Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[OB1]

And Pearce had all the passion you could wish for......

FFS this thread and it's topic wouldn't be mentioned if it wasn't for the bollock dropped between Hart and Nasty yesterday, we'd all be lauding him for a superb performance and how unlucky we were not to have got the 3 points.

Bluemoon the home of the knee jerk..........................

Ditto Cardiff & Villa. Its the repetition that's the problem

We are starting to sound like the team at the bottom of the league blaming bad luck as the reason for our poor results.

We made plenty of individual errors on previous seasons but the team were a couple of goals to the good at this point or had the resilience to rescue the situation. You lose games because you deserve too and performances are only really good if they include all elements of the game such as defending. Our defending at Villa and Cardiff was terrible and we were equally poor yesterday. It is becoming laughable how these performances are being lauded as good performances even though we did not have the basic organisation or practiced the fundamentals of defending. It seems that having 55% possession is considered a good performance regardless of how the team defends and the chances the opposition creates.

We aren't conceding lots of chances to our opponents in the league. The most shots we have conceded in a league game was 14 to United. Chelsea managed 12 against us.

In fact, we have conceded less shots per game than any team in the league so far.

 

[franksinatra]

Ditto Cardiff & Villa. Its the repetition that's the problem

We are starting to sound like the team at the bottom of the league blaming bad luck as the reason for our poor results.

We made plenty of individual errors on previous seasons but the team were a couple of goals to the good at this point or had the resilience to rescue the situation. You lose games because you deserve too and performances are only really good if they include all elements of the game such as defending. Our defending at Villa and Cardiff was terrible and we were equally poor yesterday. It is becoming laughable how these performances are being lauded as good performances even though we did not have the basic organisation or practiced the fundamentals of defending. It seems that having 55% possession is considered a good performance regardless of how the team defends and the chances the opposition creates.

We aren't conceding lots of chances to our opponents in the league. The most shots we have conceded in a league game was 14 to United. Chelsea managed 12 against us.

In comparison to previous seasons we look a lot more vulnerable. Our defence has a worst record than the likes of Hull, West Ham and Stoke who are in the bottom four. This would have been unimaginable prior to the season. For the last three seasons we have had the best defence this year we are 11th.

It could improve over the course of the season but at the moment it is poor and the number of goals conceded are testimony to this.

 

[OB1]

We are starting to sound like the team at the bottom of the league blaming bad luck as the reason for our poor results.

We made plenty of individual errors on previous seasons but the team were a couple of goals to the good at this point or had the resilience to rescue the situation. You lose games because you deserve too and performances are only really good if they include all elements of the game such as defending. Our defending at Villa and Cardiff was terrible and we were equally poor yesterday. It is becoming laughable how these performances are being lauded as good performances even though we did not have the basic organisation or practiced the fundamentals of defending. It seems that having 55% possession is considered a good performance regardless of how the team defends and the chances the opposition creates.

We aren't conceding lots of chances to our opponents in the league. The most shots we have conceded in a league game was 14 to United. Chelsea managed 12 against us.

In comparison to previous seasons we look a lot more vulnerable. Our defence has a worst record than the likes of Hull, West Ham and Stoke who are in the bottom four. This would have been unimaginable prior to the season. For the last three seasons we have had the best defence this year we are 11th.

It could improve over the course of the season but at the moment it is poor and the number of goals conceded are testimony to this.

Just edited my comment above to point out that we are conceding less shots per game than any other team in the league.

 

[franksinatra]

We aren't conceding lots of chances to our opponents in the league. The most shots we have conceded in a league game was 14 to United. Chelsea managed 12 against us.

In comparison to previous seasons we look a lot more vulnerable. Our defence has a worst record than the likes of Hull, West Ham and Stoke who are in the bottom four. This would have been unimaginable prior to the season. For the last three seasons we have had the best defence this year we are 11th.

It could improve over the course of the season but at the moment it is poor and the number of goals conceded are testimony to this.

Just edited my comment above to point out that we are conceding less shots per game than any other team in the league.

So what does that equate to. Is our defence from that stat performing better than Southamptons for instance?. Do we have the best defence in the league then currently?

If not what can we deduce from this information?

How do you think the defence is performing?

 

[CatMan]

In comparison to previous seasons we look a lot more vulnerable. Our defence has a worst record than the likes of Hull, West Ham and Stoke who are in the bottom four. This would have been unimaginable prior to the season. For the last three seasons we have had the best defence this year we are 11th.

It could improve over the course of the season but at the moment it is poor and the number of goals conceded are testimony to this.

Just edited my comment above to point out that we are conceding less shots per game than any other team in the league.

