Discuss Pellegrini

[Damocles]

In regards to Hart, this is probably just me being a dick but as soon as players showing up on TV commercials that aren't part of their contract like Nike or Adidas, or they start a fashion brand/record company/film company, I always think that their top class career is coming to an end. They seem to be focused on other things than "working my bollocks off to get better every single day".

Happened to Ferdinand and Cole too a few years back. They started getting involved heavily in projects outside of football and before you know it they went from world class to wank.
Happened to Lescott too. Was one of our top defenders when his fashion brand was just a few sketches and a dream him and his mate had. Soon as it took off a bit he became wank aswell.

How long has Garcia been an entrepreneur then? ;-)

Joking aside i get your point

Doesn't really account for the various businesses which Vinny is involved in. I think it's very easy to criticise England players because of how high profile they are in England. I daresay if you were to go to Portugal, Spain, and Italy, you'd find some of their biggest international players involved in off the field commercial stuff.

Anyway the discussion on Joe feel moot to me. Think it's nigh on impossible he'll be dropped anytime soon.

Maybe we can just the caveat of "other entertainment industries". I'm aware that people invest in charity work to little detriment and small projects but as soon as the media glare of "more than a footballer" attaches to them, they seem to forget that they are a footballer first.

I'm sure Soriano would term it brand diversification causing a loss of focus on the core product or some such.

Perhaps those on the continent are able to deal with it better as the focus never leaves them and it's just the English players who struggle with it? Either way, they all seem to go wank after they start their little projects

 

[Anonymous]

How long has Garcia been an entrepreneur then? ;-)

Joking aside i get your point

Doesn't really account for the various businesses which Vinny is involved in. I think it's very easy to criticise England players because of how high profile they are in England. I daresay if you were to go to Portugal, Spain, and Italy, you'd find some of their biggest international players involved in off the field commercial stuff.

Anyway the discussion on Joe feel moot to me. Think it's nigh on impossible he'll be dropped anytime soon.

Maybe we can just the caveat of "other entertainment industries". I'm aware that people invest in charity work to little detriment and small projects but as soon as the media glare of "more than a footballer" attaches to them, they seem to forget that they are a footballer first.

I'm sure Soriano would term it brand diversification causing a loss of focus on the core product or some such.

Perhaps those on the continent are able to deal with it better as the focus never leaves them and it's just the English players who struggle with it? Either way, they all seem to go wank after they start their little projects

Vinny owns a music/record company, is involved in film production, and is mentoring one particular artist in Belgium.

I think with regard to England players the problem isn't really what other businesses they're involved in, more the cultural aspects of being a footballer in England. Bottom line is English footballers drink, fuck, and party far more than their top level counterparts in Europe. This is a problem and it's why in my opinion many of them never develop fully or fulfil their potential. Not sure this is the case with Joe mind you, just a general observation.

 

[KingVinnie]

Think we've all overreacted it some people saying lets sell hart the reason we didn't loose 5-0 to the likes of dortmund and real he was making vital saves in each champions league match and YES he does make mistakes but hopefully he can regain his 11-12 form.

Hopefully Pellers got a wake up call this game and can get out all the inconsistencies in the team.

 

[SaddleworthBlueRhino]

Fucking hell, is this really how we're going to go on? Pellegrini being slagged off by Inners, Mancini being slagged off by Outers. I knew it was inevitable on a small-scale level. After all, there are some absolute numpties who refused to support Mancini because they supported Hughes, they were just very few in number. But fook me, really, this is how this forum's going to be from now on after every result? Good result = Outers scoring points. Bad result = Inners scoring points. Get over yourselves and support the club not your fucking egos.

Good post skas
Unfortunately like ducado said it started last week with some point scoring
And as you say it was inevitable it was going to go the other way after a poor display

I think we all just need to get behind the new gaffer.

+3.
All the main forum consists of nowadays is tit-for-tat stupidity, post-match navel gazing and playing the blame game.
Resurrecting old feuds just to prove some arcane point or other.
It's Groundhog Day, Bluemoon style, and it is beyond boring.

+ Me

 

[Chippy_boy]

Fair point but having seen it with his own eyes it's up to him to make sure it dose not happen again

Which takes our little debate full circle back to where I started: I hope Pellers does write it off as being a freak result and one that therefore needs no changes to be made. He will be sadly disappointed by the repeat at Stoke if he falls into that trap.

Did you mean doesn't ?

If he does treat it as a "freak" he will find that "freak" is more common than he thought. Hopefully hughes will have failed to learn lessons about how to play us, and will try to get his stoke team to be open and attacking, but its possible he may finally have learned something, in which case expect a more pullis type of game, and another struggle.

Sorry, yes. I meant I hope he DOESN'T treat it as a freaky one off. Silly typo on my part.

 

[andyhinch]

Good post skas
Unfortunately like ducado said it started last week with some point scoring
And as you say it was inevitable it was going to go the other way after a poor display

I think we all just need to get behind the new gaffer.

+3.
All the main forum consists of nowadays is tit-for-tat stupidity, post-match navel gazing and playing the blame game.
Resurrecting old feuds just to prove some arcane point or other.
It's Groundhog Day, Bluemoon style, and it is beyond boring.

+ Me

Well said.

 

[Plaything of the gods]

There is also evidence that Mancini would have sorted that shower out tactically and gone on to win it.....comfortably

Are you still pissed Norris? It was just a carbon copy of some away games last season

No im still pissed off that we sacked a man who wasnt afraid of having a go at these under performing couldnt give a shit so called footballers
Imagine Grandad Pellers laying into this lot at Carrington today, it willbe like being savaged by a dead sheep

You don't know that. I had heard that he is firm but fair, and not afraid to tackle awkward situations or bench names if they don't perform. What he does NOT do is bad mouth his players in public; good managers don't undermine the people who work for them.

 

[robbieh]

One of the things that may surprise Pelle is the style of play by the lower level teams.

In Spain i have seen teams like Jerez attempt to play football against the likes of Barca and Madrid. It usually ends in disaster with Messi or Ronaldo scoring 5.

Here that doesn't happen. It is commitment and park the bus time. There is absolutely no way Messi would score 50 goals a season here.

MP needs to wake up to this fact pretty quickly. It is not necessarily the beautiful game here. Arsenal can vouch for that. Prgmatism as practiced by Ferguson and Mourinho works better.

 

[stonerblue]

Good post skas
Unfortunately like ducado said it started last week with some point scoring
And as you say it was inevitable it was going to go the other way after a poor display

I think we all just need to get behind the new gaffer.

+3.
All the main forum consists of nowadays is tit-for-tat stupidity, post-match navel gazing and playing the blame game.
Resurrecting old feuds just to prove some arcane point or other.
It's Groundhog Day, Bluemoon style, and it is beyond boring.

+ Me

I'm in.

 

[City_Sean]

One of the things that may surprise Pelle is the style of play by the lower level teams.

In Spain i have seen teams like Jerez attempt to play football against the likes of Barca and Madrid. It usually ends in disaster with Messi or Ronaldo scoring 5.

Here that doesn't happen. It is commitment and park the bus time. There is absolutely no way Messi would score 50 goals a season here.

MP needs to wake up to this fact pretty quickly. It is not necessarily the beautiful game here. Arsenal can vouch for that. Prgmatism as practiced by Ferguson and Mourinho works better.

completely agree, In spain though the culture is different, he will adapt, Im looking forward to stoke away, thats the sort of the test we need.