Devante Cole: "City don't care about English kids"

Neville Kneville said:
That's because Kelechi was clearly better, as Barker is clearly better than Garcia, by some distance.

Maybe he thinks Garcia will make it one day, to a higher level than Barker but that would make it a nonsense having Barker on the bench in the first place when another kid worthy of a chance could be there.

Barker is faster, more skillful, & a better finisher than Garcia. He should have been on first, instead of Roberts, because that is his position & because he deserves the chance, & then Roberts should have been on, because he also deserves it.

Garcia should have been with the EDS at Chelsea on merit, not the first team, except he wouldn't have got in that team either.
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I'm sorry bud, you've raised two fine footballers, well one and a fine netball player, but you are never going to convince me that your opinion is the one I should be taking. Granted it's only a couple of pre season friendlies only but Garcia looked a much better fit than Barker. I'm guessing that is how it continues to look in behind closed doors games and training. Barker is also faster, more skilful(I assume you mean dribbler) and better finisher than Silva too.
The point remains, those employed at the very highest level, those who see both players day in day out see Garcia as a better player. It so happens I agree with them, as do a lot of fans, just look at the Garcia thread during the summer. Fans were rightly very excited by his performances.

I would love to see Barker get a chance, trust me, I've been Brandon Barker but 4 divisions below and training with the first team everyday, being involved in the first team squad is invaluable, and it also suits certain players more than others.

I agree, perhaps Barker could have made his debut over Garcia, but we have no idea of the performances he's putting in. For all we know it could be a reward that his (I'm speaking hypothetically) attitude or performances don't deserve. He may have forgot to wear his tie for all we know.

We are in the same boat, we want as many to prosper as possible. I don't believe Barker will make it with us. Hope I'm wrong. But he best pull his finger out as there are younger lads heaping the pressure on him. As I said earlier I imagine Maffeo and Bryan can't be far off first team squads. Maffeo already there. Angelino back too.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Cole should have made it imo & it's probably his attitude which prevented it.
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I don't know much about him apart from he had good potential - Nothing wrong being competitive or selfish but if he was know it all and not prepared to listen then that needs to be sorted. Abit like Sturridge in his early days

Some behaviours can not be man managed no matter how much talent they have (ie Mario)
 
schfc6 said:
I'm sorry bud, you've raised two fine footballers, well one and a fine netball player, but you are never going to convince me that your opinion is the one I should be taking. Granted it's only a couple of pre season friendlies only but Garcia looked a much better fit than Barker. I'm guessing that is how it continues to look in behind closed doors games and training. Barker is also faster, more skilful(I assume you mean dribbler) and better finisher than Silva too.
The point remains, those employed at the very highest level, those who see both players day in day out see Garcia as a better player. It so happens I agree with them, as do a lot of fans, just look at the Garcia thread during the summer. Fans were rightly very excited by his performances.

I would love to see Barker get a chance, trust me, I've been Brandon Barker but 4 divisions below and training with the first team everyday, being involved in the first team squad is invaluable, and it also suits certain players more than others.

I agree, perhaps Barker could have made his debut over Garcia, but we have no idea of the performances he's putting in. For all we know it could be a reward that his (I'm speaking hypothetically) attitude or performances don't deserve. He may have forgot to wear his tie for all we know.

We are in the same boat, we want as many to prosper as possible. I don't believe Barker will make it with us. Hope I'm wrong. But he best pull his finger out as there are younger lads heaping the pressure on him. As I said earlier I imagine Maffeo and Bryan can't be far off first team squads.
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Garcia was 'a better fit' because he just jogged around midfield playing one twos & occasionally missed the odd easy chance. Barker was played mainly out of position as a cf, & is a player who is supposed to do matchwinning stuff. He could do what Garcia currently does, with his eyes shut, but his job is to beat 3 men & curl shots in the top corner, which is fucking difficult, & Garcia can't even get near that.

One day perhaps he will be a player like Silva, but right now, he is not even a player like Jack Byrne, who could do anything Garcia does, better than Garcia currently can.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Not twisting any fact, posted it, predicted it. Some of us on here said before the season started, that Denayer covered three positions & should be retained at City, thus enabling Iheanacho to take a place in the Champions League squad as backup for when Aguero, INEVITABLY, got injured. And also that Zaba is on his last legs, along with Demichelis.

I said I thought Denayer would quickly become our first choice right back, as he is head and shoulders a better player than the current two. I have since been pleasently surprised by Sagna.

