Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[jimharri]

Chelsea should of been out of sight by half time with the game over

Que?

Granted they had a couple of decent chances, Torres shinning it over and the one that hit the bar, but I would say that it's a tas harsh to make the assumption that every half decent chance a team has should go in. If you use that logic you could say we should have had 4 or 5 in the second half.

The one that hit the bar came out of the blue and couldn't really be described as a ''chance''. However, you're being VERY generous to Torres when you describe his miss as from a ''half decent'' chance; it was a sitter, which he should have buried!

 

[Kazzydeyna]

I don't think Pellegrini places as little emphasis on defence as people seem to think. He believes in defending from the front, high pressing etc. This is what Barca did when they were the worlds best and it is what Bayern do. To counter teams that do high press you require composure on the ball and high technical ability. It is what Barca had, it is what all the top teams have. When you see the way Bayern play their way out of trouble and all the great teams have it is the perfect way to play. The only way it is undone is a long hopeful ball over the top that the opposition gets lucky with. It is the perfect way to dominate and force the opposition.

This is what Pellegrini will do with City, he preferred Garcia at CB to Lescott etc - why? Because he is composed on the ball. Demichelis is also a composed defender. Kompany and Nastasic are as well. He wants possession football with high pressing. The team are making individual errors but they are still learning as a unit. It is a complete contrast to how they were playing. When they learn to move as a unit and press and each player understands their role then we will be even better. Our attacking play is miles ahead of what it was. We pass and move and have lots of different options. We use the ball quickly which is where we struggled.

It is early days and we have suffered from individual errors and injury problems. Comparatively we are on the same trajectory as last season in terms of who we have played and our results. But from our performances we deserve better. That is positive. Should we have deserved to lose or had we been playing badly I would be concerned. The improvements will come and the luck too. This latest error will give the players that final kick up the arse. Hart may be dropped, I would actually play him in the league cup this week and see how he responds. But I think he needs to be punished with a spell on the bench just to know that he needs to improve. Everything else has failed. Kompany hopefully is near a return and I really think we will start to kick on considerably.

Cracking post mate ... not for the first time. You're fast becoming one of my favourite posters!

Being one of BS' favourite posters is a bit like being the best looking fella in the burns unit.

 

[Ray78]

No point in throwing Pellegrini on the scrapheap just yet as some of our ailments haven't been down to the new manager. We have won trophies but it hasn't been as smooth as it ought to be.

 

[rastus]

I don't think Pellegrini places as little emphasis on defence as people seem to think. He believes in defending from the front, high pressing etc. This is what Barca did when they were the worlds best and it is what Bayern do. To counter teams that do high press you require composure on the ball and high technical ability. It is what Barca had, it is what all the top teams have. When you see the way Bayern play their way out of trouble and all the great teams have it is the perfect way to play. The only way it is undone is a long hopeful ball over the top that the opposition gets lucky with. It is the perfect way to dominate and force the opposition.

This is what Pellegrini will do with City, he preferred Garcia at CB to Lescott etc - why? Because he is composed on the ball. Demichelis is also a composed defender. Kompany and Nastasic are as well. He wants possession football with high pressing. The team are making individual errors but they are still learning as a unit. It is a complete contrast to how they were playing. When they learn to move as a unit and press and each player understands their role then we will be even better. Our attacking play is miles ahead of what it was. We pass and move and have lots of different options. We use the ball quickly which is where we struggled.

It is early days and we have suffered from individual errors and injury problems. Comparatively we are on the same trajectory as last season in terms of who we have played and our results. But from our performances we deserve better. That is positive. Should we have deserved to lose or had we been playing badly I would be concerned. The improvements will come and the luck too. This latest error will give the players that final kick up the arse. Hart may be dropped, I would actually play him in the league cup this week and see how he responds. But I think he needs to be punished with a spell on the bench just to know that he needs to improve. Everything else has failed. Kompany hopefully is near a return and I really think we will start to kick on considerably.

Sorry but the way he set up against Bayern was a shambles, but he is learning which is positive.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Chelsea should of been out of sight by half time with the game over

Que?

Granted they had a couple of decent chances, Torres shinning it over and the one that hit the bar, but I would say that it's a tas harsh to make the assumption that every half decent chance a team has should go in. If you use that logic you could say we should have had 4 or 5 in the second half.

