Discuss Pellegrini...

[BobKowalski]

Exactly. Cardiff and Villa we were pretty comfortably in the driving seat at 2-1 and individual errors cost us 3 points and then ended up costing us a point. Same at the Chelsea and Liverpool game we worked hard to get back into both games after going behind and then errors have cost us again.

In any review of this or any season I would have thought all aspects will be looked at including the number of unforced player errors. The home game against Chelsea with MDM in midfield was an error in set up/personnel and had a big impact as that was the game where a win would have seen us take a firm grip on the title race. Arsenal away. Excellent first half. Second half Arsenal respond and we seem unable to respond in turn. Again a win would have been a big step toward winning the title.

Yes Kompany 'cost' us the crucial third goal on Sunday but the match was lost in that 30 minutes where we simply couldn't cope with their intensity, movement or shape. You cannot give your main title rival a 2 goal head start. That opening period was crucial and we simply didn't prepare for it tactically or mentally.

3 big games and 1 point.

Finally the FA Cup tie against Wigan. The really annoying thing about Wigan is that in the previous tie Pellers did a number of Mourinho just as much as Mourinho did on Pellers in the League game. The hard work had been done. So what did we do? Decide to have a fans open day complete with water slide on the pitch because no fucker turned up to do battle with that Wigan side.

We have an excellent team and under Pellers we have played some excellent football. We can still win this title as Mourinho will not want to lose out to Liverpool any more than we do because if Liverpool, a side that finished 7th last year, do win the bloody thing then hard questions can be asked about him as well as Pellers as to how the fuck they both managed to let that happen and never mind your little ponies, transitional periods, and 'its my first time in the PL' bollocks.

Losing out to ManU under Taggart is one thing. But losing out to Liverpool under Rodgers with a Chelsea reject striker and Kolo Toure in the back 4 is a shooting offence never mind a sackable one.

Thankfully I can see Jose doing a number on Liverpool and can also see 'pool fucking up elsewhere so I am not that concerned but I am more concerned then I should be in the middle of fucking April.

Tbh mate i think you've forgot the main one there, can you imagine a certain Victor Moses turning back up for pre season training in July at Chelsea with a PL winners medal round his neck. Now that would make Jose look rather silly.

Cheers. Just made my day :)

 

[bluemc1]

Losing out to ManU under Taggart is one thing. But losing out to Liverpool under Rodgers with a Chelsea reject striker and Kolo Toure in the back 4 is a shooting offence never mind a sackable one.

I'd expect that comment from a two bit tabloid hack on the Sunday Supplement if i'm honest.

yeah bit OTT it could be put another way, With an England international striker and a 3 time PL winning defender in the back 4

 

[Anonymous]

You could try addressing the truth it contains, rather than making jibes about where it originates.
I don't think Pellegrini has pulled up any trees this season given the squad at his disposal, and if his predecessor had stayed and had a similar one, then you would have had the knives out long before now.
And you would have had a point.
I'm getting tired of hearing the same old mantra of injuries/bad luck/ bent refs/period of adjustment being wheeled out on here ad nauseum.
For what it's worth, I don't think Pellegrini is a great manager either - I consider him competent, but nothing more.
He doesn't make things happen - too many times he responds to situations rather than pre-empting them, and when he is caught out it costs us dear at this level.
That said, I think he'll get another season, but if he fails to deliver either the Premiership or the Champions League then he will be gone, and rightly so.

We're a million miles ahead of last season. That's all that should matter but it doesn't to posters like you and BobK, De Niro, TGR, etc because you're all still lamenting the soon to be sacked again one. But please do keep popping up here and posting as it gives me a good laugh!

 

[Danielmanc]

You could try addressing the truth it contains, rather than making jibes about where it originates.
I don't think Pellegrini has pulled up any trees this season given the squad at his disposal, and if his predecessor had stayed and had a similar one, then you would have had the knives out long before now.
And you would have had a point.
I'm getting tired of hearing the same old mantra of injuries/bad luck/ bent refs/period of adjustment being wheeled out on here ad nauseum.
For what it's worth, I don't think Pellegrini is a great manager either - I consider him competent, but nothing more.
He doesn't make things happen - too many times he responds to situations rather than pre-empting them, and when he is caught out it costs us dear at this level.
That said, I think he'll get another season, but if he fails to deliver either the Premiership or the Champions League then he will be gone, and rightly so.