So what does that equate to. Is our defence from that stat performing better than Southamptons for instance?. Do we have the best defence in the league then currently?

If not what can we deduce from this information?

How do you think the defence is performing?

I'll tell you what it means if less shots on our goal is producing more goals against us than teams that have more shots on their goal; it means what we already knew and that's Joe Hart is shite!

 

[OB1]

In comparison to previous seasons we look a lot more vulnerable. Our defence has a worst record than the likes of Hull, West Ham and Stoke who are in the bottom four. This would have been unimaginable prior to the season. For the last three seasons we have had the best defence this year we are 11th.

It could improve over the course of the season but at the moment it is poor and the number of goals conceded are testimony to this.

Just edited my comment above to point out that we are conceding less shots per game than any other team in the league.

So what does that equate to. Is our defence from that stat performing better than Southamptons for instance?. Do we have the best defence in the league then currently?

If not what can we deduce from this information?

How do you think the defence is performing?

Our defence has made too many costly errors which is why the number of goals conceded is higher than the shots against would lead you to expect. However, the way that the team as a whole is playing is not allowing our opponents lots of chances. The system that we are developing is very promising. If we could consistently field our best back four, I'd expect our defensive record to improve rapidly.

 

[franksinatra]

Just edited my comment above to point out that we are conceding less shots per game than any other team in the league.

So what does that equate to. Is our defence from that stat performing better than Southamptons for instance?. Do we have the best defence in the league then currently?

If not what can we deduce from this information?

How do you think the defence is performing?

Our defence has made too many costly errors which is why the number of goals conceded is higher than the shots against would lead you to expect. However, the way that the team as a whole is playing is not allowing our opponents lots of chances. The system that we are developing is very promising. If we could consistently field our best back four, I'd expect our defensive record to improve rapidly.

I would agree with that and say when Kompany returns things will improve. However we are in the here and now and as you agree the defence is not playing well.

The reasons for this is not just individual mistakes, poor organisation also. We saw on Sunday a couple of chipped passes in wide areas lofted into the box and due to the positional play of the defenders led to chances.

I rarely agree with the analysis of MOTD but it did highlight Fernandinho behind the two centre halfs playing the oppostion onside and Demichellis appealing for offside due to a lack of awareness of those around him. Furthermore I think Milner would have been more effective than Garcia yesterday as he would have provided better support to the fullbacks, as he often does for England and City, as these were the areas we struggled with Hazard, Schurlle and Torres' runs.

Many people want a fresh dawn but the system is not too dissimilar to Mancini's. Pellegrini continues to play two upfront, Dzeko is back on the bench and Navas has lost his place to Mancinis preferred formation of Silva and Nasri occupying the flanks as inverted wide players. What has changed is we look less organised and have less of a presence in central midfield without Gareth Barry. Will be sad if we need to sacrifice a striker to accommodate an additional midfielder.

 

[melrose40yarder]

When vinny is back if our defensive shortcomings will need to improve.
Nasty to be taken out so his confidence is not totally destroyed! Pick players on form Clichy having a shocker at the mo Kolorov been ok Put vin and lescott back together drop Joe and buy a new keeper in jan .Going forward we are awesome dont think we have any probs in that dept apart from rotation issues . The manager is going nowhere unless we dont make top4 when the Spainers will have to admit they got it wrong but dont hold ur breath!!

Keep the faith all u blues!! Its not over yet

 

[Matt the Giant]

I wonder if he will go for his former keeper Willy Caballero in the January t-window, one of the 3 best keepers in Spain for over a year now.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

I feel MP is doing well so far. Reasons being

1. We've played some very very high quality stuff going forward.

2. Top scorers in the division

3. Al but qualified from the CL group

4. He seems to have turned Garcia, nasri and kolarov into better players.

5. He is excellent at the media side of it. Doesn't get sucked in like RM always did. Doesn't 'blame' or scapegoat players in public. Doesn't given the sharks any sniff of blood.

Yes we've dropped 7 really silly points but none of those could be directly attributed to MP. They were all either individual and/or team mistakes.

I think it's clear he believes in scoring being more important than clean sheets. I agree with his philosophy as 38 clean sheets would get us fuck all if they were all 0-0 draws. Goals win prizes not clean sheets.

As we've had the best defensive record for 3 years now this re-prioritisation is something we as fans will simply have to adjust to.

When utd lost out to us on GD did they go mental and buy better defenders? Did they fuck they went out and bought more goals. It worked .

Goals win prizes and our bizarre individual mistakes won't continue forever.

i quite like the logic in this post..even though it goes against the grain of my pro bobby mantra.
food for thought.