Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[Ducado]

Re: Clueless manager

Colin Bellsend needs to be severely reprimanded for his knee jerk reaction. What were City fans saying about Pellegrini after the 7-0 thrashing of Norwich (who beat us last season) and the 5-2 trouncing of CSKA Moscow? Some of you Bluemooners are so fickle. According to my detailed assessment, we are only 3pts off what we should have been at this stage of the season. After all, we did beat Manure and Everton, when creditable draws could have been expected. No intelligent City fan could have predicted us getting more than a point at Stoke, Chelsea, West Ham and Sunderland. Moreover, we are still only 6pts off the leaders. With a good run under our belts, we could easily be top by February. Stop panicking! Give the manager our support.

Stick around when the next good run starts a load of them disappear only to reappear the next time we loose

Yeah just like the Mancini outers did.

And there lies the problem it's become a feud not much to do with supporting the club more to do with egos

 

[Ducado]

his last 8 away games in charge yielded 2 wins, 2 draws and 4 defeats

Not true.

And when did any of the Mancini haters on here ever let the facts get in the way?

-- Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:55 am --

lets cut to the chase.

we dropped an almighty bollock sacking Mancini. worse still was the summer of winning the title we didn't invest in our success.

both criminal acts.

Spot on.
And the penny is just starting to drop with a few on here.

Here we go again this more to do with damaged egos than with anything going on the pitch

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Not true.

In reverse order:

Wigan (Wembley) L
Swansea D
Spurs L
Chelsea (Wembley) W
United W
Everton L
Villa W
Southampton L
QPR D

Forgot Chelsea in the semi, soz. Otherwise exactly as claimed, as far as I can see.......

I would concentrate on our current gaffers awfull away record than the previous one

And just to compare the two
Pelles last 8 away in la liga

Won 1
Draw 1
Lost 6

Oh, unquestionably. However, I was just pointing out for the benefit of some of the more hysterical knee jerkers on here, that our problems on the road are nothing especially new.......<br /><br />-- Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:16 am --<br /><br />

his last 8 away games in charge yielded 2 wins, 2 draws and 4 defeats

Not true.

And when did any of the Mancini haters on here ever let the facts get in the way?

-- Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:55 am --

lets cut to the chase.

we dropped an almighty bollock sacking Mancini. worse still was the summer of winning the title we didn't invest in our success.

both criminal acts.

Spot on.
And the penny is just starting to drop with a few on here.

I don't know whether to yawn, sigh or laugh......

 

[mancity1]

Re: Clueless manager

Stick around? Have you seen his username? He'll be haunting us for eternity.

I might not be intelligent but for starters you could have got 9-1 over here in oz for Sunderland winning against us on Sunday and most betting sites were offering at least 8-1.

Not quite the same odds against West Ham and Stoke of course but in any case the odds a bookie would have given you all up for us to gain one or zero points against those four sides after the Newcastle game would have been around 330-1 so cheers to those who took the odds but left out West Ham as a roving banker.

I am pessimistic about City at the best of times but I would have predicted us getting at least 7 points in those games.

I notice your analysis doesn't include the away games at Cardiff and Villa and again if you include them in your banker and leave out West Ham even at the worst odds you could have got well over 500-1 us not picking up more than one point in those five games.


As for predictions from here on in I guess it depends on your definition of what constitutes a good run.

For some we could go on a better run away from home in the next 6 games and be 15 points behind top spot come February.

No one I see on here is panicking.

I give the team my support and am happy for any manager who happens to gain success by whatever definition is meant by success.

There should be no qualms about the view that MP hasn't got the best from this squad so far this season and hasn't hit the ground running when you compare it to the starts under Sven , Leslie, RM with what they had to work with and the circumstances presented to them at the early stages of their tenure.

By any objective measure its the worst start in the first eleven games since the new owners took over when even " your detailed assessment " is taken into account.

Its cold comfort when you get down and dirty to say well the others are not doing much better than us at this stage.

There is no rhyme nor reason why those sides currently above us should be thinking well we are happy to be above the blue boys after 11 games but wait until they click we will soon fall behind them.

That's not what the manager of Everton , Liverpool , Southampton ,etc think and not what there players think or believe.

I can guarantee you the manager of Southampton and their players believe wholeheartedly that they will pick us to pieces when we play them soon their patch

If I was a bookie I would start us as 4-1 outsiders to win that game and see how much money for us comes rolling in.

Not quite sure why you've quoted me with that post.

It was in relation to " Ghost of Kippax" GDM.

A bit long winded as per usual but if you read it you will see I was just being lazy.

Apologies if you thought any of my comments were directed or were in response to your post GDM.

 

[franksinatra]

his last 8 away games in charge yielded 2 wins, 2 draws and 4 defeats

Not true.

In reverse order:

Wigan (Wembley) L
Swansea D
Spurs L
Chelsea (Wembley) W
United W
Everton L
Villa W
Southampton L
QPR D

Forgot Chelsea in the semi, soz. Otherwise exactly as claimed, as far as I can see.......

So with the exception of the of additional victory in a cup semi final which now alters the stats to 3-2-4 and the fact you have conveniently ignored the three successive away victories previously to that draw at QPR (Did they not fit nicely into skewed stats) that is a very compelling argument.