We're a million miles ahead of last season. That's all that should matter but it doesn't to posters like you and BobK, De Niro, TGR, etc because you're all still lamenting the soon to be sacked again one. But please do keep popping up here and posting as it gives me a good laugh!

Same old from you Billy - you seem obsessed with Mancini.

Doesn't really matter I guess as most will have sussed you as little more than DD's wingman

 

[supercity88]

Losing out to ManU under Taggart is one thing. But losing out to Liverpool under Rodgers with a Chelsea reject striker and Kolo Toure in the back 4 is a shooting offence never mind a sackable one.

I'd expect that comment from a two bit tabloid hack on the Sunday Supplement if i'm honest.

You could try addressing the truth it contains, rather than making jibes about where it originates.
I don't think Pellegrini has pulled up any trees this season given the squad at his disposal, and if his predecessor had stayed and had a similar one, then you would have had the knives out long before now.
And you would have had a point.
I'm getting tired of hearing the same old mantra of injuries/bad luck/ bent refs/period of adjustment being wheeled out on here ad nauseum.
For what it's worth, I don't think Pellegrini is a great manager either - I consider him competent, but nothing more.
He doesn't make things happen - too many times he responds to situations rather than pre-empting them, and when he is caught out it costs us dear at this level.
That said, I think he'll get another season, but if he fails to deliver either the Premiership or the Champions League then he will be gone, and rightly so.

That's an interesting point in terms of how we would feel with Mancini in charge. Funnily enough early in the season I said that whilst I rated Pellegrini as a better manager for us in the longer term, because of the changes at the Rags and Chelsea we had a brilliant opportunity to win the league and that I felt Mancini would probably be more likely to win it. You never know. Mancini wanted Cavani as no.1 target - he wouldn't have got him and we may have had RVP jealousy syndrome round 2 where all our failings were down to that. The players needed a change in managerial terms but we have been inconsistent which is generally what you would expect from a new manager. Chelsea have had the same issues too under Mourinho. I think there is perhaps a little blind faith and optimism - from my part most certainly - in what I feel Pellegrini will achieve at City. I rate him highly and have faith in him a one of the best managers around. The poor results earlier in the season were described as complacency, individual errors etc and as part of the transition. Chelsea have made the same sort of errors despite having a proven manager in this league and elsewhere.

You really do have to give him time. It isn't a simple task to take over a team and instantly get results. That's why it is crazy how well he did at Real in a season in the league. We have progressed in overall terms, even if in the league we are no more dominant. This was a real opportunity to make a mark and cement our place on top of the league. But the switch in manager made that a lot more difficult. I think we've all seen how different our style of play is, and we have seen quite a few players struggle with making the right call. Joe Hart having to play the sweeper role hasn't gone down well. Front foot defending hasn't worked out either - our defenders have struggled to make the challenges required under the pressure that comes as a result of high pressing. So do you say perhaps we should have altered the style until we had better personnel? Or do we stick with it to get the message across and bring players into a settled system? The jury is out on that. After the game in Munich things seemed to click and it seemed like it was worth those initial teething problems. We have still only lost twice in the league in our last 16 or so. The away form has improved generally. We can still win the league dependent on our ability to win the next 6 and the outcome of the other games. Rather than winning the league off our own ability, again we will have been gifted an opportunity to win it despite our mistakes this season and moving forward we need to get to the top and stay there and put a run together.

Another season will tell us a lot more. But if we don't win the league it is a missed opportunity - we haven't managed to battle through and keep a run going. No matter what the circumstances are it will be a disappointment.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Losing out to ManU under Taggart is one thing. But losing out to Liverpool under Rodgers with a Chelsea reject striker and Kolo Toure in the back 4 is a shooting offence never mind a sackable one.

I'd expect that comment from a two bit tabloid hack on the Sunday Supplement if i'm honest.

You could try addressing the truth it contains, rather than making jibes about where it originates.
I don't think Pellegrini has pulled up any trees this season given the squad at his disposal, and if his predecessor had stayed and had a similar one, then you would have had the knives out long before now.
And you would have had a point.
I'm getting tired of hearing the same old mantra of injuries/bad luck/ bent refs/period of adjustment being wheeled out on here ad nauseum.
For what it's worth, I don't think Pellegrini is a great manager either - I consider him competent, but nothing more.
He doesn't make things happen - too many times he responds to situations rather than pre-empting them, and when he is caught out it costs us dear at this level.
That said, I think he'll get another season, but if he fails to deliver either the Premiership or the Champions League then he will be gone, and rightly so.

