Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[Anonymous]

Yet realistically - Hart's dropped, Tevez is gone, Kompany is very injury prone and Yaya is arguably waning. Aguero supposedly didn't want to play under Pellegrini either.

Sometimes it's better the manager has absolute power than the players.

Yes, Yaya looks on the wane and Aguero clearly doesn't want to play under Pellegrini. We should've gotten rid of them all and kept Bobby giving him absolute power.

 

[franksinatra]

And when did any of the Mancini haters on here ever let the facts get in the way?

-- Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:55 am --



Spot on.
And the penny is just starting to drop with a few on here.

Listened to Ian Cheeseman last night at the local branch meeting, he said the players were against Mancini, he`d pissed off Aguero, Hart, Tevez, Yaya, Kompany, and Silva. etc which is pretty much the heart of our team. looking at the way we dissolved towards the later stages of last season i think what he said might have some validity.

Mate please don't let the facts get in the way of a good old fashioned whinge about dearly departed Bob.

And anyway you'll get the same answer I got last season. Sell/sack anyone but Bob stays. He's the boss. The don. The godfather. Shame our wonderful owners didn't agree.

I would believe Sergio Aguero over Ian Cheeseman and he denied there was any problem with Mancini. Let us have some honesty in the debate. We were told Mancinis biggest crime was criticising players in public. So what do we think of Pellegrini stating Joe Hart has been "making too many mistakes for a long time"? Similarly Barry was not impressed with his treatment either being left out of the pre-season tour. These issues swing both ways.

 

[mancity1]

And when did any of the Mancini haters on here ever let the facts get in the way?

-- Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:55 am --



Spot on.
And the penny is just starting to drop with a few on here.

Listened to Ian Cheeseman last night at the local branch meeting, he said the players were against Mancini, he`d pissed off Aguero, Hart, Tevez, Yaya, Kompany, and Silva. etc which is pretty much the heart of our team. looking at the way we dissolved towards the later stages of last season i think what he said might have some validity.

Mate please don't let the facts get in the way of a good old fashioned whinge about dearly departed Bob.

And anyway you'll get the same answer I got last season. Sell/sack anyone but Bob stays. He's the boss. The don. The godfather. Shame our wonderful owners didn't agree.

Not sure why RM still gets as much airtime on this forum as MP does.

Both Mancini inners and outers and those who care neither way need to move on.

If we come up against Galatasaray in the knock out stage fair enough but can we leave it to that timeline.

 

[Skashion]

his last 8 away games in charge yielded 2 wins, 2 draws and 4 defeats

Not true.

In reverse order:

Wigan (Wembley) L
Swansea D
Spurs L
Chelsea (Wembley) W
United W
Everton L
Villa W
Southampton L
QPR D

Forgot Chelsea in the semi, soz. Otherwise exactly as claimed, as far as I can see.......

So other than one of your claimed defeats transitioning to a win as if by magic... The same also applied whether you left out the neutral venues but included Stoke away in the cup or whether you went for league only. It was just a wrong stat.

 

[Anonymous]

These issues swing both ways.

No they don't - because other than a collection of grown up children on the internet, nobody gives a shit about the Italian. He's history, as are the reasons he was unceremoniously sacked before the season was even over.

Pellegrini deserves a chance but a tiny minority on here aren't prepared to give it to him. It's their business, but it won't change the past or the future.

 

[without a dream]

Listened to Ian Cheeseman last night at the local branch meeting, he said the players were against Mancini, he`d pissed off Aguero, Hart, Tevez, Yaya, Kompany, and Silva. etc which is pretty much the heart of our team. looking at the way we dissolved towards the later stages of last season i think what he said might have some validity.

Mate please don't let the facts get in the way of a good old fashioned whinge about dearly departed Bob.

And anyway you'll get the same answer I got last season. Sell/sack anyone but Bob stays. He's the boss. The don. The godfather. Shame our wonderful owners didn't agree.

Not sure why RM still gets as much airtime on this forum as MP does.

Both Mancini inners and outers and those who care neither way need to move on.

If we come up against Galatasaray in the knock out stage fair enough but can we leave it to that timeline.

