direct cup and you get first chance of tickets !!!

[GStar]

I am sorry but that is a load of bollocks once again.

Firstly why have you mentioned the CityCard? It has no relevance to what we are discussing.

When you purchase a Season Ticket you commit a large amount of money upfront for attending 19 games.

When you opt to join the Cup Direct Scheme all you commit is your credit card details in case we get drawn at home in one of the cup competitions.

There is no guarantee that there would be any home cup game to use the credit card details you have given the club.

Like i said, i have yet to be given a proper answer or explanation why i will be left to scramble for the rest of the tickets with those who haven't bothered to go to any games at all.

Fair enough, if i missed even one cup game but i have been to every single one of them.

It's a joke and deep down you know it.

You have been, but if you dismiss it out of hand then there's no point repeating it.

Of course Citycard is relevent... it shows how differnet membership levels have different priority.

I compared the way the league games are prioritised and showed how City have basically matched that in Cup form.

Personally i think it's fair, our attendences in the cup this season have been nothing short of a joke... add to that that any ST holders who wants to get to the final with any kind of loyalty history will get one and City have introduced a reward scheme without hurting anyone yet giving everyone plenty of notice for next season (the final may be different a bridge to cross if we get to it).

I think its a joke anyone is against it. When you sign up for the cup scheme you don't know how much you're going to have to fork out, nor how frequently... you can budget for a ST, you can't budget for the CS.

As much as you think what i'm saying is bollocks, i'd have to say every single point you've put forward stands up to no scrutiny what so ever (bearing in mind you didn't mention the one point i'd say everyone agrees should have been done different - telling everyone at the beginning of the season).

Deep down i think it's people who are pissed off they can't pick and choose the games as they like (although if they opened their eyes, they'd see that they're going to Wembley anyway).

 

[johnmc]

City are the only club for whom a ticket 6 years ago still carries value in applying for a ticket today.

Yes its great from a fan point of view, but from a business point of view it makes no sense. You think the Sheik made his money from being sentimental or from being ruthless?

More and more things like this will come in, the season tickets will go up and we will complain that the average man is getting priced out of going. Its going to happen.

 

[Ticket For Schalke]

City are the only club for whom a ticket 6 years ago still carries value in applying for a ticket today.

Yes its great from a fan point of view, but from a business point of view it makes no sense. You think the Sheik made his money from being sentimental or from being ruthless?

More and more things like this will come in, the season tickets will go up and we will complain that the average man is getting priced out of going. Its going to happen.

-- Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:53 pm --

City are the only club for whom a ticket 6 years ago still carries value in applying for a ticket today.

Yes its great from a fan point of view, but from a business point of view it makes no sense. You think the Sheik made his money from being sentimental or from being ruthless?

More and more things like this will come in, the season tickets will go up and we will complain that the average man is getting priced out of going. Its going to happen.

of course, he wants todays fans not yesteryears, which is kind of sad, but thats the way it is.

 

[Manchester la la la la]

I am sorry but that is a load of bollocks once again.

Firstly why have you mentioned the CityCard? It has no relevance to what we are discussing.

When you purchase a Season Ticket you commit a large amount of money upfront for attending 19 games.

When you opt to join the Cup Direct Scheme all you commit is your credit card details in case we get drawn at home in one of the cup competitions.

There is no guarantee that there would be any home cup game to use the credit card details you have given the club.

Like i said, i have yet to be given a proper answer or explanation why i will be left to scramble for the rest of the tickets with those who haven't bothered to go to any games at all.

Fair enough, if i missed even one cup game but i have been to every single one of them.

It's a joke and deep down you know it.

You have been, but if you dismiss it out of hand then there's no point repeating it.

Of course Citycard is relevent... it shows how differnet membership levels have different priority.

I compared the way the league games are prioritised and showed how City have basically matched that in Cup form.

Personally i think it's fair, our attendences in the cup this season have been nothing short of a joke... add to that that any ST holders who wants to get to the final with any kind of loyalty history will get one and City have introduced a reward scheme without hurting anyone yet giving everyone plenty of notice for next season (the final may be different a bridge to cross if we get to it).

