/509081-pfizer-vaccine-fda-bells-palsy-covid/ Investigation launched as 2 people die in Norway nursing home days after receiving Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine. https://www.rt.com/news/511623-norway-covid19-vaccine-deaths/ Hundreds Sent to Emergency Room After Getting COVID-19 Vaccines https://m.theepochtimes.com/hundred...-after-getting-covid-19-vaccines_3644148.html U.S. officials report more severe allergic reactions to COVID-19 vaccines. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29B2GS NHS told not to give Covid vaccine to those with history of allergic reactions. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...extreme-allergy-sufferers-regulators-reaction COVID-19: Single vaccine dose leads to 'greater risk' from new coronavirus variants, South African experts warn news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-single-vaccine-dose-leads-to-greater-risk-from-new-coronavirus-variants-south-african-experts-warn-12180837 CDC reveals at least 21 Americans have suffered life threatening allergic reactions to Pfizer's COVID vaccine www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9119029/amp/At-21-Americans-life-threatening-anaphylaxis-receiving-Pfizers-vaccine-CDC-reveals.html Woman experiences side effects of COVID-19 vaccine www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/woman-experiences-side-effects-of-covid-19-vaccine/amp/ COVID Vaccine Side Effects More Common After 2nd Dose. www.boston.cbslocal.com/2021/01/05/covid-vaccine-side-effects-fever-reaction/amp/ Bulgaria Reports 4 Cases Of Side Effects From Pfizer Covid Vaccine. www.ndtv.com/world-news/bulgaria-reports-4-cases-of-side-effects-from-pfizer-covid-vaccine-2347667%3famp=1&akamai-rum=off Two NHS workers suffer allergic reaction to Pfizer vaccine. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...vaccine-pfizer-nhs-oxford-covid-uk-cases/amp/

I hope you have done some homework before posting that, otherwise it’s a pretty daft thing to do or done as a wum.

 

[M18CTID]

You don’t need to be a conspiracy theorist to be concerned with measures that harsh.

I agree mate - you don’t. But I’m referring to those who are conspiracy theorists and who have been banging on all along that all this is a plot to control us, so when we’ve had a situation where stricter rules have come in, ie: the latest lockdown or London jumping from tier 2 to tier 4 in one fell swoop, the nutjobs then jump on it with the old “See! I told you it was all about control”

 

[M18CTID]

I doubt there’s a single country out there with more lax restrictions than here. And still the snowflakes bleat about it. If we’d have been hard on it in the first place we’d not be where we are now.

Bang on mate. Earlier today, I had it out with one about this but it’s like banging your head against a brick wall

 

[Ban-jani]

I agree mate - you don’t. But I’m referring to those who are conspiracy theorists and who have been banging on all along that all this is a plot to control us, so when we’ve had a situation where stricter rules have come in, ie: the latest lockdown or London jumping from tier 2 to tier 4 in one fell swoop, the nutjobs then jump on it with the old “See! I told you it was all about control”

Well yeah, I try and ignore those people. The government cannot even control its own advisers, never mind the general public.

The worry isn’t totalitarianism, it’s actually anarchy, as our idiot cousins across the pond have proven this week.

 

[Blue Llama]

I am still waiting for a conspiracy theorist to explain how you can keep a conspiracy secret when you need all staff at every hospital in the world to keep stum. Arrange for all Governments despite political differences to agree to cooperate. And finally to explain how you do that and what they would gain from the conspiracy.

 

[Ban-jani]

I am still waiting for a conspiracy theorist to explain how you can keep a conspiracy secret when you need all staff at every hospital in the world to keep stum. Arrange for all Governments despite political differences to agree to cooperate. And finally to explain how you do that and what they would gain from the conspiracy.

Those people putting themselves into comas and dying for the cause of the conspiracy too.

 

[M18CTID]

I am still waiting for a conspiracy theorist to explain how you can keep a conspiracy secret when you need all staff at every hospital in the world to keep stum. Arrange for all Governments despite political differences to agree to cooperate. And finally to explain how you do that and what they would gain from the conspiracy.

Funny you should say that because I’m waiting for those exact same answers too! Just to back up one of your points, the NHS employs a whopping 1.4 million people. The notion that so many would be in on such a scam is beyond comprehension. There’s about as much chance of the earth being flat after all, ie: no chance

 

[M18CTID]

Well yeah, I try and ignore those people. The government cannot even control its own advisers, never mind the general public.

The worry isn’t totalitarianism, it’s actually anarchy, as our idiot cousins across the pond have proven this week.

Hmmmm....well I suppose everyone is pissed off now to some extent, not just the conspiracy theorists, and when the government keep flip-flopping the way they have and continue to do so, even the most law-abiding mild mannered people will start to get annoyed.