Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[sir baconface]

Re: Clueless manager

We do need to give the guy the full season BUT he needs to work on his public persona immediately.

At first I quite liked his laid-back style. Now the season is in full flow he sounds trite and lacking in passion. His body language on the bench is negative.

These things matter in any walk of life where leadership counts.

 

[flb]

And when did any of the Mancini haters on here ever let the facts get in the way?

-- Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:55 am --



Spot on.
And the penny is just starting to drop with a few on here.

We haven't played anyone of note away in Europe yet, beating Moscow and that Czech outfit isn't a good enough barometer.





Listen to Ian Cheeseman last night at the local branch meeting, he said the players were against Mancini, he`d pissed off Aguero, Hart, Tevez, Yaya, Kompany, and Silva. etc which is pretty much the heart of our team. looking at the way we dissolved towards the later stages of last season i think what he said might have some validity.

Maybe it wasn't a happy camp.Now it supposedly is,and away results are no better.
Maybe the players have been the problem all along, like some have said.
Pellegrini has proved he can pick teams to get results away from home in Europe.Now he has to start doing it in the league.It seems to me he hasnt shown the same flexibility in our away league games,Chelsea apart, where he set us up to be a bit more solid defensively.
Maybe we will get more away wins against the supposedly better teams who aren't likely to just sit back.Maybe the players will be more up for those games.And maybe the manager will make the changes in personnel and tactics to suit and we pick up more points.
Hope that maybe I'm right.

 

[bobmcfc]

Re: Clueless manager

I wonder if he lacks charisma ? There is just something very bland and uninteresting about him. It's like he has no pulse lol sorry but I try to warm to everyone but I'm struggling here

 

[Bill]

Yet realistically - Hart's dropped, Tevez is gone, Kompany is very injury prone and Yaya is arguably waning. Aguero supposedly didn't want to play under Pellegrini either.

Sometimes it's better the manager has absolute power than the players.

Yes, Yaya looks on the wane and Aguero clearly doesn't want to play under Pellegrini. We should've gotten rid of them all and kept Bobby giving him absolute power.

that's exactly what we should have done. once the tail starts to wag the dog you are fucked.

if fergie can banish beckham, nistlrooy and stam and win title after title then so can we with our mard arses.

whoever they are.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Mancini had to go. You don't give the owner an ultimatum and survive.

The issue is Pellegrini. He is inept. Not clueless like Hughes - just inept.

He has turned the best defence in the league (one of the best -even without Kompany) into a leaky colander. Any manager who uses defensive tactics as he does is asking for trouble in this day and age.

Ger shot now before it is too late.

Get a grip.

Our 'best defence' has had 7 different starting lineups due to a combination of injury and lack of form and even ability........we have also introduced a new centre half who has never stepped foot in the league.

But go ahead,pin those facts on Pellegrini and use them as a stick if it makes you feel better.

Its very simple,once injuries clear up and he has the luxury of another transfer window to address our weaknesses/fuck ups and remove those past their sell by date,this team will be consistently awesome.

I'm not happy with our start and i wont be giving Pellegrini any special dispensation,however,i wont be judgeing the man until he's had a fair opportunity to rectify the issues that began before his appointment.

 

[Anonymous]

Yet realistically - Hart's dropped, Tevez is gone, Kompany is very injury prone and Yaya is arguably waning. Aguero supposedly didn't want to play under Pellegrini either.

Sometimes it's better the manager has absolute power than the players.

Yes, Yaya looks on the wane and Aguero clearly doesn't want to play under Pellegrini. We should've gotten rid of them all and kept Bobby giving him absolute power.

that's exactly what we should have done. once the tail starts to wag the dog you are fucked.

if fergie can banish beckham, nistlrooy and stam and win title after title then so can we with our mard arses.

whoever they are.

The tail didn't wag the dog. That's a proper disrespectful thing to say about the owners who have given us the amazing success over the last few years. Mancini got sacked because he deserved it. Get over it.

 

[bobmcfc]

Mancini had to go. You don't give the owner an ultimatum and survive.

The issue is Pellegrini. He is inept. Not clueless like Hughes - just inept.

He has turned the best defence in the league (one of the best -even without Kompany) into a leaky colander. Any manager who uses defensive tactics as he does is asking for trouble in this day and age.

Ger shot now before it is too late.

Get a grip.

