Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[r.soleofsalford]

Listened to Ian Cheeseman last night at the local branch meeting, he said the players were against Mancini, he`d pissed off Aguero, Hart, Tevez, Yaya, Kompany, and Silva. etc which is pretty much the heart of our team. looking at the way we dissolved towards the later stages of last season i think what he said might have some validity.

Mate please don't let the facts get in the way of a good old fashioned whinge about dearly departed Bob.

And anyway you'll get the same answer I got last season. Sell/sack anyone but Bob stays. He's the boss. The don. The godfather. Shame our wonderful owners didn't agree.

I would believe Sergio Aguero over Ian Cheeseman and he denied there was any problem with Mancini. Let us have some honesty in the debate. We were told Mancinis biggest crime was criticising players in public. So what do we think of Pellegrini stating Joe Hart has been "making too many mistakes for a long time"? Similarly Barry was not impressed with his treatment either being left out of the pre-season tour. These issues swing both ways.

i talked to cheeseman in person. i hold more store in that than what some journalist told me sergio said.


anybody that has met ian cheeseman knows he`s more of a city fan than the vast majority on here

 

[mancity1]

Re: Clueless manager

Because his selection policy is shite, for a kick off. I am so royally pissed off with this.

He can only pick what is available. The problem with the defence started last season when Mancini decided to experiment in playing 3 at the back and bringing in his own defensive coach.

Its commendable that you are defending Pellagrini's team selections


Can you answer me as to why he left our best left and right backs on the bench for an important away game against a team scrapping for there lives?

Why did he wait until half time to sub the disgracefully mard arsed Garcia who is so so out of his depth in the premiership its an embarrassment watching him.

Are you telling me he set the team up to its best on Sunday?

Hart,Milner,Richards,Nastasic,Lescott and Clichy have all gone backwards under Pellagrini - a defensive unit that had the best defence in the premiership for the past three seasons is now defending like a Mark Hughes outfit.


He's grossly underestimating the premiership, and he has been a tad fortunate with the CL group we have.

I'm all for giving him a chance and i want him to succeed i really do, he just isn't learning from his obvious mistakes.

The season could be over by Christmas and success would be qualifying for the CL and a run in the cups.

I'm sorry mate but its just not good enough

It is only eleven games but I have real concerns about a top four finish this season.

We need VK and DS for as many games as is possible and something tells me this current run of injuries both have will not be there last.

Can't see where we will pick up the necessary points away from home to ease a bit of pressure on keeping the best home form in the premiership.

Not sure that in a season that many believe will be the tightest and deepest for years we have the mettle for the big dog fights ahead.

We are not the best at grinding teams into submission that don't want to on any given day and I hope in the run if we are still in it with a shout we don't have to go to a place where it matters for the other team ie Chumps , Europa or Relegation.

 

[onceabluealways]

Re: Clueless manager

Stick around when the next good run starts a load of them disappear only to reappear the next time we loose

Yeah just like the Mancini outers did.

And there lies the problem it's become a feud not much to do with supporting the club more to do with egos

Supporting the club is done within the stadium - when i always give full support to the team and manager.

This is a forum for discussions and opinions - yes pelle may need more time but at the moment he is making a right hash of it. Are away form is woeful after another 100 mill spent on last seasons team.

yes we have qualified for next CL round but lets be hones celtic qualified last season with similar teams - replace bayern with barca.

As Pam says watch the guys demeener during the sunderland game it was not one of a man in total belief or control he looked beat, head in arms etc. That is the biggest worry for me. The managers job is to have the team totally prepared with the right attitutude and tactics. If that is the case he needs to seriously get a grip of Yaya as he is strolling around the park in games that are not against the top 4. The defense is terrible - this isn't helped by changing it every week ( some understandable due to injuries ) but he doesn't seem to know who his best fullbacks are or is rotating far to much (easier in a winning team)

 

[football-fan]

Re: Clueless manager

Colin Bellsend needs to be severely reprimanded for his knee jerk reaction. What were City fans saying about Pellegrini after the 7-0 thrashing of Norwich (who beat us last season) and the 5-2 trouncing of CSKA Moscow? Some of you Bluemooners are so fickle. According to my detailed assessment, we are only 3pts off what we should have been at this stage of the season. After all, we did beat Manure and Everton, when creditable draws could have been expected. No intelligent City fan could have predicted us getting more than a point at Stoke, Chelsea, West Ham and Sunderland. Moreover, we are still only 6pts off the leaders. With a good run under our belts, we could easily be top by February. Stop panicking! Give the manager our support.

No intelligent City fan could have expected an away record better than 10th best in the league when we had the 5th best away record (which wasn't good enough) last season, and we've spent nearly £90m net on attacking players.

FULLY AGREE !!!! Pelegrinis further career depend on Tottenham game which is 70/30 for City and an easy draw in CL. But I am afraid that Tottenham will make a very good preparations on that game because Pellegrini is too predictable.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Mancini had to go. You don't give the owner an ultimatum and survive.

The issue is Pellegrini. He is inept. Not clueless like Hughes - just inept.

He has turned the best defence in the league (one of the best -even without Kompany) into a leaky colander. Any manager who uses defensive tactics as he does is asking for trouble in this day and age.

Ger shot now before it is too late.

