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Is that you rascal?malg said:Fuck.....I'd better hand my season ticket back.
Is that you rascal?malg said:Fuck.....I'd better hand my season ticket back.
geoff clipp said:david conn on usmanov <a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/news/2007/sep/26/topstories3.mainsection?guni=Article:in%20body%20link" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/news/2007/se ... ody%20link</a>
david conn on liverpool's blighting of anfield area
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jun/24/liverpool-houses-landlord" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... s-landlord</a>
david conn on the glazers
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2012/jul/04/manchester-united-glazers-shares-debt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... hares-debt</a>
david conn on abramovich
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports-breakfast/130702/conn-abramovichs-ten-years-chelsea-owner-200759" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports ... ner-200759</a>
This isn't a vendetta against us and whilst I've enjoyed our success these past few years, I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel uncomfortable about where our money has come from. All fans with this kind of ownership should.
Skashion said:It isn't remotely nonsensical. I have a firm belief in individual responsibility. There are people at Nuremberg who walked free, and rightly so. Being part of a regime should not establish someone's individual guilt. If Sheikh Mansour did not personally order or sanction human rights abuses, there's no reason to concern us.Prestwich_Blue said:That's a nonsensical position in many ways. Sheikh Mansour is part of the Abu Dhabi/UAE establishment. Of course he didn't beat or mistreat prisoners himself but he is part of the regime which does. You cannot deny that.
I've no problem with Abu Dhabi not being particularly democratic as I think that the Western model is not necessarily appropriate for all countries at a given point in time (if ever). But you of all people, one of the most politically aware posters on here, should be able to separate your love for City from justified criticism of human rights issues.
ADUG are very sensitive about bad press. Hopefully something like this will shock them into corrective action and doing the right thing. Surely that's something you should be supporting?
You are deploying a straw man. You're saying saying I should separate love of club and I should support criticism of the UAE's human rights record. I DO. The criticism is perfectly valid but why shoe-horn us in, why talk about Mubarak accompanying Sheikh Mohammed in discussing military cooperation. What does this have to do with human rights in the UAE? Absolutely fuck all. It is spurious journalistic opportunism. Our club, should not be considered guilty by association, and nor should Mansour.
Don't tell me how I should feel.geoff clipp said:david conn on usmanov <a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/news/2007/sep/26/topstories3.mainsection?guni=Article:in%20body%20link" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/news/2007/se ... ody%20link</a>
david conn on liverpool's blighting of anfield area
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jun/24/liverpool-houses-landlord" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... s-landlord</a>
david conn on the glazers
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2012/jul/04/manchester-united-glazers-shares-debt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... hares-debt</a>
david conn on abramovich
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports-breakfast/130702/conn-abramovichs-ten-years-chelsea-owner-200759" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports ... ner-200759</a>
This isn't a vendetta against us and whilst I've enjoyed our success these past few years, I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel uncomfortable about where our money has come from. All fans with this kind of ownership should.
I won't.gordondaviesmoustache said:Don't tell me how I should feel.geoff clipp said:david conn on usmanov <a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/news/2007/sep/26/topstories3.mainsection?guni=Article:in%20body%20link" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/news/2007/se ... ody%20link</a>
david conn on liverpool's blighting of anfield area
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jun/24/liverpool-houses-landlord" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... s-landlord</a>
david conn on the glazers
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2012/jul/04/manchester-united-glazers-shares-debt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... hares-debt</a>
david conn on abramovich
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports-breakfast/130702/conn-abramovichs-ten-years-chelsea-owner-200759" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports ... ner-200759</a>
This isn't a vendetta against us and whilst I've enjoyed our success these past few years, I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel uncomfortable about where our money has come from. All fans with this kind of ownership should.