Our 'best defence' has had 7 different starting lineups due to a combination of injury and lack of form and even ability........we have also introduced a new centre half who has never stepped foot in the league.

But go ahead,pin those facts on Pellegrini and use them as a stick if it makes you feel better.

Its very simple,once injuries clear up and he has the luxury of another transfer window to address our weaknesses/fuck ups and remove those past their sell by date,this team will be consistently awesome.

I'm not happy with our start and i wont be giving Pellegrini any special dispensation,however,i wont be judgeing the man until he's had a fair opportunity to rectify the issues that began before his appointment.

Who is moving on and who are we buying ? I'm sure there are many in here who would see which players would address those weaknesses

 

[football-fan]

Re: Clueless manager

Before taking the OP too seriously it may be worth considering these previous posts (about Negredo):

15-Aug


16-Sep


03-Oct


A knee jerker of epic proportions.

As for the clueless manager, his changes actually made a difference, bringing Navas on, and later Zab, made us much more threatening down the right hand side and had we had more players in the box we might have had a chance of scoring. Richards was shocking yesterday and it was the right decision to replace him.

As for the initial selections, many would argue Kolarov has been our best left back this season so you can't really argue with that. Richards annd Zabaleta have rotated in the last few games with decent results and Sunderland's aerial threat means Richards wasn't a stupid selection. Lescott was the only choice at centre half. Navas hasn't been in great form recently and so Milner's industry and fight was probably selected as a better option, plus he could cover for Richards who tends to take a while to track back. Fernandinho was injured and with Rodwell's fitness a doubt playing Garcia becomes the only option once you'd picked Milner out wide.

Listen mate a couple of tongue in cheek remarks RE Lambert but Negredo is ok at best for me, so why kneejerk ? I think 20 pages mainly agreeing will tell you otherwise.

Big surprise, we lose a game and all the dimwits, pessimists and guys that can't get over the fact Mancini was sacked are out in force on Bluemoon, it's more predictable than us losing 1-0 at the Stadium of Light.

Your thread title is "Clueless manager" and other than the Bayern game I can't think of one decision which can't be justified with a well reasoned argument. You may not agree with all of his decisions but that doesn't make him clueless. You calling Negredo the 'Spanish Grant Holt' does.

Really ??

- Playing Garcia in front of Rodwell constantly ( absolutly there can not be NO EXCUSE on that )
- Not giving a 32 mil EURO striker 1 in 3 games at least against weeker teams, like Norwich which he knows City will win anyway ( a striker which is wanted by CL finalists Dortmund ) and forcing him for a move out
- not giving Jovetic who was Biggest star in Italy proper games. He WAS NOT injured all the time. He had few small injuries.
- On a press conference he was asked if anybody else is injured except Kompany. He said No No. When reporter had asked him what about Jovetic. He said oh Dzovetik too yes yes ( and smiled ) , Is that normal. He thinks one of Italys biggest star as just carling cup games player obvious.
- he is to predictable he always plays 4/4/2 and he only change to 4/5/1 against very strong teams away. His rotation is mininal and by doing so he mad team VULNERABLE too PREDICTABLE and with some UNHAPPY players with lack of rotation.
- He does not have a PLAN B

 

[FantasyIreland]

Article by Herbert.Apologies if this has been by posted already.......

Somewhere near the Sea of Marmara, Roberto Mancini could afford himself a self-satisfied smile on Sunday. The new Galatasaray manager said after his Manchester City side lost for the second successive time at Sunderland’s Stadium of Light last Boxing Day that he never wanted to visit the place again. Though he should have been careful what he wished for, a fourth league away defeat in six for City is the kind of record that belongs to the relegation-threatened ranks of the Premier League, not the richest.


It would be easy to conclude that City are not moving on from the Mancini era, if the initial 11 games of this Premier League season provided any evidence of infallibility from one or two of the other challengers. A win for Arsenal at Manchester United on Sunday would have delivered the leaders a nine-point lead over City – and the beginnings of something unassailable from an Etihad perspective. But United’s victory created a more level picture: a six-point gap between first and eighth, which in the current landscape really is nothing. Six of those eight teams are divided by three points.

Do not expect any club to pull clear immediately when domestic business resumes next week, either. The United manager, David Moyes, was talking once again on Sunday night of expecting another “bloody nose” or two and success amid such a group of flawed contenders may be a matter of digging out little pockets of consistency. The fundamental point is that City possess the best squad, man for man. The title is by no means beyond them.