 

[kenzie115]

Re: Clueless manager

Before taking the OP too seriously it may be worth considering these previous posts (about Negredo):

15-Aug

Spains answer to Ricky Lambert

16-Sep

Spanish Grant Holt and Jovetich is like Berbatov on sleeping tablets

03-Oct

I don't get this Negredo being quality and all his movement is class ( I know he plays for Spain) He's an impact player at most much too static for me

A knee jerker of epic proportions.

As for the clueless manager, his changes actually made a difference, bringing Navas on, and later Zab, made us much more threatening down the right hand side and had we had more players in the box we might have had a chance of scoring. Richards was shocking yesterday and it was the right decision to replace him.

As for the initial selections, many would argue Kolarov has been our best left back this season so you can't really argue with that. Richards annd Zabaleta have rotated in the last few games with decent results and Sunderland's aerial threat means Richards wasn't a stupid selection. Lescott was the only choice at centre half. Navas hasn't been in great form recently and so Milner's industry and fight was probably selected as a better option, plus he could cover for Richards who tends to take a while to track back. Fernandinho was injured and with Rodwell's fitness a doubt playing Garcia becomes the only option once you'd picked Milner out wide.

Listen mate a couple of tongue in cheek remarks RE Lambert but Negredo is ok at best for me, so why kneejerk ? I think 20 pages mainly agreeing will tell you otherwise.

Big surprise, we lose a game and all the dimwits, pessimists and guys that can't get over the fact Mancini was sacked are out in force on Bluemoon, it's more predictable than us losing 1-0 at the Stadium of Light.

Your thread title is "Clueless manager" and other than the Bayern game I can't think of one decision which can't be justified with a well reasoned argument. You may not agree with all of his decisions but that doesn't make him clueless. You calling Negredo the 'Spanish Grant Holt' does.

 

[Anonymous]

Ger shot now before it is too late.

He's not going anywhere. That's the rub and it's something a few are clearly taking time getting used to. Pellegrini's the new City manager - we've got a long way to go before there'll be talk of him being under pressure.

 

[bobmcfc]

Re: Clueless manager

Because his selection policy is shite, for a kick off. I am so royally pissed off with this.

He can only pick what is available. The problem with the defence started last season when Mancini decided to experiment in playing 3 at the back and bringing in his own defensive coach.

Its commendable that you are defending Pellagrini's team selections


Can you answer me as to why he left our best left and right backs on the bench for an important away game against a team scrapping for there lives?

Why did he wait until half time to sub the disgracefully mard arsed Garcia who is so so out of his depth in the premiership its an embarrassment watching him.

Are you telling me he set the team up to its best on Sunday?

Hart,Milner,Richards,Nastasic,Lescott and Clichy have all gone backwards under Pellagrini - a defensive unit that had the best defence in the premiership for the past three seasons is now defending like a Mark Hughes outfit.


He's grossly underestimating the premiership, and he has been a tad fortunate with the CL group we have.

I'm all for giving him a chance and i want him to succeed i really do, he just isn't learning from his obvious mistakes.

The season could be over by Christmas and success would be qualifying for the CL and a run in the cups.

I'm sorry mate but its just not good enough

It has been said Garcia went off due to injury not tactics. I was hoping the penny had dropped but we will see what happens when he's fit

 

[BlueAnorak]

City's biggest failing under Mancini (counter attacking with pace )has NOT been addressed. We still plod up the field at 5 mph giving the opposition an aeon to form their defensive ranks. Anyone with half a brain could see that was the most essential change.

So what does the inept one do? Change all the stuff that worked - that's what.<br /><br />-- Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:33 am --<br /><br />You're deluded Billy. The inept one will be gone unless we can establish a top 3 spot by Christmas.

 

[mancity1]

Re: Clueless manager

He can only pick what is available. The problem with the defence started last season when Mancini decided to experiment in playing 3 at the back and bringing in his own defensive coach.

Its commendable that you are defending Pellagrini's team selections


Can you answer me as to why he left our best left and right backs on the bench for an important away game against a team scrapping for there lives?

Why did he wait until half time to sub the disgracefully mard arsed Garcia who is so so out of his depth in the premiership its an embarrassment watching him.

Are you telling me he set the team up to its best on Sunday?

Hart,Milner,Richards,Nastasic,Lescott and Clichy have all gone backwards under Pellagrini - a defensive unit that had the best defence in the premiership for the past three seasons is now defending like a Mark Hughes outfit.


He's grossly underestimating the premiership, and he has been a tad fortunate with the CL group we have.

I'm all for giving him a chance and i want him to succeed i really do, he just isn't learning from his obvious mistakes.

The season could be over by Christmas and success would be qualifying for the CL and a run in the cups.

I'm sorry mate but its just not good enough

It has been said Garcia went off due to injury not tactics. I was hoping the penny had dropped but we will see what happens when he's fit

He did pick up an injury.

The question for me is like for like always the best way to go when you are behind and chasing the game.

Navas changed the flow but we couldn't get enough bodies in the box to compete and change Sunderland's shape at the back.

Our players were a bit dumb or lacking in energy and drive in that regard.

Why it took 75 minutes for our intensity to lift was more the players lack of spirit and drive which needed to lifted much earlier by a leader who doesn't know how to lead in those situations namely YAYA.

He ain't clueless but he hasn't worked out how to best set us up against mediocre opposition that want to defend and beat us at park football or as some used to coin it BFS' Bolton way.