The debate and comparison of Mancini and Pellegrini is worthy of debate but now with such flawed arguments.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

his last 8 away games in charge yielded 2 wins, 2 draws and 4 defeats

Not true.

And when did any of the Mancini haters on here ever let the facts get in the way?

-- Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:55 am --

lets cut to the chase.

we dropped an almighty bollock sacking Mancini. worse still was the summer of winning the title we didn't invest in our success.

both criminal acts.

Spot on.
And the penny is just starting to drop with a few on here.

Listened to Ian Cheeseman last night at the local branch meeting, he said the players were against Mancini, he`d pissed off Aguero, Hart, Tevez, Yaya, Kompany, and Silva. etc which is pretty much the heart of our team. looking at the way we dissolved towards the later stages of last season i think what he said might have some validity.

 

[Anonymous]

Not true.

And when did any of the Mancini haters on here ever let the facts get in the way?

-- Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:55 am --

lets cut to the chase.

we dropped an almighty bollock sacking Mancini. worse still was the summer of winning the title we didn't invest in our success.

both criminal acts.

Spot on.
And the penny is just starting to drop with a few on here.

Listened to Ian Cheeseman last night at the local branch meeting, he said the players were against Mancini, he`d pissed off Aguero, Hart, Tevez, Yaya, Kompany, and Silva. etc which is pretty much the heart of our team. looking at the way we dissolved towards the later stages of last season i think what he said might have some validity.

Mate please don't let the facts get in the way of a good old fashioned whinge about dearly departed Bob.

And anyway you'll get the same answer I got last season. Sell/sack anyone but Bob stays. He's the boss. The don. The godfather. Shame our wonderful owners didn't agree.

 

[NQCitizen]

And when did any of the Mancini haters on here ever let the facts get in the way?

-- Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:55 am --



Spot on.
And the penny is just starting to drop with a few on here.

Listened to Ian Cheeseman last night at the local branch meeting, he said the players were against Mancini, he`d pissed off Aguero, Hart, Tevez, Yaya, Kompany, and Silva. etc which is pretty much the heart of our team. looking at the way we dissolved towards the later stages of last season i think what he said might have some validity.

Mate please don't let the facts get in the way of a good old fashioned whinge about dearly departed Bob.

And anyway you'll get the same answer I got last season. Sell/sack anyone but Bob stays. He's the boss. The don. The godfather. Shame our wonderful owners didn't agree.

Yet realistically - Hart's dropped, Tevez is gone, Kompany is very injury prone and Yaya is arguably waning. Aguero supposedly didn't want to play under Pellegrini either.

Sometimes it's better the manager has absolute power than the players.

 

[lust overlord]

Not true.

And when did any of the Mancini haters on here ever let the facts get in the way?

-- Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:55 am --

lets cut to the chase.

we dropped an almighty bollock sacking Mancini. worse still was the summer of winning the title we didn't invest in our success.

both criminal acts.

Spot on.
And the penny is just starting to drop with a few on here.

Listen to Ian Cheeseman last night at the local branch meeting, he said the players were against Mancini, he`d pissed off Aguero, Hart, Tevez, Yaya, Kompany, and Silva. etc which is pretty much the heart of our team. looking at the way we dissolved towards the later stages of last season i think what he said might have some validity.

Maybe it wasn't a happy camp.Now it supposedly is,and away results are no better.
Maybe the players have been the problem all along, like some have said.
Pellegrini has proved he can pick teams to get results away from home in Europe.Now he has to start doing it in the league.It seems to me he hasnt shown the same flexibility in our away league games,Chelsea apart, where he set us up to be a bit more solid defensively.
Maybe we will get more away wins against the supposedly better teams who aren't likely to just sit back.Maybe the players will be more up for those games.And maybe the manager will make the changes in personnel and tactics to suit and we pick up more points.
Hope that maybe I'm right.

 

[flb]

Re: Clueless manager

Very insightful. Now explain why all this is Pellegrini's fault and not the players (or the injuries).

Because his selection policy is shite, for a kick off. I am so royally pissed off with this.

He can only pick what is available. The problem with the defence started last season when Mancini decided to experiment in playing 3 at the back and bringing in his own defensive coach.

Its commendable that you are defending Pellagrini's team selections


Can you answer me as to why he left our best left and right backs on the bench for an important away game against a team scrapping for there lives?

Why did he wait until half time to sub the disgracefully mard arsed Garcia who is so so out of his depth in the premiership its an embarrassment watching him.

Are you telling me he set the team up to its best on Sunday?

Hart,Milner,Richards,Nastasic,Lescott and Clichy have all gone backwards under Pellagrini - a defensive unit that had the best defence in the premiership for the past three seasons is now defending like a Mark Hughes outfit.


He's grossly underestimating the premiership, and he has been a tad fortunate with the CL group we have.

I'm all for giving him a chance and i want him to succeed i really do, he just isn't learning from his obvious mistakes.

The season could be over by Christmas and success would be qualifying for the CL and a run in the cups.

I'm sorry mate but its just not good enough