The idea of blindly trusting these people to get every decision correct, is nonsense.
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This ^

People's blind faith in people managing the club to never make any mistake ever is baffling. They make mistakes all the time, as we all do. Everyone in life does. Not fitting the squad around the possibility of Aguero getting injured and leaving us one man down in the CL is one such stupid mistake. Denayer was a very obvious, very logical common sense and no risk decision for a whole host of reasons. It suited what the squad needs...yet we didn't do it. That wasn't right. It was a mistake. If they can make that mistake, then they can make others too.
 
At the same time as my previous post, I am happy for Garcia. It may be that they look at them in training and just see *something* in him, and that'd be fair enough too. But understandably we do have to reward consistent excellency in the youth games too. It's arguably more important and it is entirely unfair otherwise. If Garcia gets rewarded for being good in training, and average in games, then that's odd, but only understandable if others who are excellent in games get chances too. You'd always rather a player was an indifferent trainer (Tevez) and excellent in games...
 
Personally I don't think loaning Denayer out was a mistake. Given the form of Sagna and our CBs he wouldn't have got much game time here. Probably better for his development to be on loan elsewhere this season and come in for Demichelis next season.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Garcia was 'a better fit' because he just jogged around midfield playing one twos & occasionally missed the odd easy chance. Barker was played mainly out of position as a cf, & is a player who is supposed to do matchwinning stuff. He could do what Garcia currently does, with his eyes shut, but his job is to beat 3 men & curl shots in the top corner, which is fucking difficult, & Garcia can't even get near that.

One day perhaps he will be a player like Silva, but right now, he is not even a player like Jack Byrne, who could do anything Garcia does, better than Garcia currently can.
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So as I understand it, you want me to take your opinion over my own and those employed by City to make such decissions?

Your issue is Garcia getting picked over Barker am I right? Are you of the same beliefs of Devante Cole? We don't want English players?

Perhaps, you can't see why Garcia is so highly rated, but I don't understand why any City fan would be so arsed which young players play? Wenger once said, after the failed Pennant transfer that he didn't like young English players because their attitudes were often a bit iffy.

Barker to me, don't know the lad, granted probably have only seen him play 10 times looks a bit of a big time Charlie, very much enjoying life as the big fish.
Perhaps the club do see his talents but are wary of his attitude, perhaps staving off the 'too much too soon' attitude. As I say all players react differently at different levels.

As two sips says, the club like everyone by no means get everything right. I personally see something special in what I've seen of Garcia, I think Barker is very good, but I don't think his talents will be so obvious at senior level.
 
schfc6 said:
So as I understand it, you want me to take your opinion over my own and those employed by City to make such decissions?

Your issue is Garcia getting picked over Barker am I right? Are you of the same beliefs of Devante Cole? We don't want English players?

Perhaps, you can't see why Garcia is so highly rated, but I don't understand why any City fan would be so arsed which young players play? Wenger once said, after the failed Pennant transfer that he didn't like young English players because their attitudes were often a bit iffy.

Barker to me, don't know the lad, granted probably have only seen him play 10 times looks a bit of a big time Charlie, very much enjoying life as the big fish.
Perhaps the club do see his talents but are wary of his attitude, perhaps staving off the 'too much too soon' attitude. As I say all players react differently at different levels.

As two sips says, the club like everyone by no means get everything right. I personally see something special in what I've seen of Garcia, I think Barker is very good, but I don't think his talents will be so obvious at senior level.
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I can see why Garcia is highly rated. He is highly rated by me. I'm delighted the lad scored & hope it raises him up a level. Doesn't change the fact that he had absolutely no right to be there in the first place, when other kids who have been considerably better than him, are not getting the chance to prove themselves.

You might be right, that Barker can't make it at senior level & Garcia might turn out to be a star. Right now however, Barker IS a star at EDS & U19 level, & Garcia is probably not even in City's best 11. By next year, he might begin to star, but right now, he doesn't, & he doesn't work harder than the others or do anything to merit being promoted ahead of them so he shouldn't be promoted ahead of them.

My point is a simple one, Barker has been one of the outstanding players amongst City's youngsters, for the past two seasons & at the head of the queue for those deserving a first team chance, along with Kean Bryan, Mafeo etc. You, for some reason, have decided you think he is a 'big time Charlie' which frankly, I find an absolutely ridiculous assumption based on watching the lad play football, & which makes discussing it with you, somewhat pointless as, obviously, you won't want him preferreed to others if you hold that opinion.

I would argue that it is irrelevant anyway. Ronaldo is a big time Charlie.

Iheanacho had a couple of spectacular moments in City's EDS, at a stage when Barker had faded a bit & was rightly promoted. However, over the course of the season, Barker, many times, produced that same level of quality. Garcia, as yet, has never produced anything, even comparable. Celina is currently better than him.

When he starts to produce it, he will deserve a chance. Right now, he doesn't, & Barker does, because he does stuff like this , over & over & over again, & Garcia, doesn't.

 
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