Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2014/15 (continued)

[Healdplace]

So lets say Pep arrives 2016 summer. Does he come for free or we will pay hefty compensation?

Which is basically the question of does he sign a new contract for Bayern this summer or not and if yes how long that is gonna be...

As it stand, if he joins us next season we don't need to pay for him, apart from any sign on fee that will come with his contract.

And if he signs a new contract then that should be that....as, either he will cost us a fortune for no good reason to get him in 2016, or we have to wait until the 12th of never.

Even the most desperate for Pep to arrive (in or out of the management of the club) would surely have to see him signing a new contract at Bayern as a slight hint he is not that fussed about coming here.

Whatever has or has not been said then I would have thought Pep was surely told - okay if you want to see out your contract, we will wait, but not if you sign a new one.

Otherwise it makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

What if Pellegrini stays and goes on to win the league next year?

Do we then get rid of a manager who has won 2 titles and a league cup in 3 years, to bring in a manager (possibly Pep) who may struggle to adapt to the Premier League.

It clearly is all speculation, but we don't half open ourselves up to scrutiny with a manager going into his final year with no signs of him extending his stay.

Of course it's a possibility. You probably didn't see it but I posted earlier that all this fan talk about 'waiting for pep' is naive and daft. The situation is far more complex, far more nuanced than that. All parties will be covering all bases. And by that I mean City, Bayern, Guardiola, Pellegrini and probably a number of other clubs, agents and managers.

This whole discussion is based on wild assumptions drawn with clumsy crayons.

 

[cibaman]

Marcos Lopes couldn't get a game under Pellegrini. Played every possible game for Lille. Rekik couldn't get a game, won the title at PSV. Denayer couldn't get a game, won the title at Celtic. Yet apparently Middlesbrough is too tough a fixture for them. Despite the fact that our players who aren't making it and will never play for City are getting loaned to the same division as Boro and beating them.

I'm not sure of the relevance of this sentence to the discussion on MP. None of those three could play against Middlesbrough, because they weren't here to do so, and they weren't here for the very reason that City (Txiki, not MP) wanted them to get experience of playing regularly at a higher level than the EDS in a competitive league. Surely this is better for their development, than waiting until the 3rd or 4th round of the LC, FAC, to get a game for City (or even the odd sub appearance in league games).

It would appear that they have indeed improved with this experience, so the MCFC (Txiki not MP) policy is a good one. Now, whether they come back good enough to become first team squad members, or move on is another debate.

Also the current EDS getting into the first team is a different debate, given that many of them are 18 or under, and in many cases they don't yet look physically ready for the PL challenge. The game on Sunday certainly wasn't one to throw them into imho, it could do more harm than good at this stage of their development, Southampton were a good and strong side, with something to play for, and our first team only just beat them with a good performance.

It's reverse logic though. They are out on loan because of the lack of first team opportunities rather than the lack of first team time being because they are on loan. Marcos Lopes was here last season and showed against West Ham that he could be a very useful member of our squad when he started the game and won Man of the Match. That should have been the time then to give him more minutes. Pellegrini played him one game after where he struggled a bit so dropped him and never played him again for the rest of the season, he didn't even get on the bench most of the time.

We play 50-60 games a season, kids like Lopes could easily get 10-15 games a season here with the right group of players, in a team that attempts to play football, and training with some of the best people in the world. Instead he's in France and getting the shit kicked out of him as one of only two creative outlets for a team mainly of plodders. 20 appearances for Lille is nothing compared to the 15 he could get here, in our system and learning our styles of play, our attacking movements and that of the players around him, developing an understanding with Sergio and watching David Silva every day.

Its a Catch 22 situation. Lopes possibly should have made 10-15 appearences, half off the bench, half starting. But he would also have needed to play another 10 -15 or so games to ensure that he was game hardened for when he made those 10-15 appearences. And the other 10-15 or so games would have needed to be at a more competitive level than EDS, where the standard and physicality of the defending is too far from PL standard.

Bring on the B leagues.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

I'm not sure of the relevance of this sentence to the discussion on MP. None of those three could play against Middlesbrough, because they weren't here to do so, and they weren't here for the very reason that City (Txiki, not MP) wanted them to get experience of playing regularly at a higher level than the EDS in a competitive league. Surely this is better for their development, than waiting until the 3rd or 4th round of the LC, FAC, to get a game for City (or even the odd sub appearance in league games).

