Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2014/15 (continued)

[Phil1]

Let's say that Rafa comes in and does a great job for us. What then?

He's getting some flak on here but he is indisputably a shrewd top class coach. Would he be happy to come in merely as a stop-gap?

I think he would. By all accounts he wants out of Italy. He still has a great affinity to the Northwest and has a house here. I reckon he'd relish the chance of having a quality squad (after the summer spending spree) to challenge for the title. We would offer him a great opportunity to get back in the hunt for trophies, which in turn will add to his already impressive CV. It'd be a win win for him.
Obviously if he isn't happy for that scenario he won't be given the job. I don't see him being anything other as an interim.

So Rafa is interimming? Must admit he does look the type..

I've always been suspicious of his tache..

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

I am concerned what effect our current form will have on season ticket sales next month. We have a 55000 capacity next season and in order to fill it we need to persuade armchair fans to get off their backsides and come to the Etihad. We have struggled to sell out some of the televised fixtures v lower sides this season so there is no way we will sell out next year if we are still playing badly.

This is why I would make a positive change now and get rid of the manager. The new boss should drop some of the under performing players too. Then it's over to Txkiki to pull his finger out during the transfer window, sign some players that excite the fans and re-invigorate the whole club

I don't think it'll hurt sales, but I generally agree with your sentiments.
This year's tickets for me and my son will be a struggle (complicated reasons). We're being asked to pay more, and I'd like to feel eager anticipation of yet another step forward on this great journey (new stand included!)....

But I don't feel like that. I feel negative towards City if I'm honest. They're going to take more money off me, and I've no clue who'll be in charge.
I love City, I'll always love them. I'll always support them.... but I might not always allow myself to be bent over and shafted in the process.

Plenty will argue we've got good prices... we have. Or that we have fantastic facilities... we do. But every family has a price point, and this season's performances have managed to sow just the tiniest little seed.... 'what IF I didn't renew.... ?'

The price isnt the most important thing, seeing players put effort in and sweating for the shirt is what makes me feel like a supporter, watching Dzeko,Kolorov and Yaya this year fucking ambling around has been nearly enough for me to say fuck it enoughs enough. Its a fucking disgrace tbh, the least they can do is make some effort. for me personally if i dont see significact changes next year in the type of player we buy then season tickets will drop right down my list of priorities.

Totally agree with your comments about putting the effort in as we have to put the effort in to be able afford the price to watch our team play.

I have struggled this year to get next years season card and I am being relocated but I have to do it as it is in my genes to be their, I cant give in too easily and it would cost me more in the long run as I would attend all League games anywhere.

The only issue I now have is whether or not to join Champs League Cup scheme as I have an issue with the way FFP as been implemented by the governing body to stop my team from competing so why would I fund such corruption.

 

[Shaelumstash]

When to stop winning, it's your funeral anyway. If you're nice along the way, great, you might have plenty weeping at your demise. If you're an arse, you'll have plenty rejoicing.
You'll still be dead though.

Actually the whole point in context was that if you're not a dickhead to people then when things turn bad, you can always turn them back around because the players respect you and you respect them. When things go bad and you're Van Gaal then you're dead in the water.

If Mancini had Pellegrini's demeanour then he'd still be our manager despite his bad season. If Pellegrini had Mancini's demeanour he'd already have gotten the sack. Also worth noting that the things coming out of our boardroom are that Pellegrini won't be sacked and will be given another chance next year after a full summer behind him.

This feels weird having to explain it to people who think management of people in football is some crazily special environment totally different to management of people elsewhere, but if you want to get the best out of somebody then you have to treat them with respect. People know when they've done well and when they haven't and you banging on about it isn't helping anybody but your own frustrations.

Ferguson pointed out that people have changed and he's right to a degree but also football has become a much more psychologically focused. Even Mourinho doesn't bollock his players in that way and he's probably the best management psychologist out there working today.

It's funny to me that people talk about Pellegrini being a dinosaur because he's playing 4-4-2 and then on the other hand suggesting that he should be jumping around more on the touchline and shouting at people in the dressing room. It shows a very old fashioned and out of date understanding on the game as it is today.

You should maybe send your post to the managerial "dinosaurs" of Mourinho and Guadiola because I can guarantee both of them would be shouting and jumping around on the touchline had their team played like we did on Sunday.

