Dani Alves

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Thinking more about this, it's a bad idea to get Alves. Yes at times he looked good when we seen him in the CL... but as his age would the physicality and the frantic pace of the PL be good for him or us? No matter what anyone says, the PL is a whole different ball game compared to Serie A.
 
Armaan said:
Thinking more about this, it's a bad idea to get Alves. Yes at times he looked good when we seen him in the CL... but as his age would the physicality and the frantic pace of the PL be good for him or us? No matter what anyone says, the PL is a whole different ball game compared to Serie A.
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thats my concern as well mate....Juve not putting up a fight to keep him either!
 
Tolmie is just like the rest of us in that he makes educated guesses and some of them turn out to be true. I trust the bookies a lot more as they aggregate more inside sources and quantify the chances of it happening with data.

At 3/10, this transfer seems to be almost certain. It's a great signing, Alves was arguably the best right wing-back in the world this season. People doubting that he could adapt to the CL clearly didn't watch Juventus this season — his pace, hard tackling and composure are all excellent. Not only would he improve our team instantly, he'd provide winning experience and leadership to the younger players. I've read that we're still interested in Walker, so it's not like we're just giving up on solving the position for the long term. Getting a world-class full-back who Pep knows and trusts for as little as 5m is an obviously good decision.
 
aguerooo93 said:
Tolmie is just like the rest of us in that he makes educated guesses and some of them turn out to be true. I trust the bookies a lot more as they aggregate more inside sources and quantify the chances of it happening with data.

At 3/10, this transfer seems to be almost certain. It's a great signing, Alves was arguably the best right wing-back in the world this season. People doubting him clearly didn't watch Juventus this season. Not only would he improve our team instantly, he'd provide winning experience and leadership to the younger players. I've read that we're still interested in Walker, so it's not like we're just giving up on solving the position for the long term. Getting a world-class full-back who Pep knows and trusts for as little as 5m is an obviously good decision.
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I agree with what you said about Tolmie but get ready for a ton of abuse to come your way for saying that lol.
 
Armaan said:
Thinking more about this, it's a bad idea to get Alves. Yes at times he looked good when we seen him in the CL... but as his age would the physicality and the frantic pace of the PL be good for him or us? No matter what anyone says, the PL is a whole different ball game compared to Serie A.
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If you havent listened to the podcast yet from 93:20 http://ninetythreetwenty.com/podcasts/transfer-talk-iv/ good talk about Alves from hunter :)
 
aguerooo93 said:
Tolmie is just like the rest of us in that he makes educated guesses and some of them turn out to be true. I trust the bookies a lot more as they aggregate more inside sources and quantify the chances of it happening with data.

At 3/10, this transfer seems to be almost certain. It's a great signing, Alves was arguably the best right wing-back in the world this season. People doubting that he could adapt to the CL clearly didn't watch Juventus this season — his pace, hard tackling and composure are all excellent. Not only would he improve our team instantly, he'd provide winning experience and leadership to the younger players. I've read that we're still interested in Walker, so it's not like we're just giving up on solving the position for the long term. Getting a world-class full-back who Pep knows and trusts for as little as 5m is an obviously good decision.
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Its looking like it will be free transfer, not £5m according to reports in Italy. Makes it even better
 
Seems like One or Two not keen on Alves, if your of that opinion, can you name a suitable alternative who we can sign on a free or very small fee?
 
oakiecokie said:
Do you ever have anything positive to say FFS ?
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I didn't say I was against signing him. Actually, it could be a good move, provided that the wages are reasonable and it's a one year contract (possibly with an option to extend).

That positive enough for you?
 
Look he's knows all the tricks good and bad, multiple winner, knows Pep and his demands, still looks as fit as a butchers dog and is one of the top right backs out there and coupled with a fee of next to fuck all it's a no brainer.
 
Was happy to sign Alves before listening to podcast. More so now.

Alves ability, football intelligence & leadership skills will be invaluable.

Walker will have his work cut out being the first choice right back. Rotation, rotation, rotation.
 
discopop said:
Look he's knows all the tricks good and bad, multiple winner, knows Pep and his demands, still looks as fit as a butchers dog and is one of the top right backs out there and coupled with a fee of next to fuck all it's a no brainer.
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yup. with a younger back-up to fill his shoes in two years (or to put faith in Maffeo), it would be a perfect solution to this position. Unfortunately, I don't think fixing the left-back issue will be as straight-forward
 
It is a shame that some people cannot see exactly what Alves brings to the table. Not only is he still a top class footballer with a good few years still left in him, he also has something that our squad, Yaya aside, sorely lacks and that's an elite winning mentality.

