Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 4)

[allan harper]

Pellegrini should have at least been able to pick up a couple of domestic cups in Spain. He's like another Ranieri not a bad manager but never enough bottle to cross the line. Good enough to get a couple of runners up. He's quite an unlucky manager. Can't quite pass the last step.

Finally a post about Pellegrini!

 

[squirtyflower]

Pellegrini should have at least been able to pick up a couple of domestic cups in Spain. He's like another Ranieri not a bad manager but never enough bottle to cross the line. Good enough to get a couple of runners up. He's quite an unlucky manager. Can't quite pass the last step.

Finally a post about Pellegrini!

As allan alludes to above, finally something other than the bickering

either
Discuss Pellegrini
or
get out of the thread

if the warning isn't heeded then help to do the latter will be swift and painless

 

[Anonymous]

Give him time, I'm worried about our away form, but It's only 6 points at the moment.

 

[NQCitizen]

I never denied his abilities in Spain, and his record too in South America is a worthy one. Mugs do not manage River Plate. The point, though, that I am agreeing with him is that Real and Barca are European giants, let alone giants in their own league, and the finishing order can be predicted as each season begins, just as it could in Scotland before the Rangers demise. There will be the odd occasion when another team breaks the mould such as Ferguson did at Aberdeen, but these interruptions never stand the test of time. For this reason, the point made that Real Madrid's defence record not really being valid is a worthy one, although I will accept that Madrid's defence record did markedly improve from Pellegrinis appointment.

But the finishing order in Spain couldn't be predicted when Pellegrini came second with Villareal and, btw he had a very decent defensive record in some of his seasons at Villareal; especially as he didn't have the resources to match Real Madrid.

He had a very good defensive record at Real Madrid; if you and anyone else wants to dismiss it, go ahead but, as people earlier today wanted to point out about City's defensive record, the goals against column is a fact. It was also a goals against record that was appropriate for Real Madrid.

It does make me chuckle.

"He can't organize a defence!"

"He did ok with Madrid, the last top team he managed."

"Doesn't count. Two horse league."

"He finished 2nd with Villareal."

"Doesn't count. They were .... Errr .... They had three good players. Anyway he's never won a trophy."

"He won several in South America."

"South America! Don't make me laugh."

"Let me guess. Does doesn't count?"

"The only thing that counts is points on the board. We should have a hundred by now."

"We've only played 11 league games."

"So? Top managers find ways to get points on the board."

"The max we could have is 33."

"Fine we should have 33. At least."

"Isn't that a bit unrealistic?"

"Unrealistic! Best squad in the league. Best defence two years running. I want, no I DEMAND, improvements. At this rate we won't even finish in the top 4."

"We're only six points off the top of the league."

"Doesn't count. Our games were all easy. Frank Clark could've gotten us to 33 points by now."

"Admit it' you just don't want to give the guy a chance ...."

"What! how dare you. How fucking dare you pal! I .... I ..... I've got more loyalty points than you. And I say he'll win us fuck all. You hear me! FUCK ALL! He's the Chilean David Moyes except Moyes will finish ahead of him cuz at least Moyes can organize a defence."

Wash, rinse, repeat.

A lot of this is one sided exaggerations of fair points.

Villarreal did have a good team before him, reaching the semis of the uefa.

Pellegrini did finish second but he also finished 5th, 7th and 8th.

His jaunts in Europe were not always as successful as you make out, he made the semis getting through the 16 and QFs on away goals to Rangers and Inter.

Repeatedly Villarreal finished too low in the league to qualify for the CL.

You moan about the standard of discussion yet make up an entirely new narrative for people to nod along to.

 

[Ray78]

But the finishing order in Spain couldn't be predicted when Pellegrini came second with Villareal and, btw he had a very decent defensive record in some of his seasons at Villareal; especially as he didn't have the resources to match Real Madrid.

He had a very good defensive record at Real Madrid; if you and anyone else wants to dismiss it, go ahead but, as people earlier today wanted to point out about City's defensive record, the goals against column is a fact. It was also a goals against record that was appropriate for Real Madrid.

