Dipper Takeover? [Merged]

fbloke said:
I think we will agree to disagree, ok?


When talking about the squad, yes.

When you state the club runs on a deficit because of the size of the stadium, nope because it's fact that LFC actually makes an operating profit. The loss is because of the interest repayments on Hicks and Gillet's loan.
 
It gets better.

Apparently one of the biggest and most cash rich SWFs in the world is selling exactly the right number of shares to finance the Liverpool debt buy-out. The big question is why would they have to do that?

The Chinese government fund represented by Kenny Huang has spent the past fortnight raising precisely the amount of cash required to finance a bid for Liverpool. Sources have confirmed to Digger that the China Investment Corporation, the sovereign wealth fund to the world's most populous nation, is the organisation being fronted by Huang, who yesterday admitted interest in bidding for Liverpool.

In a series of trades since 19 July, CIC has sold $558m of shares in Morgan Stanley, equating to £351.4m. That sum is equivalent to Liverpool's debt to the nearest decimal place, and is exactly the number insiders say has been quoted to interested parties as the sale price.

China Daily, the English-language arm of the Chinese state media, reported yesterday: "China Investment Corp, the Chinese sovereign wealth fund that bought a 9.9% stake in Morgan Stanley in 2007, sold $90.5m of shares in the investment bank on 30 July, bringing the total amount divested in the last two weeks to about $558m."

Although sovereign wealth funds have enormous values of assets under management, cash is generally tied up in equity and bond markets. This requires liquidation by share sales before major new investments can be made. It is therefore hugely significant that the £351.4m number is also equivalent to Liverpool's debt, suggesting that CIC is shifting its assets ahead of an offer for the five-times European Cup winners.

It also indicates that despite the ambitions of the Anfield club's chairman, Martin Broughton, to generate a return for Tom Hicks and George Gillett, China is refusing to reward them for their three-and-a half-year ownership of the club. The Americans' capacity to dictate terms is further reduced by the fact that there are few other credible bidders preparing to compete with Huang and CIC.

Even those involved in the sale process have dismissed the announcement yesterday from Yahya Kirdi, the former Syrian footballer with business links in Canada, of his intention to compete with Huang for Liverpool. Kirdi has previously talked of his interest but is said not to have meaningfully pursued it, but his interest could raise the price that current owners are looking for. The Rhone Group has also re-emerged as a possible interested party. But although it is regarded as being financially capable of mounting a bid, the private equity firm has come to the table before, having looked at a minority-stake investment in March. But it did not go through with the deal.

Huang confirmed for the first time yesterday he had contacted Liverpool's brokers in the sale – who together are Broughton and Barclays's investment-banking division, Barcap – to "register interest". He did state he "has made no formal bid", however CIC's cash-raising exercise demonstrates it is in a position to make an approach at any time.

In that event the red half of Merseyside might be concerned about the impact of direct investment from the Chinese government in their club. But in anticipation of negative reaction to its world-wide investment activities, CIC's website states: "CIC strives to contribute to the prosperity and development of local economies.

It adds: "CIC usually does not seek an active role in the companies in which it invests nor attempts to influence those companies' operations. CIC seeks long-term, stable, sustainable, and risk-adjusted return."

Although the message of prudence, at a time when CIC's dumping of £531.4m of Morgan Stanley shares has conspicuously not generated any money for transfer activity, might dishearten fans, it should not be interpreted as a lack of team investment. CIC would be purchasing a debt-free club and would be capable of taking out smaller, more affordable loans to finance team strengthening this summer.

And after the years of chaos associated with the unsustainable debt run up under Hicks and Gillett, that would no doubt be a welcome relief to Liverpool fans, as will the fact CIC is happy with Roy Hodgson being the manager.

-- Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:01 am --
 
fbloke said:
It gets better.

Apparently one of the biggest and most cash rich SWFs in the world is selling exactly the right number of shares to finance the Liverpool debt buy-out. The big question is why would they have to do that?

Its because a SWF is a investment vehicle whose main purpose is to grow its wealth and the way to do that is with assets, be it shares, companies etc etc. It would serve no purpose having £350M in cash sat there as it would not grow enough to justify having it sat there. Far better to have it invested.
 
bluemonkey71 said:
@shelovesyou

Mansours family allegedly £560 billion.
Abu dhabi wealth fund $627 billion


Doesn't mean you'll get a huge pot although you say in one sentence you wouldn't mind it and in the next you would. For all the talk going in the scousers would rip their hands off. Tell me I'm wrong.