But don't you think the criticism of Pellegrini is harsh given this is his first season at City and in the PL?

He's won a trophy and he can still win the league. A potential double in his first season with unfamiliar surroundings. The football is more pleasing to the eye, IMO, and the players look like they want to play for the manager.

Even the best make mistakes. Ferguson was still doing it in his latter days, Mourinho does it, even Guardiola does it (albeit rarely). Let Pellegrini get this first season under his belt and then he can be rightly judged on his merits as Manchester City manager come the end of next season, which by then he will have "bedded in", got rid of deadwood, brought in players to fill the obvious gaps in quality and, more importantly, had a full season to implement his style with the squad he wants. If he fails next season, it would be understandable to "get the knives out", so to speak.

 

[Anonymous]

You could try addressing the truth it contains, rather than making jibes about where it originates.
I don't think Pellegrini has pulled up any trees this season given the squad at his disposal, and if his predecessor had stayed and had a similar one, then you would have had the knives out long before now.
And you would have had a point.
I'm getting tired of hearing the same old mantra of injuries/bad luck/ bent refs/period of adjustment being wheeled out on here ad nauseum.
For what it's worth, I don't think Pellegrini is a great manager either - I consider him competent, but nothing more.
He doesn't make things happen - too many times he responds to situations rather than pre-empting them, and when he is caught out it costs us dear at this level.
That said, I think he'll get another season, but if he fails to deliver either the Premiership or the Champions League then he will be gone, and rightly so.

We're a million miles ahead of last season. That's all that should matter but it doesn't to posters like you and BobK, De Niro, TGR, etc because you're all still lamenting the soon to be sacked again one. But please do keep popping up here and posting as it gives me a good laugh!

Same old from you Billy - you seem obsessed with Mancini.

Doesn't really matter I guess as most will have sussed you as little more than DD's wingman

There's plenty of good posters who have made very valid points about the weaknesses in Pellegrini's coaching style. Then there's the Mancini lamenters who disappear after every victory for weeks and months on end but miraculously find their voices after a defeat. Still thankfully most of them will fuck off after tonight.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

You could try addressing the truth it contains, rather than making jibes about where it originates.
I don't think Pellegrini has pulled up any trees this season given the squad at his disposal, and if his predecessor had stayed and had a similar one, then you would have had the knives out long before now.
And you would have had a point.
I'm getting tired of hearing the same old mantra of injuries/bad luck/ bent refs/period of adjustment being wheeled out on here ad nauseum.
For what it's worth, I don't think Pellegrini is a great manager either - I consider him competent, but nothing more.
He doesn't make things happen - too many times he responds to situations rather than pre-empting them, and when he is caught out it costs us dear at this level.
That said, I think he'll get another season, but if he fails to deliver either the Premiership or the Champions League then he will be gone, and rightly so.

We're a million miles ahead of last season. That's all that should matter but it doesn't to posters like you and BobK, De Niro, TGR, etc because you're all still lamenting the soon to be sacked again one. But please do keep popping up here and posting as it gives me a good laugh!

You really aren't very bright are you, Billy?
What makes it worse is that this salient fact hasn't registered with you yet.
We are not a million miles ahead of last season - we have won the League Cup, and according to you from your lofty Parisian perch the players are happier, and that's about it in real terms.
We are now second favourites for a Premiership title that was ours for the taking, and are currently being outsmarted and outplayed by Brendan and his team of little talent and a bunch of journeymen.
If you seriously consider this to be the heralding of a glorious new age then you are even more deluded than I thought.

 

[coleridge]

I'm a big fan of the bleedin' obvious and can also enjoy the surprise when something else happens.

Obviously, this season is better than last as we have won a trophy, got to the CL KO stages and and scored more goals.

Obviously, this should be our third title in a row, having the best squad in the league for those three years.

Obviously, it's been an underachievement from both Pellers and Mancini [unless we win the title now, of course].

Obviously, Pellers has a three year contract.

Obviously, so does Pep.

Any other questions?

 

[supercity88]

I'm a big fan of the bleedin' obvious and can also enjoy the surprise when something else happens.

Obviously, this season is better than last as we have won a trophy, got to the CL KO stages and and scored more goals.

Obviously, this should be our third title in a row, having the best squad in the league for those three years.

Obviously, it's been an underachievement from both Pellers and Mancini [unless we win the title now, of course].

Obviously, Pellers has a three year contract.

Obviously, so does Pep.

Any other questions?

Where's Xanadu?