It does make me chuckle.

"He can't organize a defence!"

"He did ok with Madrid, the last top team he managed."

"Doesn't count. Two horse league."

"He finished 2nd with Villareal."

"Doesn't count. They were .... Errr .... They had three good players. Anyway he's never won a trophy."

"He won several in South America."

"South America! Don't make me laugh."

"Let me guess. Does doesn't count?"

"The only thing that counts is points on the board. We should have a hundred by now."

"We've only played 11 league games."

"So? Top managers find ways to get points on the board."

"The max we could have is 33."

"Fine we should have 33. At least."

"Isn't that a bit unrealistic?"

"Unrealistic! Best squad in the league. Best defence two years running. I want, no I DEMAND, improvements. At this rate we won't even finish in the top 4."

"We're only six points off the top of the league."

"Doesn't count. Our games were all easy. Frank Clark could've gotten us to 33 points by now."

"Admit it' you just don't want to give the guy a chance ...."

"What! how dare you. How fucking dare you pal! I .... I ..... I've got more loyalty points than you. And I say he'll win us fuck all. You hear me! FUCK ALL! He's the Chilean David Moyes except Moyes will finish ahead of him cuz at least Moyes can organize a defence."

Wash, rinse, repeat.

A lot of this is one sided exaggerations of fair points.

Villarreal did have a good team before him, reaching the semis of the uefa.

Pellegrini did finish second but he also finished 5th, 7th and 8th.

His jaunts in Europe were not always as successful as you make out, he made the semis getting through the 16 and QFs on away goals to Rangers and Inter.

Repeatedly Villarreal finished too low in the league to qualify for the CL.

You moan about the standard of discussion yet make up an entirely new narrative for people to nod along to.

And Villareal have won nothing even with other managers in charge.<br /><br />-- Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:07 pm --<br /><br />

Pellegrini should have at least been able to pick up a couple of domestic cups in Spain. He's like another Ranieri not a bad manager but never enough bottle to cross the line. Good enough to get a couple of runners up. He's quite an unlucky manager. Can't quite pass the last step.

Pellegrini has won more than Ranieiri if you are using that comparison.

 

[Anonymous]

A lot of this is one sided exaggerations of fair points.

Villarreal did have a good team before him, reaching the semis of the uefa.

Pellegrini did finish second but he also finished 5th, 7th and 8th.

His jaunts in Europe were not always as successful as you make out, he made the semis getting through the 16 and QFs on away goals to Rangers and Inter.

Repeatedly Villarreal finished too low in the league to qualify for the CL.

You moan about the standard of discussion yet make up an entirely new narrative for people to nod along to.

Maybe you should check the voracity of your facts. If you want a discussion then lets have an accurate one. Villareal finished 3rd, 7th, 5th, 2nd, and 5th under Pellegrini in his five years in charge. It's noticeable that two of the times he finished outside the top 4 his team were playing CL football with a squad certainly limited in size. I believe this to be excellent for a club the size of Swansea. His jaunts into Europe you say were "not as successful as you make out". Actually the fact they were playing CL football regularly was in and of itself a success. The fact he always got through the group stages is widely respected because it was a remarkable feat for a club the size of Villareal with the squad of players they have.

So yes, I moan about the standard of discussion. Because posters like you come across as entirely disingenuous in the things you post as "facts".

EDIT:

You also have repeated a few times now that Villareal beat Ranger and Inter on away goals. Is beating a team on away goals not counted a win? Also, who was the manager of Inter Milan when Pellegrini's Villareal put them out of the CL? I've resisted asking you that but since you've now laboured this particular point for a third time I think it's worth noting.