I think its a joke anyone is against it. When you sign up for the cup scheme you don't know how much you're going to have to fork out, nor how frequently... you can budget for a ST, you can't budget for the CS.

As much as you think what i'm saying is bollocks, i'd have to say every single point you've put forward stands up to no scrutiny what so ever (bearing in mind you didn't mention the one point i'd say everyone agrees should have been done different - telling everyone at the beginning of the season).

Deep down i think it's people who are pissed off they can't pick and choose the games as they like (although if they opened their eyes, they'd see that they're going to Wembley anyway).

quote of the thread..

lock this, highlight this and let it be

dont do the shit games? dont get the big games...

end of chat

 

[bainy]

To many pages to read....do we know how many are actually in the cup scheme? sorry if alraedy answered

5500

Thank you.

 

[WNRH]

I am sorry but that is a load of bollocks once again.

Firstly why have you mentioned the CityCard? It has no relevance to what we are discussing.

When you purchase a Season Ticket you commit a large amount of money upfront for attending 19 games.

When you opt to join the Cup Direct Scheme all you commit is your credit card details in case we get drawn at home in one of the cup competitions.

There is no guarantee that there would be any home cup game to use the credit card details you have given the club.

Like i said, i have yet to be given a proper answer or explanation why i will be left to scramble for the rest of the tickets with those who haven't bothered to go to any games at all.

Fair enough, if i missed even one cup game but i have been to every single one of them.

It's a joke and deep down you know it.

You have been, but if you dismiss it out of hand then there's no point repeating it.

Of course Citycard is relevent... it shows how differnet membership levels have different priority.

I compared the way the league games are prioritised and showed how City have basically matched that in Cup form.

Personally i think it's fair, our attendences in the cup this season have been nothing short of a joke... add to that that any ST holders who wants to get to the final with any kind of loyalty history will get one and City have introduced a reward scheme without hurting anyone yet giving everyone plenty of notice for next season (the final may be different a bridge to cross if we get to it).

I think its a joke anyone is against it. When you sign up for the cup scheme you don't know how much you're going to have to fork out, nor how frequently... you can budget for a ST, you can't budget for the CS.

As much as you think what i'm saying is bollocks, i'd have to say every single point you've put forward stands up to no scrutiny what so ever (bearing in mind you didn't mention the one point i'd say everyone agrees should have been done different - telling everyone at the beginning of the season).

Deep down i think it's people who are pissed off they can't pick and choose the games as they like (although if they opened their eyes, they'd see that they're going to Wembley anyway).

You are missing the point yet again GStar.

We both agree that those who go to every cup game should be rewarded, but then it has to be EVERYONE who has attended EVERY cup game not a minority of people.

I don't pick and choose the games i like, i go to everyone. It wouldn't matter if they were £15 or if they were £60, i would find a way of going to every extra cup game. Have you been to every cup game this season like me? If you have then don't we both deserve the chance to que jump everyone else? The only thing you have done different is given your credit card details to the club incase we get a home cup tie.

Can you not see where i am coming from? I am not someone who has watched half the games on TV and not bothered to go to them and is now kicking up a fuss because people who have been to every cup game is now jumping ahead of me even though i may have had a season ticket for the last 10 years, i am someone who has been to every cup game and is being shafted for simply not giving my credit card details over. Can you not see that? Put yourself in my shoes, imagine you didn't get the CDS form off in charge, would you honestly say you would be happy with this?

 

[cockneycarparkm32]

So next season 36,000 season ticket holders sign up for the cup scheme and City get to Wembley again for another semi, whats the scenario then......?

balloted

 

[Bill]

yeh i can see that, lets hope it works and loads sign up next season. everyone then will know the score.

What happens if 20k plus sign up how do they decide who gets a ticket then

back to points as it should be now, except the club get loads of dosh.

 

[Scottyboi]

What happens if 20k plus sign up how do they decide who gets a ticket then

back to points as it should be now, except the club get loads of dosh.