IMO, I think that this squad of players has underachieved over the last six seasons. It's easy to point as the two LCs and PL titles and say that's a job well done, however, we have never really exerted our dominance on the PL. It's no coincidence that both our PL titles have been won with us 'playing catch-up' or 'coming back from the brink' rather than winning with games to spare like United have done throughout the PL era or Chelsea have recently done.

We are a team of top class footballers who lack that ruthless edge to be an outstanding side. Then again it is no real coincidence when you consider the players we have. None of them apart from Yaya has that experience of playing for a side who is expected to win every game. The likes of Vinny, Kun, Silva, KDB etc were all signed from decent sides but not elite sides. You put them into a Barca, Bayern, Madrid or dare a say it, a United under Taggart, and they would quickly adapt to that winning environment. Yet we haven't seemed to have grasped that yet.

Pep has alluded to the lack of a winning mentality throughout the season and the only way to breed that is through winning or bringing in serial winners. If you want to see the impact that these sort of players can have on a side then just look at the FA cup semi-final. Only one City player refused to admit defeat, only one player was dragging this team by the scruff of the neck and that was a 34 year old Yaya.

The young players need to learn that and having the likes of Toure, Dani Alves and possibly Sanchez will quickly promote this and lift the whole squad.
 
domalino said:
Karen's getting annoyed so before we're actually made to stop by the mods I'll just say this;

You complain Alves on his own wasn't enough, you were told he wouldn't be the only signing.


You complained Tolmie & Sam Lee said we'd sign no defenders. That was pointed out to be false, he said no CB, and has maintained we'd sign 3 fullbacks.

You said it was a disaster to sign Alves first and how it meant the other deals were failing, and people told you deals happen at different speeds for loads of reason.

The reason people stopped arguing with you is because unlike me, they are happy to just leave the idiot throwing his own faces around alone. For some reason, I engaged, which was my mistake, even though you constantly changed the goalposts, ("There were no injuries for Bayern vs. Atletico!, Oh there were? Well it doesn't matter!"), and none of your arguments actually lead anywhere because they're based on the complete nonsense that Alves will be the only defender we sign.

However, I am learning my lesson now. I won't engage, I'll just set you to ignore, and maybe someone else will engage you next time, or perhaps they'll just let you be, and ignore you're deranged ramblings.
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Karen's a mod???

Wow, this place really has hit a new low...
 
daztrueblue91 said:
It is a shame that some people cannot see exactly what Alves brings to the table. Not only is he still a top class footballer with a good few years still left in him, he also has something that our squad, Yaya aside, sorely lacks and that's an elite winning mentality.

IMO, I think that this squad of players has underachieved over the last six seasons. It's easy to point as the two LCs and PL titles and say that's a job well done, however, we have never really exerted our dominance on the PL. It's no coincidence that both our PL titles have been won with us 'playing catch-up' or 'coming back from the brink' rather than winning with games to spare like United have done throughout the PL era or Chelsea have recently done.

We are a team of top class footballers who lack that ruthless edge to be an outstanding side. Then again it is no real coincidence when you consider the players we have. None of them apart from Yaya has that experience of playing for a side who is expected to win every game. The likes of Vinny, Kun, Silva, KDB etc were all signed from decent sides but not elite sides. You put them into a Barca, Bayern, Madrid or dare a say it, a United under Taggart, and they would quickly adapt to that winning environment. Yet we haven't seemed to have grasped that yet.

Pep has alluded to the lack of a winning mentality throughout the season and the only way to breed that is through winning or bringing in serial winners. If you want to see the impact that these sort of players can have on a side then just look at the FA cup semi-final. Only one City player refused to admit defeat, only one player was dragging this team by the scruff of the neck and that was a 34 year old Yaya.

The young players need to learn that and having the likes of Toure, Dani Alves and possibly Sanchez will quickly promote this and lift the whole squad.
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Very good point
 
leewill31 said:
If you havent listened to the podcast yet from 93:20 http://ninetythreetwenty.com/podcasts/transfer-talk-iv/ good talk about Alves from hunter :)
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At they end they talk about the type of player Pep will want,
1. Undoubtably able to play his style
2. Mentally strong and determined pure winners

Makes me think of Sanchez and Alves but also that Kimmich rumour and did someone mention Pepe?

PS. Funny at the very end - blablabla in Spanish.. then Merci beacoup oops :-)
 
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