Criticism of Pep

[GortonBlue62]

So who is the better manager we need to get for that to happen in your opinion ?

That's the problem isn't it. Whenever you want to get rid of your current manager you need to ask who next?

I don't know, but we probably have to decide quickly because unless Pep commits beyond the end of 2020-21 we need to make a decision.

He's earned the right to continue and take up the challenge posed by Klopp, but we always have the right to criticise him, and the league position indicates that the criticism isn't unreasonable.

If he doesn't want to commit then we need to know sooner rather than later.

We face a dilemma in that the whole of the project so far was to 'get Pep'.
So do we persist with this possession based approach or do we change direction?
Any new manager will inherit a brilliant squad and will be given the resources to succeed.
We are not little City anymore, we will thrive with or without Pep and that's all that matters.

 

[GortonBlue62]

That’s not a trend. Which club stays at the top every season?

Seems like a trend to me. Three years with 2 clubs swapping places in terms of league achievements.

 

[mexico1970]

You're not alone but you are wrong. UEFA Champions League eclipses the domestic league title. I would settle for domestic dominance but unfortunately we are 19 points behind the current leaders and it's not even February yet.

We can't win the league every year it's a tough league but we've smashed it out of the park, I'm not wrong bud don't be so arrogant (I mean that not in a bad way) our own cups have more tradition than any of these fly by night re-made re-processed frankensteins, tradition first made up stuff second.

 

[duckandive]

I seem to be reading more and more anti or negative pep posts on this forum.

Careful what you wish for blues.

Genius is not common

It's a combined attempt by the British media (bbc, sky, bt, tabloids) to undermine MCFC, any chance they get to report any negative facts about our club are twisted to suit there cause , it's because Sheik Mansours business acumen has destroyed the old guard of English football . There are numerous examples I could give you , Fulham crowd, Peps opinion, numerous negative commentary mentions about any match we have ever lost not scored or not qualified and that's only this week ,but don't worry I've been a City fan over 50 years it has never been better than it is today. the blue juggernaut is still rolling forward collecting trophies along the way. keep the faith and get behind it.

 

[blueparrot]

Ferguson took about 11 years to win his first CL trophy, I don’t think you’ll find a single Utd fan that would wind back the hands of time to swap that stat for what he achieved leading up to the point... I’m quite happy to wait quite a few more years before pep finds the key to the CL.

if we’re going to go down that road though then we might as well just only look at Ancelotti and Zidane , as I think they are the only managers who have won it more times than pep

Look at chelsea, if I remember 2 c/l finals one with Avram Grant one with Matteo. Ask Chelsea fans for their best managers neither would feature. Best managers win leagues not cups however prestigious, because you need the breaks to go for you in cups.

 

[domalino]

Peps game plan fuck the defense.

Simply out score all the opposition.

Sometimes I'm genuinely gobsmacked that some people have had 4 years of Guardiola's football played out in front of them, and clearly haven't got a clue what they've been looking at.

If you think Guardiola doesn't care about the defence then you're tragically or wilfully blind.

 

[Marvin]

If it was one game I'd agree with you.
It isn't Pep's fault that Aguero missed that penalty in the CL QF first leg, and there are many other examples.
But his performance as a manager in the last 6 seasons' CL campaigns indicate the pattern I suggested; he currently (6 years) isn't cutting it at the highest level.

I also agree with you that League performance is the best barometer of a teams worth.
But I'd point out that it's still January and we are 19 points off the top of the Premier League.
Two season ago there was one outstanding PL team (City), last season there were two (City and Liverpool), this season there is one (Liverpool).
The trend is obvious and worrying.

There are reasons which are to an extent outside the manager's control as to why we have slipped in the league this season.

Pep is the best. he may not be perfect.

Overall I think Pep's style of play is very beneficial for the club although we might at times suffer for it in one off games. I don't think it's true to say though that Pep is not able to make tactical changes for games.

I think you also need to look at the Spurs and Liverpool games as one offs. City weren't able to play as we normally do in the 1st leg at Spurs because of the league title fight so we played conservatively. Refereeing dominated both games and yet you are prepared to generalise from them?

Pep's record is outstanding at all his clubs.

You are trying to make a trend out of one seasons dip when injury to Laporte and other issues such as losing Kompany, winning two titles back to back, Silva and Fernandinho aging etc are all probably significant factors.

The best modern manager was Ferguson. He didn't win the title every season. You'd have fired him after his first failure to defend a title.

 

[eastmanc]

That's the problem isn't it. Whenever you want to get rid of your current manager you need to ask who next?

I don't know, but we probably have to decide quickly because unless Pep commits beyond the end of 2020-21 we need to make a decision.

He's earned the right to continue and take up the challenge posed by Klopp, but we always have the right to criticise him, and the league position indicates that the criticism isn't unreasonable.

If he doesn't want to commit then we need to know sooner rather than later.

We face a dilemma in that the whole of the project so far was to 'get Pep'.
So do we persist with this possession based approach or do we change direction?
Any new manager will inherit a brilliant squad and will be given the resources to succeed.
We are not little City anymore, we will thrive with or without Pep and that's all that matters.

We were possession based under Machini and under Pellers, the players we have had over the last ten years demand that we pass the ball, Pep just took it to another level by playing out from the back more. We will continue to be a possession based team even after Pep.

 

[GortonBlue62]

Look at chelsea, if I remember 2 c/l finals one with Avram Grant one with Matteo. Ask Chelsea fans for ther best managers neither would feature. Best managers win leagues not cups however prestigious, because you need the breaks to go for you in cups.

We've been in the Champions League for 9 consecutive seasons and reached 1 semi final.

That's a pattern of failure and Pep (as yet) hasn't taken us to new (higher) level in the most prestigious club competition in the world.

Hate being wrong about anything, but I'd love to be wrong about this.

Come on Pep, sort it out.

 

[asahartford1]

Pep, like all managers will be judged solely on his results.

We are no closer to winning the Champions League now than we were when he arrived.

I would honestly love to be wrong (because it would mean we are European Champions) but there is a mounting body of evidence (3 years at Bayern and 3 years here) that his emphasis on the process of playing football rather than ruthless efficiency is not effective at the highest level.

If he delivers great, if he doesn't, he goes. Our owners want the Champions League and so do many of our fans.

Too many sentimental people on here defending him. City first, Pep a distant second.

Too many people living in the recent past. Thanks for the last 2 years Pep, now deliver.

I believe you have been sold the media mantra, "Win the CL or be a failure "

I want to watch the brilliant football I have seen since he arrived, I understand that you and others would rather play youth sides in the FA and League Cup, and perhaps not try now in the League if that maximises the chance of CL glory.
Pep is a competitor and winner, and would not do that. I believe he is a genius on the edge of madness probably.
As regards the owners, the media has sold you a kipper. What they want is to become a major player in World football over time. It is a long term investment, they do not care about the CL this year or next, that is small fry, they want to maximise returns over 50, 60 years. It is not a game for these people , rather a deadly serious business.

Some people still think a CL is the ultimate goal, it isnt.