Should be points anyway instead of forcing people to go down the CS scheme route to guarantee a ticket to Wembley.

 

[Ticket For Schalke]

WNRH to stop you whining, if you have over 3000 points and your other two pals do, well you can get the tickets when i do, anything to stop you bitching.

In an attempt to support this, groups of up to six supporters may purchase tickets as soon as 50% of the supporters have the requisite number of loyalty points, as long as all supporters have 3,000 points or more.

 

[Pezzer2]

Anyone in the same boat as me? ive been going for years using another persons card and not thinking of the repurcussions. I've been going for 15 years home and away regular. After being used to no success i didn't even contemplate the need of accumulating points until a couple of seasons ago. I purchased my own seasoncard 2 years ago and only just got above 2000. Its my own fault and im gutted. The lad who's ticket I used lives in London and never goes but kept his ticket going and he suddenly wants to go the semi final. Away games I have used his tickets to guarantee me a ticket. Backfired on me now!

Anyway dont agree with the cup scheme. Ive been every FA Cup game home and away and get no reward. I have only 2050 points now and fear I will now miss out.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

What happens if 20k plus sign up how do they decide who gets a ticket then

back to points as it should be now, except the club get loads of dosh.

To pay over the odds transfer fees and over the odds wages for the Balotelli's of this world. Wonderful isnt it!

 

[Ticket For Schalke]

Anyone in the same boat as me? ive been going for years using another persons card and not thinking of the repurcussions. I've been going for 15 years home and away regular. After being used to no success i didn't even contemplate the need of accumulating points until a couple of seasons ago. I purchased my own seasoncard 2 years ago and only just got above 2000. Its my own fault and im gutted. The lad who's ticket I used lives in London and never goes but kept his ticket going and he suddenly wants to go the semi final. Away games I have used his tickets to guarantee me a ticket. Backfired on me now!

Anyway dont agree with the cup scheme. Ive been every FA Cup game home and away and get no reward. I have only 2050 points now and fear I will now miss out.

Your watching your football team, not paint dry, why should we want a reward for supporting the club we love?

 

[WNRH]

WNRH to stop you whining, if you have over 3000 points and your other two pals do, well you can get the tickets when i do, anything to stop you bitching.

In an attempt to support this, groups of up to six supporters may purchase tickets as soon as 50% of the supporters have the requisite number of loyalty points, as long as all supporters have 3,000 points or more.

I am not like you and all the others though who are happy to sit back and smile with a smug grin because it doesn't affect me.

 

[Dextersmate]

City are the only club for whom a ticket 6 years ago still carries value in applying for a ticket today.

Yes its great from a fan point of view, but from a business point of view it makes no sense. You think the Sheik made his money from being sentimental or from being ruthless?

More and more things like this will come in, the season tickets will go up and we will complain that the average man is getting priced out of going. Its going to happen.

-- Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:53 pm --

City are the only club for whom a ticket 6 years ago still carries value in applying for a ticket today.

Yes its great from a fan point of view, but from a business point of view it makes no sense. You think the Sheik made his money from being sentimental or from being ruthless?

More and more things like this will come in, the season tickets will go up and we will complain that the average man is getting priced out of going. Its going to happen.

of course, he wants todays fans not yesteryears, which is kind of sad, but thats the way it is.

All very true sadly,but loyalty should work both ways and reward the long term
fan that stayed through some bloody grim years.

 

[nwhn3]

This is the way its going to be in the future. The clubs priority will be how much money they can screw out of a 'customer' and this will be rewarded. Money = Loyalty

 

[Ticket For Schalke]

WNRH to stop you whining, if you have over 3000 points and your other two pals do, well you can get the tickets when i do, anything to stop you bitching.

I am not like you and all the others though who are happy to sit back and smile with a smug grin because it doesn't affect me.

I'm not being smug, as i would have got one regardless, i'm just trying to help you out, but you can go swivel now.