The only way to stop Mancini being brought up on here is for our away performances to improve massively so we can all have a circle jerk about how brilliantly we're playing and we're going to piss the league. While we continue to struggle it's inevitable that people will compare and contrast with the previous manager even if it's not helpful.

 

[sky tot]

Yaya is arguably waning. Aguero supposedly didn't want to play under Pellegrini either.

Ha ha , sure yaya just won our player of the month ??

 

[football-fan]

Despite it being factually correct mate it puts a slightly favourable slant when you look at the whole season in general so far.
Shite away from home in the league
Great at home in the league
Solid enough in the CL away and at home bar the Munich debacle which the gaffer got massively wrong.Of course we can look at stats all day long and read into them however we want but the cold hard facts are that we have gone backwards results wise away from home this season-no matter how well we have performed.

How is it a "slightly favourable slant", its fact. Only "solid enough away in the CL" ? Its a 100% record, did you expect better ? Did you expect it at all ? As I said, there just needs to be some perspective, and not such ridiculous knee jerk reactions. ignoring Chelsea, our away league form is poor, and the the vast majority agree.

Favourable because you used the last 7 games only as a marker.
CL-With respect it was the easiest group possible bar Bayern,nobody can deny that.
Home form has been good for years now.
Perspective is all very well mate,but how long do we keep saying "it was just one of those days" etc etc.
Away form in my opinion will be the definer as regards his position.
Fact-We have regressed away from home.4 points from a potential 18 is regression in anyones book.

ALL TRUE +

- Mancini had made this years CL group so easy by having good reults ( ironically )
- Mancini did ROTATE the players. By doing that he gain unpredictability and he made more players ready for games. Pellegrini is to predictable. Every coach knows his team against Tottenham will be ( Hart - Zabaleta, Kompany/Demichelis , Nastasic , Clichy - Silva, Fernandinho, YAYA, Nasri - Aguero Negredo ). To be predictable is not good in TOP football. Mancinics often rotations meant that he was unpredictable.
- Pellegrini is coaching this club as a small team ( like Malaga ). It WONT work in big club. You can not have 11 automatic starters and few SUBS in a team of 20 + good players. HE is the reason of Dzeko going, the next ones will be soon Jovetic, Milner, ... It was the reason he was not Real Madrid coach
- Mancini was alone against team managment. It was tougher for him.
- Mancini had a GUT to change things when it is rough. Even to take Tevez out. For that my friends you need bals of steal. Pellegrini just stand there as he does not know what to do.
- Mancini HAD plan B. Pellegrini does not have it. He plays THE SAME at home and at away games. Only thing he changes against very strong teams like Chelsea away he plays 4/5/1 not 4/4/2. That is not plan B. When his plan A dont work he is clueless
- It is a SHAME that he forced Dzeko for a move, a player which is wanted by curent champion league finalist Dortmund to be ther main man is indead very bad player
- and i have not said half the things about the guy

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Listened to Ian Cheeseman last night at the local branch meeting, he said the players were against Mancini, he`d pissed off Aguero, Hart, Tevez, Yaya, Kompany, and Silva. etc which is pretty much the heart of our team. looking at the way we dissolved towards the later stages of last season i think what he said might have some validity.

Mate please don't let the facts get in the way of a good old fashioned whinge about dearly departed Bob.

And anyway you'll get the same answer I got last season. Sell/sack anyone but Bob stays. He's the boss. The don. The godfather. Shame our wonderful owners didn't agree.

I would believe Sergio Aguero over Ian Cheeseman and he denied there was any problem with Mancini. Let us have some honesty in the debate. We were told Mancinis biggest crime was criticising players in public. So what do we think of Pellegrini stating Joe Hart has been "making too many mistakes for a long time"? Similarly Barry was not impressed with his treatment either being left out of the pre-season tour. These issues swing both ways.

Aguero has said nothing,neither has ya ya or silva

 

[Heart.net]

Let us have some honesty in the debate. We were told Mancinis biggest crime was criticising players in public. So what do we think of Pellegrini stating Joe Hart has been "making too many mistakes for a long time"? Similarly Barry was not impressed with his treatment either being left out of the pre-season tour. These issues swing both ways.

I'm pretty sure Pellegrini was protecting Joe Hart by saying he needed to have a 'rest' as opposed to criticizing him for his performances.