David Conn on Abu Dhabi and Human Rights

geoff clipp said:
david conn on usmanov <a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/news/2007/sep/26/topstories3.mainsection?guni=Article:in%20body%20link" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/news/2007/se ... ody%20link</a>

david conn on liverpool's blighting of anfield area
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jun/24/liverpool-houses-landlord" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... s-landlord</a>

david conn on the glazers
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2012/jul/04/manchester-united-glazers-shares-debt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... hares-debt</a>

david conn on abramovich
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports-breakfast/130702/conn-abramovichs-ten-years-chelsea-owner-200759" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports ... ner-200759</a>


This isn't a vendetta against us and whilst I've enjoyed our success these past few years, I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel uncomfortable about where our money has come from. All fans with this kind of ownership should.

Why in the world would be uncomfortable ? If it's one thing you should be grateful for everything they have done so far for the club.
 
Skashion said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
That's a nonsensical position in many ways. Sheikh Mansour is part of the Abu Dhabi/UAE establishment. Of course he didn't beat or mistreat prisoners himself but he is part of the regime which does. You cannot deny that.

I've no problem with Abu Dhabi not being particularly democratic as I think that the Western model is not necessarily appropriate for all countries at a given point in time (if ever). But you of all people, one of the most politically aware posters on here, should be able to separate your love for City from justified criticism of human rights issues.

ADUG are very sensitive about bad press. Hopefully something like this will shock them into corrective action and doing the right thing. Surely that's something you should be supporting?
It isn't remotely nonsensical. I have a firm belief in individual responsibility. There are people at Nuremberg who walked free, and rightly so. Being part of a regime should not establish someone's individual guilt. If Sheikh Mansour did not personally order or sanction human rights abuses, there's no reason to concern us.

You are deploying a straw man. You're saying saying I should separate love of club and I should support criticism of the UAE's human rights record. I DO. The criticism is perfectly valid but why shoe-horn us in, why talk about Mubarak accompanying Sheikh Mohammed in discussing military cooperation. What does this have to do with human rights in the UAE? Absolutely fuck all. It is spurious journalistic opportunism. Our club, should not be considered guilty by association, and nor should Mansour.

But he is part of the ruling government and so has a say in policy. Neither you nor I know what his personal views are but generally government ministers are assumed to have a collective responsibility on such matters.
 
in the west what the government has done would be labelled justice and compared to their neighbours Qatar who wan to run a world cup, have everyone shift everything around for them to ensure the health of players and fans alike, except that their doctors leave a footballer to die from appendicitis. Fills you with optimism doesn't it?

Don't see any of them being attacked for what they've done wrong.
 
The UAE is seen as a model nation by youth in the Middle East. The fourth ASDA’A Burson-Marsteller Arab Youth Survey 2012, results of which were released in Dubai on Wednesday, revealed that when Arab youth look across the region and the world, they see the UAE as the country where they would most like to live —and as the country they would most like their own nation to emulate.

The findings were based on 2,500 face-to-face interviews with Arabs between the ages of 18-24 conducted by international polling firm Penn Schoen Berland (PSB) in 12 Middle Eastern countries in December 2011 and January 2012.

When asked which country in the world they would most like their own country to be like, the UAE was the top choice among Arab youth, named by 40 per cent of respondents, followed by Turkey (28 per cent), Saudi Arabia (18 per cent) and Qatar (16 per cent).

When young people in the region were asked which country they would most like to live in, the UAE again topped with 33 per cent, followed by France (17 per cent), the United States and Turkey (16 per cent each) and Saudi Arabia (14 per cent).

Among all the countries surveyed for determining the popularity of the UAE as a destination to set up residence, at top position were Lebanese youth with 43 per cent of them opting for the UAE as their first choice, followed by 38 per cent of Egyptian youngsters. Egyptian youth were also strongly attracted to the idea of living in Saudi Arabia (28 per cent) and Turkey (28 per cent).

When asked which country’s model of growth and development would they most like their country to follow, the UAE was once again the first choice, with 27 per cent of Arab youth opting for the UAE. Among countries, 36 per cent of Libyan youth felt that the UAE had the best model of growth and development.

The popularity of the UAE is reflective of the Emirati youth, who the survey revealed were the most positive among youth in all nations surveyed when it comes to confidence in their nation’s ability to compete internationally. Eighty-four per cent of young people in the UAE were confident of their country’s ability to compete on the world stage.

The survey revealed that the Arab youth were more concerned about personal issues like being paid a fair wage, the rising cost of living and the price of home ownership than being part of a democracy.

Being paid a fair wage was not only the highest collective priority among those surveyed — with 82 per cent of all Arab youth citing it as “very important” — but was also the highest individual priority in each of the 12 countries covered. About 63 per cent of Arab youth said that they were “very concerned” about the cost of living, up from 57 per cent last year.

On the contrary, the percentage of respondents who said that living in a democratic country was “very important” to them declined by 10 percentage points in the 2012 survey. This year, 58 per cent of Arab youth said that this is “very important” to them, down from 68 per cent in 2011. However, 72 per cent of Middle East youth agreed that, following the events of the Arab Spring, the region is better off today.

Nearly three-quarters of Middle East youth believe their governments have become more trustworthy and transparent since the events of the Arab Spring. However, at the same time, concerns about corruption have skyrocketed.

A majority of young people in every Middle Eastern country agreed that traditional values are paramount. However, the percentage of youth who say that such values are outdated and need to be replaced continued to increase.



The findings also indicated that reading or writing blogs is the top online activity among young people in the region, with 61 per cent saying they engaged with blogs, up from only 29 per cent in 2011.
 
Hmmm, where has our owners money come from. Oh yeah, oil and zillions of
the stuff aswell. Good timing from Conn again, as a new season is about
to start. I'm sure the Mail will be loving this story, and I fully expect to see
it online very soon with hundreds of rags, gooners, and scousers going wild.
 
geoff clipp said:
david conn on usmanov <a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/news/2007/sep/26/topstories3.mainsection?guni=Article:in%20body%20link" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/news/2007/se ... ody%20link</a>

david conn on liverpool's blighting of anfield area
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jun/24/liverpool-houses-landlord" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... s-landlord</a>

david conn on the glazers
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2012/jul/04/manchester-united-glazers-shares-debt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... hares-debt</a>

david conn on abramovich
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports-breakfast/130702/conn-abramovichs-ten-years-chelsea-owner-200759" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports ... ner-200759</a>


This isn't a vendetta against us and whilst I've enjoyed our success these past few years, I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel uncomfortable about where our money has come from. All fans with this kind of ownership should.
Don't tell me how I should feel.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
geoff clipp said:
david conn on usmanov <a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/news/2007/sep/26/topstories3.mainsection?guni=Article:in%20body%20link" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/news/2007/se ... ody%20link</a>

david conn on liverpool's blighting of anfield area
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jun/24/liverpool-houses-landlord" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... s-landlord</a>

david conn on the glazers
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2012/jul/04/manchester-united-glazers-shares-debt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... hares-debt</a>

david conn on abramovich
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports-breakfast/130702/conn-abramovichs-ten-years-chelsea-owner-200759" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports ... ner-200759</a>


This isn't a vendetta against us and whilst I've enjoyed our success these past few years, I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel uncomfortable about where our money has come from. All fans with this kind of ownership should.
Don't tell me how I should feel.
I won't.
 

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