Devante Cole: "City don't care about English kids"

[WNRH]

Don't you think that is down to Pellegrini rather than some endemic anti-English policy at the club? Any youngsters struggle to get game time under Pellegrini. IMO Iheanacho is the best of the current crop and he struggles to get the odd 5 minutes off the bench.

True but even though Roberts is English he's still an expensive import and he has stalled Barker's progress.

By the way, Roberts might be better than Barker both now and in the long run but the difference is Roberts will have plenty of chances to find out if he's good enough where as Barker won't. That's the point that Cole is getting at, it just so happens to be that all the expensive imports are foreign.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

This is why we should ban rags from our academy

 

[ninjamonkey]

The fact he didn't get a chance in the first team can be easily explained by the club he currently plays for. Self-entitled sour grapes at it's finest.

 

[Newman Noggs]

I've read some shit on these boards over the years but this business about English kids being somehow disadvantaged takes the biscuit. If it's really happening, where are all these budding Messis ? Presumably the Championship where you can pick up over a million quid a year for playing football is awash with young English talent rejected by the Premier League clubs owned and run by foreigners. If Devante Cole is an example of the self-entitled journeymen who are being discriminated against by our club, then I'm all for it.

 

[PrestwichPeteMcfc]

*City don't care about shit Bradford level footballers. 3 English kids have made their first team debuts already this year. It's not up to the manager to put sub standard championship level players into the team. They get their chance to impress in training and if they take it they will play.

 

[Why Always Ste]

Hehe....

Firstly, many of us on here don't believe what's put in the Daily Fail most day's so why any different today?

Secondly, It's pure click bait written in a specific way to get the football fans who dislike City clicking on the article
in hope of finding some mud to throw... and of course we'll click on it in defence of our club, reiterating our "media agenda belief"
which most fans of other clubs also believe.

I often watched Devante Cole play for our Academy, and out of the group of lads he played amongst, I didn't rate him too much,
he seemed wasteful quite often in front of goal.
It was no surprise that he was released.
This opinion is not in relation to who he is or who his father is, it's based purely on football and I thought he was shit at the time
he was with us.... Maybe if he out more effort in and had the desire, he'd of made it with us?

I mean he could start banging in goals for fun at Bradford, good luck to the guy, but from what he's saying there'd of been no difference
at any of the top tier clubs such as City/Man Utd/Arsenal/Chelsea in getting opportunities
as clubs at this level want instant success and are able to buy ready made talent.
Nothing to do with Nationality - City would much prefer to develop British talent as there's such a shortage of Home Grown players
in the league.

The real problem is with your Football Association devante - and the lack of investment in coaching facilities throughout the country...
But you won't notice this whilst growing up in your Dads luxury mansion in Cheshire would you?

 

[Centurions]

I think you all should get off his back, the mighty European Champions Bradford City have given him a life long (2 years actually) contract in order to fend off interest from Real & Barca so he must have a point.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Regardless of whether he was good enough or not he has a point and it's silly for you to disagree otherwise when he has experienced it first hand and it is not just a City problem, it's a Premier League problem.

The quote about Pellegrini in South Africa I can believe for one.

We are a Spanish run club on the football operations side with a Spanish speaking manager and the bulk load of young players bought between 15-18 are Spanish.

Maffeo, Angelino, M.Garcia, A.Garcia, Pozo, Fernandes, Brahim are all young Spanish players who have been bought for big money and because of that they will get the chances ahead of the English lads when they are no better (apart from Brahim who looks a little special) because someone's job will be on the line when those higher up question why have you spent millions on that player when a lad born in Manchester is better. Case in point with Pozo/Hiwula. Hiwula would have done a far better job last season when we were short but Pozo had to play as he cost a few million and was Spanish.

It doesn't matter all the stats about 66% of the Academy being from Manchester. You would expect that amount as from U6 - U13 you won't recruit from anywhere else, it's the ages after that they start to be replaced by expensive foreign exports.

For example Manu Garcia is vastly Overated by everyone, he will not make it at City, if an English lad say for example Patching had been given as many chances so far as he has because he cost money then Patching would be flying and we would have a more developed footballer who is English and more importantly Mancunian. Instead Garcia will be on the bench tonight when he has not had one good game in any set up this season and is continually brought off (yes I know Patching is unavailable tonight but he wasn't v Sunderland)

Just because the Academy is booming at the moment and because he dad is a rag, doesn't mean it's sour grapes.

Its a situation that needs to be sorted soon as in the long run, facilities won't count for anything if they can see you will be there till you are 15/16 before being replaced by someone foreign.

To suggest Pozo got the spot because he's Spanish is nothing but discriminatory to be honest.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Hehe....

Firstly, many of us on here don't believe what's put in the Daily Fail most day's so why any different today?

Secondly, It's pure click bait written in a specific way to get the football fans who dislike City clicking on the article
in hope of finding some mud to throw... and of course we'll click on it in defence of our club, reiterating our "media agenda belief"
which most fans of other clubs also believe.

I often watched Devante Cole play for our Academy, and out of the group of lads he played amongst, I didn't rate him too much,
he seemed wasteful quite often in front of goal.
It was no surprise that he was released.
This opinion is not in relation to who he is or who his father is, it's based purely on football and I thought he was shit at the time
he was with us.... Maybe if he out more effort in and had the desire, he'd of made it with us?

I mean he could start banging in goals for fun at Bradford, good luck to the guy, but from what he's saying there'd of been no difference
at any of the top tier clubs such as City/Man Utd/Arsenal/Chelsea in getting opportunities
as clubs at this level want instant success and are able to buy ready made talent.
Nothing to do with Nationality - City would much prefer to develop British talent as there's such a shortage of Home Grown players
in the league.

The real problem is with your Football Association devante - and the lack of investment in coaching facilities throughout the country...
But you won't notice this whilst growing up in your Dads luxury mansion in Cheshire would you?

"He seemed wasteful in front of goal, it was no surprise he was released"

"Clubs at this level want instant success and are able to buy ready made talent"

Surely the signing of Raheem Sterling for 44m/50m contradicts both these ideas? Our second most expensive club signing and he's been signed for potential. Not suggesting he doesn't have any, but it'd be interesting to see how much potential an academy lad could demonstrate given nearly as much game time as Sterling has had.

For what it's worth I tend to agree with WNRH and, to an extent, Cole. How long does a player have to be with us until we can genuinely call them one of our Academy kids?

Brahim is a Malaga kid, Ambrose is an Auxerre kid and so on. If they make it with us it's necessarily a bad thing but I don't think we'd be entitled to much of the credit with regards to their development.

I'd much rather see lads who've been with us for years given a chance. Unless we're signing genuine world beaters then what's the point in bringing lads through and when they get to a decent age (17/18ish) simply bringing in someone else who's arguably not that much - if any - better than them?

Where I don't agree with Cole is the xenophobic undertone at City which he suggests is present. I don't think there is, I think all the top clubs have a similar problem (if you see it as a problem) as us, and it needs to be addressed.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

What are your thoughts on Barker two sips? He is a player that has stalled due to an expensive import in my opinion.

Barker needs to prove he's better than Roberts, take the challenge ffs.

We're so discriminatory against our own that Jack Byrne is in the fucking Eredivisie. Maybe, just maybe, people like Evans aren't good enough and are being given the best chance to show enough to get a Championship move eventually and build their way up, because the genuine star talent are just a bit raw to be fully integrated into a team that needs to win the title this season.