johnny crossan
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True. It's maybe easier to regard oneself as a "fortuitous concourse of atoms" and give the God delusion a miss.
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Marklr
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We have to establish what a "god" is before we can consider it to be real or not. Nobody can even do that. All we have are various contradicting claims from silly books and silly people.True. It's maybe easier to regards oneself as a "fortuitous concourse of atoms" and give the God delusion a miss.
johnny crossan
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I'll keep those smoky mirrors ;-) If you think we are all accidents on a random rock with our only significance deriving from a few invented connections to previous meaningless events, fair enough.i'm open minded to creation mate, but the least plausible is the one you present and that is my issue.
you are entirely convinced that it is the truth, but through indoctrination (you may say not, another debate another day) you are unable to think otherwise so whenever you say thus i will challenge you, that's the nature of reasoning
the mere fact you allude to its not easy to prove such tells me smoke and mirrors are at play again
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A delightfully ambiguous response!Oh dear.
Since you don’t know me I assume that it isn’t a term of endearment and just accept that you have realised the error in your argument.
thats my point i don't know if thats the case i'm open mindedI'll keep those smoky mirrors ;-) If you think we are all accidents on a random rock with the our significance deriving from a few invented connections to previous meaningless events, fair enough.
you are not
you think what contained within the bible is the truth, and everytime you say so i will challenge you to prove it
you're not doing well so far
johnny crossan
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Nobody? Maybe you could consider widening your reading and circle of acquaintance a little to avoid the silly stuff.We have to establish what a "god" is before we can consider it to be real or not. Nobody can even do that. All we have are various contradicting claims from silly books and silly people.
As opposed to...True. It's maybe easier to regards oneself as a "fortuitous concourse of atoms" and give the God delusion a miss.
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Not believing in something unprovable should be the normal stance, it's not a religious stance it's a common sense stance.
The only "Unusual" behaviour is from the people who vehemently believe in one of the thousands of gods used to placate the needy.
The only "Unusual" behaviour is from the people who vehemently believe in one of the thousands of gods used to placate the needy.
johnny crossan
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If you say I'm not doing well that's calls for a well deserved cup of tea ;-) (Do keep telling me what I think though - it's really entertaining.)thats my point i don't know if thats the case i'm open minded you are not you think what contained within the bible is the truth, and everytime you say so i will challenge you to prove it
you're not doing well so far
Marklr
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Yep...all we have are descriptions from the human imagination.Nobody? Maybe you could consider widening your reading and circle of acquaintance a little to avoid the silly stuff.
We have nothing to go on. Nothing.
johnny crossan
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A set of religious beliefs along with most folk on the planet.As opposed to...
Yeah I was raised RC and went catholic school - not for me.A set of religious beliefs along with most folk on the planet.
johnny crossan
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That's all the equipment we've got friend. "Nothing" is a harsh description of its power to explain our predicament.Yep...all we have are descriptions from the human imagination.
We have nothing to go on. Nothing.
Marklr
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So, we are ALL atheists or agnostic, as NONE of us actually knows what a "god" is. Until we establish and prove what a "god" is, it's just fantasy.That's all the equipment we've got friend. "Nothing" is a harsh description of its power to explain our predicament.
don't have to get all defensive mateIf you say I'm not doing well that's calls for a well deserved cup of tea ;-) (Do keep telling me what I think though - it's really entertaining.)
if you think i'm putting words into your mouth then let me know, i'm a big boy i can take it
but whilst you make bold claims you don't back up with facts then i'll tell what i think you think(is that ok)
ignorance is bliss i guess
johnny crossan
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OK big boy, the Master of Balliol may help you in your state of blissful ignorance on matters eschatological:don't have to get all defensive mate if you think i'm putting words into your mouth then let me know, i'm a big boy i can take it but whilst you make bold claims you don't back up with facts then i'll tell what i think you think(is that ok)
ignorance is bliss i guess
"One who is in doubt about God may rationally pray for enlightenment about his existence and nature: It surely is no more unreasonable than the act of a man adrift in the ocean, trapped in a cave, or stranded on a mountainside, who cries for help though he may never be heard or fires a signal which may never be seen. And if there is such a God, then such prayer cannot be less pleasing to him than the attitude of a man who takes no interest in a question so important, or in a question so difficult would not welcome assistance beyond human powers."
I was taken aback by your precipitate assumptions:A delightfully ambiguous response!
Since you don’t know me I assume that it isn’t a term of endearment and just accept that you have realised the error in your argument.
1. That the perpetrator was not legally mad. (There must be some doubt)
2. That he had some moral code and was following it.(There are some people who are point blank amoral)
We don’t know any of this and it would be sensible to wait until a trial before making those assumptions.
So pray for clarity?OK big boy, the Master of Balliol may help you in your state of blissful ignorance on matters eschatological:
"One who is in doubt about God may rationally pray for enlightenment about his existence and nature: It surely is no more unreasonable than the act of a man adrift in the ocean, trapped in a cave, or stranded on a mountainside, who cries for help though he may never be heard or fires a signal which may never be seen. And if there is such a God, then such prayer cannot be less pleasing to him than the attitude of a man who takes no interest in a question so important, or in a question so difficult would not welcome assistance beyond human powers."
its your ignorance i was alluding to my friendOK big boy, the Master of Balliol may help you in your state of blissful ignorance on matters eschatological:
"One who is in doubt about God may rationally pray for enlightenment about his existence and nature: It surely is no more unreasonable than the act of a man adrift in the ocean, trapped in a cave, or stranded on a mountainside, who cries for help though he may never be heard or fires a signal which may never be seen. And if there is such a God, then such prayer cannot be less pleasing to him than the attitude of a man who takes no interest in a question so important, or in a question so difficult would not welcome assistance beyond human powers."
johnny crossan
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Add an intercessionary prayer on my behalf by all means ;-)its your ignorance i was alluding to my friend