 

[blue ranger]

You are backing yourself into a corner billy with your blind faith in Pellegrini-
- he has turned the premier leagues best defence into a vulnerable shambles
- our hopeless vulnerability to simple balls over the top is beyond laughable
- his continued preference to pick an inept Javi Garcia confuses all city fans
- his blind faith and arrogance in sticking with the old school 4-4-2 formation leaves us vulnerable to more flexible teams, e.g. Bayern
- all we ever see is like for like substitutions. We never see a positive substitution to win the game. Mancini had his faults but last week v Sunderland why not take off a CB in last 30 mins and throw on Dzeko. Instead we get striker on striker off

Mancini has gone - we need to move on. But the engineer has spent £100m and for me we're going backwards. Hope I'm wrong and we turn it around but I'm really not convinced yet.

 

[Anonymous]

You are backing yourself into a corner billy with your blind faith in Pellegrini-

What part of what i've posted above constitutes blind faith? I've said this before, but blind are those people who know fuck all about Pellegrini beyond what they've seen in the last few months, and try and pontificate about what they know when clearly what they know is very very limited. Certainly on the subject of Pellegrini.

he has turned the premier leagues best defence into a vulnerable shambles

- our hopeless vulnerability to simple balls over the top is beyond laughable

Again, lets talk facts. How many goals have been conceded because of nothing more than a simple ball over the top. ie. no mistake on a players' part. Just an easy ball.

- his continued preference to pick an inept Javi Garcia confuses all city fans

You mean when all other options are injured he plays Garcia. Not inept, pragmatic.

- his blind faith and arrogance in sticking with the old school 4-4-2 formation leaves us vulnerable to more flexible teams, e.g. Bayern

The old school 442 we've been playing for 2 years now? Notwithstanding that, Bayern was a fuck up. IMO the only really serious tactical blunder he's made going into a game.

- all we ever see is like for like substitutions. We never see a positive substitution to win the game. Mancini had his faults but last week v Sunderland why not take off a CB in last 30 mins and throw on Dzeko. Instead we get striker on striker off

I'm not a fan of all his substitutions. I do believe he's made some mistakes on that front. But then, I don't know a manager who hasn't or doesn't make those mistakes.

Mancini has gone - we need to move on. But the engineer has spent £100m and for me we're going backwards. Hope I'm wrong and we turn it around but I'm really not convinced yet.

Why do people who criticise Pellegrini inevitably talk about the money we spent this summer. Surely even the dimmest of souls can see we let go of five players (Tevez, Barry, Toure, Balo, and Sinclair) and replaced them with five players (Jovetic, Fernandinho, DeMichelis, Negredo, and Navas). Yes some of them are better than the players they replaced, but it still doesn't warrant the tabloid'esque disingenuous comments about how Pellegrini has spent a hundred million pounds on new players without any acknowledgement that it was spent replacing players who'd left.

I don't think we've gone backwards, far from it. Going back to what you said at the top of your post. I don't feel anymore backed into a corner supporting Pellegrini than those who supported Mancini when it was patently obvious in the last few months of his reign that he was on his way out. I'm surprised that so early in Pellegrini's tenure so many people have backed themselves into a corner where they're convinced we'll "win fuck all" "finish outside the top 4" etc.

 

[The Future's Blue]

Pellegrini is getting the most out of our players at home, giving them the freedom to show themselves and letting some of the attacking flare come out.

Away is a different matter. Teams playing at home need to prove to their fans that they have got fight and that's what's undoing us. We are trying to play in the same manner but are getting sucker punched by dogged teams. This isn't all down to the tactics as we've seen with some shoddy defending but the fact that we are still pressing forward can lead to these mistakes.

Like most managers at the start of their tenure, the verdict is always out until we see some consistency. The play is good but the away results haven't reflected the game we see. Start turning the away form around and we won't be given the oxygen to debate it, but until then, the debate will be had.

I've got faith.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

The reason we are in eighth place is because of the manager,he's in charge and takes the wrap just like the last fella did
His selections & tactics are to blame and not bad luck,injuries & mistakes & every other excuse folk on here churn out
And he needs to button it in front of the camera and stop telling the world how unlucky we are
We lost those games move on & stop moaning gaffer
The title is still ours with the players we have