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domalino said:
That's a perfectly fine stance to take, but if the club take that stance then lets cut the bullshit about how the academy matters, and how HRH wants academy players in the team.

Because as discussed previously in this thread, No one's good enough to go straight into a team at the top of world football. Even Iniesta spent 3 years picking up sub appearances before he was deemed good enough to start, players just don't arrive pre-packaged and ready to be world class out of an academy, or out of some relegation la liga candidate feeder club.

And if there's no sentiment, then why is Khaldoon talking about wanting Mancunian, local lads in the team? Either there's sentiment and you want to invest in making these local lads good enough by taking a chance on them or you don't give a fuck where they players come from.

If you expect Messi 2.0 to come from Moss side and force his way into the team because he's world class at 17 then perhaps thats the message the chairman should be giving out.
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Have you ever just thought that Pep doesn't rate Maffeo?
 
domalino said:
Miraculous how Spurs managed to use players like Harry Winks and Onomah (no loans) in this league while finishing above us then.
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Because they actually took care of business against smaller teams instead of dicking about like we did.
 
Give over some of you, if they are good enough they will be in the best 22.
If not they will leave eventually.. see rekik, boyata and denayer.

All supposedly world class young centre backs..
 
Just to break this down imo:

The academy is currently a cash cow.

It's that way because we are not yet ready to integrate youth.

We will be ready. No question. The academy DOES matter.

If you are currently at around age 17/18 In the EDS, you will be playing your football elsewhere.

If your 13/14, you will have a much better chance.
domalino said:
Miraculous how Spurs managed to use players like Harry Winks and Onomah (no loans) in this league while finishing above us then.
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And have won fuck all. Totally different mentality at Spurs. Move their better players to line levys back fucking pockets
 
City_Sean said:
Have you ever just thought that Pep doesn't rate Maffeo?
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I have, and then I asked myself why would the manager go out of his way to lie in press conferences about how good Maffeo is and how he just needs a bit of experience (which he went out and got) to get his chance.
 
Proy said:
Just to break this down imo:

The academy is currently a cash cow.

It's that way because we are not yet ready to integrate youth.

We will be ready. No question. The academy DOES matter.

If you are currently at around age 17/18 In the EDS, you will be playing your football elsewhere.

If your 13/14, you will have a much better chance.


And have won fuck all. Totally different mentality at Spurs. Move their better players to line levys back fucking pockets
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Lets really break it down.

The academy is a cash cow which doesn't make much money.

The promises of academy integration were false.

We will never be ready because "ready" is an idealised world where we're not struggling to win trophies, and there's no risk in using kids.

The next crop of youngsters will always be "the one", until they're not.


If people were upfront about that we could all get on with our lives and get excited when a player like Danilo arrives, it's the constant "we're desperate to use kids, just as long as they're world class and worth £50m at 18 before we trust them in a cup game" that's annoys people like myself, and (I think) @Neville Kneville
 
domalino said:
I have, and then I asked myself why would the manager go out of his way to lie in press conferences about how good Maffeo is and how he just needs a bit of experience (which he went out and got) to get his chance.
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But he's still really young. KW and Danilo are 26-27. That's their peak. Any team demanding to be the best team in the works needs players playing at or near their peak. Some freaks can do that at 19. Most can't.
 
domalino said:
I have, and then I asked myself why would the manager go out of his way to lie in press conferences about how good Maffeo is and how he just needs a bit of experience (which he went out and got) to get his chance.
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in a 2nd tier league ,I really hope our first 11 is all home grown mancunians , but until they can show they can hold their own on a consistent basis against better players week in week out we don't have the luxury to gamble
 
peace frog said:
in a 2nd tier league ,I really hope our first 11 is all home grown mancunians , but until they can show they can hold their own on a consistent basis against better players week in week out we don't have the luxury to gamble
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He was told, or rather Guardiola said, he needed experience comparable to La Masia players in Barcelona B, who play in the 3rd division of Spanish football.

Please tell me again how getting promoted in the 2nd division is not comparable to that?
 
But back to the matter at hand...

Danilo seems class in his highlight videos, dya reckon the only reason hes being labelled a flop at real is cause Carvajal is the best RB on the planet?

Im just struggling to understand Pep's logic here...
 
domalino said:
Lets really break it down.

The academy is a cash cow which doesn't make much money.

The promises of academy integration were false.

We will never be ready because "ready" is an idealised world where we're not struggling to win trophies, and there's no risk in using kids.

The next crop of youngsters will always be "the one", until they're not.


If people were upfront about that we could all get on with our lives and get excited when a player like Danilo arrives, it's the constant "we're desperate to use kids, just as long as they're world class and worth £50m at 18" that's annoys people like myself, and (I think) @Neville Kneville
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That is not really fair. Both our first team and our academy are developing at the same time. The Academy will always be behind the first team in development until the first team reaches a plateau. If every season the quality of the 1st team improves by 15% kids in the academy who WERE good academy kids relative to our first team's place in world football no longer are good enough relative to the first team. Thus the next crop comes through and because of the Academy progress and our 1st team progress we get better kids and thus those kids statistically have a better chance of making it. Until of course the first team improves again. Once the first team has stability (I personally believe we are on the cusp of that and would not have said that any other summer since the takeover) I expect more kids to come through.

It may not work, but that is the issue IMO.
 
domalino said:
He was told, or rather Guardiola said, he needed experience comparable to La Masia players in Barcelona B, who play in the 3rd division of Spanish football.

Please tell me again how getting promoted in the 2nd division is not comparable to that?
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Now Guardiola thinks he needs a season in La Liga. he obviously didn't show quite enough in his time in the 2nd division, what do you see Pep doesn't.
 
blueparrot said:
Now Guardiola thinks he needs a season in La Liga. he obviously didn't show quite enough in his time in the 2nd division, what do you see Pep doesn't.
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Not to mention he'll get tested by some of the best players in the world, if he gets into the first team
 
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