The gulf in their performances home and way is startling for all that. A reputation for vulnerability can quickly take hold and opponents are certainly pumped up with belief when it comes to playing at home to Manuel Pellegrini’s players, even though City’s latest opponents were deeply unambitious on Sunday. It was like the Alamo at the Stadium of Light after Sunderland had taken the lead.

City’s flaw – and all eight of those top eight sides have one – is the lack of depth when Pellegrini’s first choices are injured. Their laments about injuries did bear scrutiny on Wearside. Absent were their first-choice centre-backs, Vincent Kompany and Matija Nastasic, and midfielders David Silva and Fernandinho, whose understanding with Yaya Touré has been developing. They lack elite replacements, too. Martin Demichelis, with his lack of pace, has been a poor alternative to Pellegrini’s first choice for defensive cover in the summer – Real Madrid’s Pepe . Though Stevan Jovetic and Jesus Navas (left) seemed to offer an embarrassment of options when they came through the door in the close season, the pair have barely played – just one Premier League start each.

Injuries have plagued Jovetic but Navas – who was anticipated as the player to give City the width they have hitherto lacked – has not yet looked capable of commanding the field in the Premier League. A study by EPL Index has highlighted Navas’s failure to take men on. He has only attempted two dribbles this season and has a crossing accuracy of 33 per cent, while Alvaro Negredo, City’s other signing from Seville, has figures which show how quickly he has prospered in England: 10 attempted dribbles and a crossing accuracy of 40 per cent.

This is curious. It was Negredo, a similar striker to Edin Dzeko, who had seemed more destined to struggle. The data also suggests Navas has not been given the ball in advanced wide positions. In this transition period, it looks as though City are struggling to change from Mancini’s narrower style – with Silva and Samir Nasri wanting to come inside. Navas has certainly been signed to create not score. He did not find the net once in La Liga for Seville last season and has scored only 35 goals in his 401 career appearances. Pellegrini needs service for him.

The Chilean manager does seem to have the capacity that Mancini lacked to make players want to run through walls for him. Micah Richards provided a sense of that last week when, in an enlightening interview, he observed that his team-mate and friend Joe Hart was unhappy to be out of the team but respected Pellegrini’s straightforward way of delivering the decision to him.

The progress towards the Champions League knockout stage – so far beyond Mancini for so long – also matters more than anything in the scheme of things to City’s Abu Dhabi owners, with their pursuit of global profile. It would also be wrong to characterise City as defensively more deficient under Pellegrini: they have conceded five goals fewer than at the same stage last season.

We can expect them – still supreme at home – to beat Tottenham Hotspur and Swansea City in their next Premier League games. And we can then anticipate anything when they face West Bromwich and Southampton away. This eighth place is not a crisis, though. City are comfortably in the picture and as equipped as anyone to make their move.

 

[mancity1]

Mancini had to go. You don't give the owner an ultimatum and survive.

The issue is Pellegrini. He is inept. Not clueless like Hughes - just inept.

He has turned the best defence in the league (one of the best -even without Kompany) into a leaky colander. Any manager who uses defensive tactics as he does is asking for trouble in this day and age.

Ger shot now before it is too late.

Get a grip.

Our 'best defence' has had 7 different starting lineups due to a combination of injury and lack of form and even ability........we have also introduced a new centre half who has never stepped foot in the league.

But go ahead,pin those facts on Pellegrini and use them as a stick if it makes you feel better.

Its very simple,once injuries clear up and he has the luxury of another transfer window to address our weaknesses/fuck ups and remove those past their sell by date,this team will be consistently awesome.

I'm not happy with our start and i wont be giving Pellegrini any special dispensation,however,i wont be judgeing the man until he's had a fair opportunity to rectify the issues that began before his appointment.

Who is moving on and who are we buying ? I'm sure there are many in here who would see which players would address those weaknesses

I think the majority on here think Richards , Clichy , Garcia, Dzeko , Hart, Rodwell , Kolorov, Lescott will be shipped out over the next two windows.

Sinclair will move on as well of course.

Easier said than done of course and a lot to replace 5 players who took part against QPR in May 2012 and only 1.5-2 seasons on.

yaya , silva , nasri, negrdo, jovetic , ferni , navas, aguerro and hopefully a fit VK , Pants ( second keeper ) , Zabba, Demi, Nasty to stay on hopefully until 2015 at least.