The one that hit the bar came out of the blue and couldn't really be described as a ''chance''. However, you're being VERY generous to Torres when you describe his miss as from a ''half decent'' chance; it was a sitter, which he should have buried!

Of course he should have buried it, however there is such a thing as a goalkeeper who when flying out made him snatch at the chance, and it was a bouncing ball as opposed to one on the floor which he would have been able to just sidefoot in.

My point was more clarifying that the general assumption of anything qualified as a half chance going in would be the same for us in the second half - Garcia's header, Silva's shot, Sergio's chip etc etc.

 

[OB1]

Brought NOTHING new to the team.

We have same exact issues we had under Mancini. Plus has almost zero passion on the sidelines.

Sorry, but his signing will turn out a failure.

That's just not true Eagles.
He has brought us back the keystone cops defending of the Mark Hughes era.
At least give him some credit for that.

And Pearce had all the passion you could wish for......

FFS this thread and it's topic wouldn't be mentioned if it wasn't for the bollock dropped between Hart and Nasty yesterday, we'd all be lauding him for a superb performance and how unlucky we were not to have got the 3 points.

Bluemoon the home of the knee jerk..........................

Bluemoon is the home of all sorts of jerks.

 

[cibaman]

Brought NOTHING new to the team.

We have same exact issues we had under Mancini. Plus has almost zero passion on the sidelines.

Sorry, but his signing will turn out a failure.

That's just not true Eagles.
He has brought us back the keystone cops defending of the Mark Hughes era.
At least give him some credit for that.

And Pearce had all the passion you could wish for......

FFS this thread and it's topic wouldn't be mentioned if it wasn't for the bollock dropped between Hart and Nasty yesterday, we'd all be lauding him for a superb performance and how unlucky we were not to have got the 3 points.

Bluemoon the home of the knee jerk..........................

Ditto Cardiff & Villa. Its the repetition that's the problem

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Chelsea should of been out of sight by half time with the game over

Que?

Granted they had a couple of decent chances, Torres shinning it over and the one that hit the bar, but I would say that it's a tas harsh to make the assumption that every half decent chance a team has should go in. If you use that logic you could say we should have had 4 or 5 in the second half.

The one that hit the bar came out of the blue and couldn't really be described as a ''chance''. However, you're being VERY generous to Torres when you describe his miss as from a ''half decent'' chance; it was a sitter, which he should have buried!

Correct
Was just pointing out we rode our luck with Torres missing that sitter & when he hit the woodwork
As I said before we came back pretty strong & deserved a point

 

[franksinatra]

That's just not true Eagles.
He has brought us back the keystone cops defending of the Mark Hughes era.
At least give him some credit for that.

And Pearce had all the passion you could wish for......

FFS this thread and it's topic wouldn't be mentioned if it wasn't for the bollock dropped between Hart and Nasty yesterday, we'd all be lauding him for a superb performance and how unlucky we were not to have got the 3 points.

Bluemoon the home of the knee jerk..........................

Ditto Cardiff & Villa. Its the repetition that's the problem

We are starting to sound like the team at the bottom of the league blaming bad luck as the reason for our poor results.

We made plenty of individual errors on previous seasons but the team were a couple of goals to the good at this point or had the resilience to rescue the situation. You lose games because you deserve too and performances are only really good if they include all elements of the game such as defending. Our defending at Villa and Cardiff was terrible and we were equally poor yesterday. It is becoming laughable how these performances are being lauded as good performances even though we did not have the basic organisation or practiced the fundamentals of defending. It seems that having 55% possession is considered a good performance regardless of how the team defends and the chances the opposition creates.

 

[jimharri]

Que?

Granted they had a couple of decent chances, Torres shinning it over and the one that hit the bar, but I would say that it's a tas harsh to make the assumption that every half decent chance a team has should go in. If you use that logic you could say we should have had 4 or 5 in the second half.

The one that hit the bar came out of the blue and couldn't really be described as a ''chance''. However, you're being VERY generous to Torres when you describe his miss as from a ''half decent'' chance; it was a sitter, which he should have buried!

Correct
Was just pointing out we rode our luck with Torres missing that sitter & when he hit the woodwork
As I said before we came back pretty strong & deserved a point

Spot on. Even the ''Special Ego'' said the same thing.