Discussing Religion with Kids

You’d just have a bunch of new religions invented by people looking for answers to the same questions about life and the universe that prompted relgions to sprout up in every civilisation in history.

Difficult to disagree with that.

It’s like saying that you could get rid of online abuse by banning twitter and 4chan or that you could eliminate vanity and narcissism by shutting down Instagram.

There will always be new startups to fill the vaccum.

And there will always be feeble minded people drawn to easy answers and simplistic explanations and cults.


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Yes. But that’s not what a 5 year old needs to hear. They need to develop their critical thinking. You supply the ‘what ifs’, the ‘but how is that practical’ examples and they can join the dots themselves. Dismissing it outright (albeit correctly) is the equivalent of the 5 year old sticking their fingers in their ears. Get them critical thinking early and they won’t be a sheep in the worst years of teenager life
Careful. That's close to being heresy. We don't want our 5 year olds condemned to a life of eternal damnation.
 
I did the latter.
Me too.
Catholic schools were the better option in the area. Nothing more nothing less.
He did baptism, communion and confirmation was up to him. Everyone does it do he was always going to.
No pressure on church attendance as we never go. Funerals snd weddings and the likes being the exceptions.

What I tried to do was tell the truth when asked various questions along the way. Do I believe in god, the bible etc.
Not how we are taught it, not literally, there’s wisdom and bullshit in it all. Figure out what’s real yourself.

If I had to do full disclosure I would probably sound nihilistic and you don’t want to pass that negativity on either.

We are a virus on this planet and most likely will be recorded in history as another major mass extinction event. That’s pretty much it as far as I’m concerned.
 
As a retired teacher of Religious Studies, I am obviously going to disagree. But not for the reasons that you might think.

First of all - though I am only referring here to teaching at the secondary rather than primary level - quite a number of colleagues I worked with were atheists who just happened to be fascinated with religion as a social phenomenon or were attracted to the philosophical and ethical aspects of the subject. So there is not much danger of indoctrination.

Secondly, one of my own university teachers, John Bowker, wrote in the preface to one of the earliest GCSE textbooks that religion was worth learning about because of all the evil that had been perpetrated in the name of it. That’s a pretty good justification in my view.

Thirdly, the subject does tend to get taught in a manner that encourages critical thinking and intelligent scepticism. A quick look at any GCSE or A level syllabus will reveal that. Often, in the terminal GCSE examination itself, the most marks are awarded for questions in which the candidate has to critically evaluate statements such as ‘There are no convincing reasons to believe in God’, or ‘People who claim to have religious experiences are hallucinating’, or ‘There is no good evidence that we survive death.’

Fourthly, although secularisation is happening in some places, the world is still, rather unfortunately in my view, as furiously religious as it ever was in others. So from that point of view it can’t really be avoided.

Plus, people do seem to still yearn for what might be abstractly referred to as the transcendent, some kind of realm beyond the ego, even if they only achieve that through taking drugs, watching City humiliate United, or going to an event like Glastonbury.

Am currently reading Nick Cave and Sean O’Hagan’s book Faith, Hope and Carnage, in which Cave admits that he might have devoted a lot of energy to reflecting on a being that does not exist, but that faith (tempered by a lot of doubt) got him through the death of his son, still sustains him and continues to inspire his songwriting.

And Christopher Hitchens actually said something similar before he died, admitting, ‘I’m a materialist…yet there is something beyond the material or not entirely consistent with it, what you would call the Numinous, the Transcendent, or at best the Ecstatic…It’s in certain music, landscape, certain creative work; without this we really would merely be primates.’

Should add that I am in no position to make much sense of what Cave and Hitchens are on about as I have never had an experience of anything like that, though I do find music, art and literature to be transporting in a non-mystical sense.

Fifthly, doing an A Level in Religious Studies is one of the best ways to be introduced to atheistic thinking these days, namely, that of luminaries such as the wonderful David Hume, Bertrand Russell, AJ Ayer, Jeremy Bentham, JL Mackie and, of course, Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens.

In fact, one of the best and most resolutely sceptical philosophers around at the present time is a guy called Stephen Law, who often does workshops for sixth-formers. He is actually the author of a book called ‘Believing Bullshit’ which I once contemplated making one of the official textbooks for my A Level students, as the idea of their parents and fellow pupils stumbling across them reading it had a certain subversive appeal. Unfortunately, there wasn’t quite enough overlap between the content of the book and the syllabus that I was teaching at the time to justify that decision. But anyway, here he is in action:



I used to show that to my Year 9’s.

Finally, if Religious Studies was removed from the curriculum, there is a danger that the extremist and sometimes barking mad beliefs that some kids get from home would go unchallenged and would be left to incubate.

There is also a danger that - at A level - if they are studying History, English Literature, Art or even Economics, that a lack of knowledge of religion might leave them a bit of a disadvantage.

For example, Adam Smith’s The Wealth of Nations is as much a work of theology as it is of economics, something that would have been immediately apparent to its first readers but is scarcely appreciated now.

Having said that though, it wouldn’t bother me if the name of the subject was changed to ‘Philosophy’ or ‘World Views.’

As far as primary school kids are concerned, I don’t see any reason why they can’t be introduced to a bit of critical thinking even at that age, as there are books and courses designed to specifically do just that. See here:


Pete Worley’s publications are really good for that as they are aimed at kids from about 5 upwards.

Anyway, this post is far too long. So will leave it there. Off to cook dinner and listen to Ghosteen again.

i liked the bit where City humiliate unite.
 
I’d be the same if I had kids.

My Sister asked me to be God parent to her first born and I said ‘but I don’t believe in God and anything I say in church to say I’d be doing in the eyes of “god” I’d be lying’…

She said if I didn’t do it she wouldn’t speak to me so I just did it for less hassle!
Well thats just ridiculous. Good on you for helping out but it seems your sister just doesn't get it.
 
@Colin Bells Holdall in France all schools are secular. No religion can be taught. We should do the same but wont.
I'd rather my son came home and asked for a rag shirt than say he believed in a god.
Parents will choose a faith school if it is closest or is doing well in the OFSTED reports then complain about the religion they are being taught.
This country won't be secular in years to come.
 

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