Devante Cole: "City don't care about English kids"

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Regardless of whether he was good enough or not he has a point and it's silly for you to disagree otherwise when he has experienced it first hand and it is not just a City problem, it's a Premier League problem.

The quote about Pellegrini in South Africa I can believe for one.

We are a Spanish run club on the football operations side with a Spanish speaking manager and the bulk load of young players bought between 15-18 are Spanish.

Maffeo, Angelino, M.Garcia, A.Garcia, Pozo, Fernandes, Brahim are all young Spanish players who have been bought for big money and because of that they will get the chances ahead of the English lads when they are no better (apart from Brahim who looks a little special) because someone's job will be on the line when those higher up question why have you spent millions on that player when a lad born in Manchester is better. Case in point with Pozo/Hiwula. Hiwula would have done a far better job last season when we were short but Pozo had to play as he cost a few million and was Spanish.

It doesn't matter all the stats about 66% of the Academy being from Manchester. You would expect that amount as from U6 - U13 you won't recruit from anywhere else, it's the ages after that they start to be replaced by expensive foreign exports.

For example Manu Garcia is vastly Overated by everyone, he will not make it at City, if an English lad say for example Patching had been given as many chances so far as he has because he cost money then Patching would be flying and we would have a more developed footballer who is English and more importantly Mancunian. Instead Garcia will be on the bench tonight when he has not had one good game in any set up this season and is continually brought off (yes I know Patching is unavailable tonight but he wasn't v Sunderland)

Just because the Academy is booming at the moment and because he dad is a rag, doesn't mean it's sour grapes.

Its a situation that needs to be sorted soon as in the long run, facilities won't count for anything if they can see you will be there till you are 15/16 before being replaced by someone foreign.

Disagree with almost everything you have said. Academies scout players and there is a lot of competition for the best talent across Europe for the elite level 17-19 year olds. Our Barcelona contingent where brought in precisely because of their success with that approach with Barca. Are you saying we should just ignore that side of youth football?

The core principle should be to filter the best players in to the academy and create an environment where all of them have an opportunity to progress and develop and from that pool the best will get chances at senior level.

Given the money thrown at the whole system I don’t think fees paid for individual players would come into it. However if we pay £11m for a Roberts type player you would presume he is already playing at a level where you would expect him to get some first team opportunity without having played much youth football.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Failed academy kid sells bitter tale to shit newspaper.

Move along, nothing here.

 

[Rolee]

Nope, just not got blue tinned glasses when it comes to everything City.

Another case point, Bruno Zuculini, no better than George Evans but gets more chances and better loans on the account that he's not from Cheadle.

More chances? In what respect?

 

[WNRH]

Yeah because Zuculini has played so many minutes for us..
As for the better loans, that has less to do with city. If a team like Boro had wanted Evans they would have gone for him. Zucilini got a better loan because a better team wanted him, naught to do with nationality.
Sit down.

I am sat down thanks.

Boro wanted Zuculini over Evans as the manager is Spanish, if it's to do with football ability then they will not get promoted if he thinks that.

Speak to those Boro fans, they are disappointed that a foreigner has come in on loan instead of one of their local lads getting a chance. It's the same at all clubs.

 

[WNRH]

Disagree with almost everything you have said. Academies scout players and there is a lot of competition for the best talent across Europe for the elite level 17-19 year olds. Our Barcelona contingent where brought in precisely because of their success with that approach with Barca. Are you saying we should just ignore that side of youth football?

The core principle should be to filter the best players in to the academy and create an environment where all of them have an opportunity to progress and develop and from that pool the best will get chances at senior level.

Given the money thrown at the whole system I don’t think fees paid for individual players would come into it. However if we pay £11m for a Roberts type player you would presume he is already playing at a level where you would expect him to get some first team opportunity without having played much youth football.

Barcelona were successful between 06 and 13 because they gave chances to talented true homegrown players who gave their all for the club, mixed in with some world class signings, it's the perfect formula that all clubs wanted to follow.

But even now they have abandoned those principles, there B left back Grimaldo who is highly rated has hit out recently about others getting changes and Enrique not caring about any of the players. Another one of their players Sergi Samper is getting frustrated at the lack of opportunities and Arsenal are reported to be interested.

It's the same all over, all clubs are frightened on missing out on the next big thing and they sacrifice the kids they have all ready who are just as good if not better than the lad they are giving parents jobs to and a big house.

Tixxi and Ferrano are trying to recreate what they had at Barca but the big difference is they are still using Spanish players and it won't work.

By the way some of these kids both English and foreign might not be good enough to play for City, Cole certainly isn't but they all should at least have a fair crack of the whip which is what Cole is saying and I agree.

 

[WNRH]

More chances? In what respect?

Mainly first team involvement, training, better loan moves, more minutes in friendly games.

If Zuculini was registered he would have played ahead of Evans against Sunderland. Same with Glendon and Barker. If Garcia and Roberts were eligible neither of then would have been on the bench this season.

The lads who are true home grown players are only getting chances because of technicalitys.

 

[twosips]

Tbh, he was a decent, very effective player for the EDS, and perhaps, yes, he should have gotten a run out in the cup games or something. BUT he would have always been a 'maybe' at best when the likes of Pozo and Lopes often seemed like certainties. This is mildly xenophobic, sour grapes. He's a bitter man. Like his dad.

Some players will always slip through the net, its gonna happen. But even if he does make it to a high level over time, i wouldnt necessarily say its City fault in this instance. With Lopes I would, but not in Cole's scenario. Some of the kids we have around now have vastly more star potential in my opinion.

 

[WNRH]

Tbh, he was a decent, very effective player for the EDS, and perhaps, yes, he should have gotten a run out in the cup games or something. BUT he would have always been a 'maybe' at best when the likes of Pozo and Lopes often seemed like certainties. This is mildly xenophobic, sour grapes. He's a bitter man. Like his dad.

Some players will always slip through the net, its gonna happen. But even if he does make it to a high level over time, i wouldnt necessarily say its City fault in this instance. With Lopes I would, but not in Cole's scenario. Some of the kids we have around now have vastly more star potential in my opinion.

What are your thoughts on Barker two sips? He is a player that has stalled due to an expensive import in my opinion.

 

[mikeyboy]

while he was at city i seem to remember this lad tweeting taking the piss out of kompany after we played real madrid a few years back. something about ronaldo and burgers?!!
karma is a woman...so enjoy bradford lad!

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Mainly first team involvement, training, better loan moves, more minutes in friendly games.

If Zuculini was registered he would have played ahead of Evans against Sunderland. Same with Glendon and Barker. If Garcia and Roberts were eligible neither of then would have been on the bench this season.

The lads who are true home grown players are only getting chances because of technicalitys.

Sorry but you make no sense. Loans are mostly down to other clubs identifying a player they thing they could use. City do not have significant influence over that as its down to how they perform on the pitch in front of scouts from other clubs. I don’t see why City would hold back any player from a good opportunity. The only exception I can think of is with the elite who are training with the first team and have an outside shot at first team duty which presents an understandable tough call.