Again why the need to point out your owners wealth ?
Not once have I said I want loads of cash for players, not once will you find me saying that because I simply dont want that. What I do want and many others want is success, naturally but not at the price you guys are paying for it, I genuinely wish you and your team well mate, but you have to realize you are subject to accusations of trying to buy instant success.

Some LFC fans will want all the wealth and the potential of success it may or may not bring, but the match goers, the local fans who live and die by the club just want dignity back in the club. Its been missing for far too long now.
 
If people who are buying are loaded what would happen is " breaking news Liverpool been bought buy so and so" Liverpool want it in the public domain for one reason only to smoke out real buyers because they are flapping....... They are in the shit if they don't sell to someone who is billion air!!!!!!!
 
projectriver said:
shelovesyouyehyehyeh said:
No offence mate but youve no idea what yer talking about regarding Barrett.
What Business plan are you referring to mate ?
Have you seen it ?
Not many go into this kind of venture not wanting a return, the fans know this and can live with it, what we dont like is false prophets, Lie's and abuse of the fans via emails.

Decent owners who are transparent and accountable. Thats all we ask.

Tony EVANS (not Barrett) - heard and read plenty of his garbage
Business plan - not seen it but do the maths. No deal that requires paying more than £250m and building a £200m can ever generate a return. Even before investment in the team (essential if you are to qualify for Champions League), the numbers don't work. Anyone spinning that they can, simply does not understand the industry.
Transparency - because of the point above, you are very unlikely to ever get it. Like so many new owners before them, a buyer seeking a financial return at Liverpool will quickly back track from promises (like at Portsmouth, Newcastle, Brum, Villa, United, Liverpool etc etc.)

Ah you meant Evans , apologies. He has a good heart but he can come out with some shite.
Of course it can generate a return. Thats a very naive statement mate.
The stadium will cost more than 200M but will pay for itself after 15 years no problems.

Hopefully any new owner wont make such promises in the first place so to back track on them mate.

-- Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:44 am --

waspish said:
If people who are buying are loaded what would happen is " breaking news Liverpool been bought buy so and so" Liverpool want it in the public domain for one reason only to smoke out real buyers because they are flapping....... They are in the shit if they don't sell to someone who is billion air!!!!!!!

I dont want to come across the big I am here mate but we are talking about one of the biggest sporting institutions in the world. Not Scunthorpe Utd. No offence like.
We dont need to smoke out any buyers mate.
 
I posted on a thread, months ago this statemant and i'll stick with it.


Liverpool are a club with an amazing history and one of the biggest supported teams in the world, IMHO they will get a buyer for the club, who will realise the club is 'asleep' at the moment and with proper investment, can awaken it, and provide a platform to make a challenge for the premier league title. I would also like to say that a strong liverpool is much more acceptable to me than a strong rags, as when liverpool do get their saviour it will absolutley gut the scum, just as much as it gutted them when we were taken over. I still believe that we will be in the mix for the title come may, so let's concentrate on our own future.
 
glen quagmire said:
I posted on a thread, months ago this statemant and i'll stick with it.


Liverpool are a club with an amazing history and one of the biggest supported teams in the world, IMHO they will get a buyer for the club, who will realise the club is 'asleep' at the moment and with proper investment, can awaken it, and provide a platform to make a challenge for the premier league title. I would also like to say that a strong liverpool is much more acceptable to me than a strong rags, as when liverpool do get their saviour it will absolutley gut the scum, just as much as it gutted them when we were taken over. I still believe that we will be in the mix for the title come may, so let's concentrate on our own future.

I fully agree with this. Well said mate. Good luck to you.
 
One thing i would like to point out is IMHO papers like "the times" dont run with a front page with the headline "China set to buy liverpool" without pretty bloody good information. If it was only 50/50 imho it would be consigned to the depths of the sport section.
 
shelovesyouyehyehyeh said:
glen quagmire said:
I posted on a thread, months ago this statemant and i'll stick with it.


Liverpool are a club with an amazing history and one of the biggest supported teams in the world, IMHO they will get a buyer for the club, who will realise the club is 'asleep' at the moment and with proper investment, can awaken it, and provide a platform to make a challenge for the premier league title. I would also like to say that a strong liverpool is much more acceptable to me than a strong rags, as when liverpool do get their saviour it will absolutley gut the scum, just as much as it gutted them when we were taken over. I still believe that we will be in the mix for the title come may, so let's concentrate on our own future.

I fully agree with this. Well said mate. Good luck to you.

No worries mate, i just says it as i see it! It also makes me sick when certain 'fans' start spouting about our financial situation, while poking fun at others. I can honestly say i love my club with an unhealthy passion, but won't start gloating yet, till we have a trophy in the bank to go with all that cash.
 

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