You are correct that the drill sergeant style of management is outdated and doesn't work with millionaire footballers. However, the nice guy pushover with no back bone approach doesn't work either at the top level. Pellegrini and Woy Hodgson being two prime examples. It's fine during the good times with a happy camp, but when standards drop players need a manager they respect to make sure standards don't drop. Pellegrini clearly doesn't command that respect.

 

[GeorgeHeslop'sTackle.]

What page is Stuart Brennan's article on?
Never usually read that 'Rag,' rag, but, on this occasion, it might prove to be of interest

 

[Damocles]

When to stop winning, it's your funeral anyway. If you're nice along the way, great, you might have plenty weeping at your demise. If you're an arse, you'll have plenty rejoicing.
You'll still be dead though.

Actually the whole point in context was that if you're not a dickhead to people then when things turn bad, you can always turn them back around because the players respect you and you respect them. When things go bad and you're Van Gaal then you're dead in the water.

If Mancini had Pellegrini's demeanour then he'd still be our manager despite his bad season. If Pellegrini had Mancini's demeanour he'd already have gotten the sack. Also worth noting that the things coming out of our boardroom are that Pellegrini won't be sacked and will be given another chance next year after a full summer behind him.

This feels weird having to explain it to people who think management of people in football is some crazily special environment totally different to management of people elsewhere, but if you want to get the best out of somebody then you have to treat them with respect. People know when they've done well and when they haven't and you banging on about it isn't helping anybody but your own frustrations.

Ferguson pointed out that people have changed and he's right to a degree but also football has become a much more psychologically focused. Even Mourinho doesn't bollock his players in that way and he's probably the best management psychologist out there working today.

It's funny to me that people talk about Pellegrini being a dinosaur because he's playing 4-4-2 and then on the other hand suggesting that he should be jumping around more on the touchline and shouting at people in the dressing room. It shows a very old fashioned and out of date understanding on the game as it is today.

You should maybe send your post to the managerial "dinosaurs" of Mourinho and Guadiola because I can guarantee both of them would be shouting and jumping around on the touchline had their team played like we did on Sunday.

You are correct that the drill sergeant style of management is outdated and doesn't work with millionaire footballers. However, the nice guy pushover with no back bone approach doesn't work either at the top level. Pellegrini and Woy Hodgson being two prime examples. It's fine during the good times with a happy camp, but when standards drop players need a manager they respect to make sure standards don't drop. Pellegrini clearly doesn't command that respect.

Can I have access to that dressing room camera you have please that allows you to know so much about how Pellegrini and Hodgson talk to their players after a disappointing result?

Because I suspect you've massively oversimplified and stereotyped them to suit your point. Pellegrini isn't somebody who will NEVER stand up to his players. He's a professional manager in one of the highest standards of sport in the entire world, if you can sum up what you think his problem is in management in a sentence then let's just say that nobody can suggest you're overthinking things.

 

[Happy Feet]

Does Pep even wants to come to City?

In his books its written he hates clubs like chelsea where there is no history and a Money Guy controlling the club.

To put it simply, no chance.

 

[baildon blue]

Don't know if I should go or not to the West Ham game .
The last 8 weeks have really pissed me off .
Even when we were losing under the likes of Hughes .
I wasn't this pissed off .
Are they really worth spending your money on these next few matches .

 

[Ray78]

Don't know if I should go or not to the West Ham game .
The last 8 weeks have really pissed me off .
Even when we were losing under the likes of Hughes .
I wasn't this pissed off .
Are they really worth spending your money on these next few matches .

We are looking at them for inspiration but It's a two way thing they are underperforming way below their capabilities and they need us more than ever

 

[Tanzeylee]

Does Pep even wants to come to City?

In his books its written he hates clubs like chelsea where there is no history and a Money Guy controlling the club.

Sniff
That's one of the raggiest things I've seen on here for a while, are you also saying because City have money and a DOF we have no history...

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Don't know if I should go or not to the West Ham game .
The last 8 weeks have really pissed me off .
Even when we were losing under the likes of Hughes .
I wasn't this pissed off .
Are they really worth spending your money on these next few matches .

If you're a City fan - yes!!