 

[danebanksheik]

As has been covered earlier in this thread the minimum number of points somebody on only the FA Cup scheme could have is:

Season ticket: 1190
Cup scheme: 50
Leicester: 10
Notts County: 100
Aston Villa: 100
Reading: 100

Total: 1550

I highly doubt there are any first time season ticket holders who only signed up for the FA Cup scheme.

There may however be first year season ticket holders who signed up for all 3 cup schemes. These people would have a minimum of:

Season ticket: 1190
Cup schemes: 175
Europa games: 50 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 100 + 100 = 280
FA Cup games: 10 + 100 + 100 + 100 = 310

Total: 1955

Most people seem to think sales will reach at least 2000 points so even the people with the least possible number of points will only have gained the advantage that they will have a better choice of seats.

Season ticket holders have been given priority because they've committed to this season. Cup scheme participants have been given further priority because they have committed to this season's cup matches. The cup scheme is effectively a season ticket for the cup matches but you only pay when the tickets are released, this is only done because the number of cup games will not be known at the start of the season, if the club could charge up front they would, however, the commitment to buy is still there.

For those saying the club should have announced at the start of the season that cup scheme members would be given priority tickets should we progress to the later stages of the competition, that would defy the point of the loyalty, the people who signed up to the cup scheme did so because they knew they'd be at every cup game no matter what, not because they'd potentially have a better chance at a semi-final ticket, and that is now being rewarded.

I also disagree with those saying the people who have been to every cup game should be given the same priority as those on the cup scheme. By not joining the cup scheme they gave themselves the option of missing a match if they wanted/needed to. That's not the same level of commitment. However, I believe they should have been rewarded, perhaps when the loyalty points reached 3000 points any season card holder who had attended all FA Cup matches should have been able to buy a ticket, regardless of points?

In summary I believe the club have done the best they could. They've given first priority to people who committed to all games this season and second priority to those who committed to all league games this season based on previous loyalty.

That sums everything up absolutely perfectly kenzie . The club have got this spot on in my eyes and as a marketing tool for next season's cup games it is absolutely brilliant. i cant think of anything better - going to the ground and not seeing empty seats.

 

[GStar]

You are missing the point yet again GStar.

We both agree that those who go to every cup game should be rewarded, but then it has to be EVERYONE who has attended EVERY cup game not a minority of people.

I don't pick and choose the games i like, i go to everyone. It wouldn't matter if they were £15 or if they were £60, i would find a way of going to every extra cup game. Have you been to every cup game this season like me? If you have then don't we both deserve the chance to que jump everyone else? The only thing you have done different is given your credit card details to the club incase we get a home cup tie.

Can you not see where i am coming from? I am not someone who has watched half the games on TV and not bothered to go to them and is now kicking up a fuss because people who have been to every cup game is now jumping ahead of me even though i may have had a season ticket for the last 10 years, i am someone who has been to every cup game and is being shafted for simply not giving my credit card details over. Can you not see that? Put yourself in my shoes, imagine you didn't get the CDS form off in charge, would you honestly say you would be happy with this?

I can see where you're coming from; which is why i keep bringing up the ST/CC scenario... i think there's two ways of doing it:

A. Loyalty points dictate all, regardless on membership level.
B. Memberships such as ST/CS are rewarded with priority rights for the relevant competitions

I can't disagree with the stance the club have taken as i as a ST holder already expect to get priority over a CC holder regardless of points for a league game, to me, this seems to be a mirror image in Cup competition, so i honestly find it hard to fight against it.

 

[johnmc]

All very true sadly,but loyalty should work both ways and reward the long term
fan that stayed through some bloody grim years.

Yeah, you'd hope that would be the case, but it never will be anymore.

The loyalty points system when it was introduced had a bearing on Old Trafford, Anfield and a couple of others if big games towards the end of the season. Not cup semis and finals. The Sheik has come in, paid his dough only to see half empty stadiums and he sees every empty seat as a lost revenue oppturnity. Down the road he sees the rags making their fans buy cup tickets and will probably want to do that himself. But not all at once, so it gets phased in.