It would appear that they have indeed improved with this experience, so the MCFC (Txiki not MP) policy is a good one. Now, whether they come back good enough to become first team squad members, or move on is another debate.

Also the current EDS getting into the first team is a different debate, given that many of them are 18 or under, and in many cases they don't yet look physically ready for the PL challenge. The game on Sunday certainly wasn't one to throw them into imho, it could do more harm than good at this stage of their development, Southampton were a good and strong side, with something to play for, and our first team only just beat them with a good performance.

It's reverse logic though. They are out on loan because of the lack of first team opportunities rather than the lack of first team time being because they are on loan. Marcos Lopes was here last season and showed against West Ham that he could be a very useful member of our squad when he started the game and won Man of the Match. That should have been the time then to give him more minutes. Pellegrini played him one game after where he struggled a bit so dropped him and never played him again for the rest of the season, he didn't even get on the bench most of the time.

We play 50-60 games a season, kids like Lopes could easily get 10-15 games a season here with the right group of players, in a team that attempts to play football, and training with some of the best people in the world. Instead he's in France and getting the shit kicked out of him as one of only two creative outlets for a team mainly of plodders. 20 appearances for Lille is nothing compared to the 15 he could get here, in our system and learning our styles of play, our attacking movements and that of the players around him, developing an understanding with Sergio and watching David Silva every day.

Its a Catch 22 situation. Lopes possibly should have made 10-15 appearences, half off the bench, half starting. But he would also have needed to play another 10 -15 or so games to ensure that he was game hardened for when he made those 10-15 appearences. And the other 10-15 or so games would have needed to be at a more competitive level than EDS, where the standard and physicality of the defending is too far from PL standard.

Bring on the B leagues.

Presumably you mean separate leagues for the B teams as opposed to them joining the Football League?

 

[Reallyblue]

What if Pellegrini stays and goes on to win the league next year?

He'd probably retire, especially if he knows the plan.

He'll get a nice cheque for doing a grand job, and go home and live happily ever after with his family, he might even stay on as a representative of the club, doing something part time in South America, I'm sure we'd be able to find something for him to do, if he wanted it.

Cleaver...changing a two times in three years PL winner for an unproved manager; in my opinion, this is not clever.

 

[Mancity1980]

Nothing wrong changing a winning manager, what about Heynckes at Bayern? Oh...well what about Fergie leaving Old Trafford? Oh...

 

[Mancity1980]

What if Pellegrini stays and goes on to win the league next year?

He'd probably retire, especially if he knows the plan.

He'll get a nice cheque for doing a grand job, and go home and live happily ever after with his family, he might even stay on as a representative of the club, doing something part time in South America, I'm sure we'd be able to find something for him to do, if he wanted it.

Cleaver...changing a two times in three years PL winner for an unproved manager; in my opinion, this is not clever.

Nothing wrong changing a winning manager, what about Heynckes at Bayern? Oh...well what about Fergie leaving Old Trafford? Oh...

 

[Universidad de Chile]

He'd probably retire, especially if he knows the plan.

He'll get a nice cheque for doing a grand job, and go home and live happily ever after with his family, he might even stay on as a representative of the club, doing something part time in South America, I'm sure we'd be able to find something for him to do, if he wanted it.

No mate, it will be not the case. Cause Pelle always said, he will be probably coach the CHILEAN NATIONAL TEAM and maybe aour club, Universidad de Chile, before retirement.

So, he will be a couple of yeras still on the road... ;-)

 

[Universidad de Chile]

I think he would and should be doing great for a national team. At his age, it would seem as a sensible move to coach a South American NT for one world cup cycle, ideally I guess Chile, who even have great players at the moment. Or Argentina for that matter. Any of these destinations are more likely to accept his south-americanish 4-2-2-2 than City fans. :)

Yes, you´re right. I´m from Chile and Pelle always said, he will be some day our national coach. He just have not done so, because of our poor board association, that always has appointed the "trendy manager" of our local ligue, and not investing in some experienced one, as they did with Bielsa, who was rather an exception to that.

So Pelle basically said, he will be waiting for the right moment, with the right generation of players, and to see some stability in our footbal autorities to start to think about taking our team. And I think, he will be do it, for sure.

 

[mosssideblue]

Nothing wrong changing a winning manager, what about Heynckes at Bayern? Oh...well what about Fergie leaving Old Trafford? Oh...

Fergiscum retired voluntarily.