Dianne Abbott

[Ban-jani]

The process of seeking asylum allows that you may have entered a country by ‘irregular’ means, so no, you are not automatically committing a crime by entering without the necessary paperwork if you claim asylum and submit yourself to the legal process.

The quote was on people who have already been deported attempting to enter the country again.

If you have been deported you’ve either been rejected for asylum, have committed a crime here or have entered illegally in the first place, so anyone attempting to enter the country following this is a criminal.

Jesus wept.

 

[blueinsa]

The quote was on people who have already been deported attempting to enter the country again.

If you have been deported you’ve either been rejected for asylum, have committed a crime here or have entered illegally in the first place, so anyone attempting to enter the country following this is a criminal.

Jesus wept.

Bob is the number one advocate of an open border world.

Entitled to that opinion of course but there is no point trying to debate this with him.

 

[inbetween]

Which the vast majority trying to enter via a boat supplied by criminal gangs have zero intention of doing. The plan is to evade all law enforcement and to then disappear into society.

Criminal behaviour.

The stats suggest that most of those who travel by boat (and are caught) are genuine seeing as only a handful are deported. Maybe those try to get caught? I have no idea.

I also have absolutely no idea why they choose the UK over France, nor why they choose to cross by boat instead of entering via a legitimate channel.

My only guess is those entering via a legitimate channel will be sent back until a decision is made. Travelling by boat meanwhile and then being detained whilst a decision is made puts a roof over your head and gives you free food etc.

 

[blueinsa]

The stats suggest that most of those who travel by boat (and are caught) are genuine seeing as only a handful are deported, the remainder are successful in lodging asylum. Maybe those try to get caught? I have no idea.

The issue is being caught. The attempt to enter the UK via this method, ie onto a beach, not via an actual port of entry suggests that despite often having a genuine reason to seek asylum, they wont do so if they can get away with it and will instead enter and live illegally.

The UK, with the French should pay for a centre on the French side where these people can present themselves, be processed and if they gain asylum we bring them over safely.

 

[Ban-jani]

Bob is the number one advocate of an open border world.

Entitled to that opinion of course but there is no point trying to debate this with him.

And then in his dystopian dream when he can’t get to work due to congested roads or trains, or educate his kids or get a doctors appointment and he loses his job due to someone from China doing it cheaper, he’ll blame the Tories.

 

[blueinsa]

And then in his dystopian dream when he can’t get to work due to congested roads or trains, or educate his kids or get a doctors appointment and he loses his job due to someone from China doing it cheaper, he’ll blame the Tories.

I think that's exactly how it works, yes.

 

[stonerblue]

Bob is the number one advocate of an open border world.

Entitled to that opinion of course but there is no point trying to debate this with him.

Oi, i thought i was the top 'open borders' advocate on here?

 

[Vic]

The quote was on people who have already been deported attempting to enter the country again.

If you have been deported you’ve either been rejected for asylum, have committed a crime here or have entered illegally in the first place, so anyone attempting to enter the country following this is a criminal.

Jesus wept.

Prima facie it's a crime to enter the country illegally, but there may be defences so, unless you believe in verdict and sentence before evidence, they are not necessarily criminals (and Patel's choice of words mixed up those few deported after conviction of a criminal offence with others who have not been convicted).

Her choice of words had purpose and effect.

 

[Ban-jani]

Prima facie it's a crime to enter the country illegally, but there may be defences so, unless you believe in verdict and sentence before evidence, they are not necessarily criminals (and Patel's choice of words mixed up those few deported after conviction of a criminal offence with others who have not been convicted).

Her choice of words had purpose and effect.

No it didn’t, she was correct, people who have been deported and are trying to regain entry are criminals.

Great work on taking the thread away from Abbott though, top quality gaslighting

 

[BobKowalski]

Which the vast majority trying to enter via a boat supplied by criminal gangs have zero intention of doing. The plan is to evade all law enforcement and to then disappear into society.

Criminal behaviour.

Evidence please. I personally have no idea of the percentage of people who enter via a boat who then go on to formally claim asylum, so I would appreciate some figures. As many are intercepted we can use these to determine asylum applications and from that successful applications.

For those that are not intercepted, I imagine they will disappear into communities where they have friends, relatives and some form of support network. Surviving without some form of support network in the UK would be difficult, especially for those with young families.