Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

[Damocles]

Theres something extremely funny in people suggesting that we need to switch systems to suit.

People forget so quickly that we are the Champions

 

[pudge]

Theres something extremely funny in people suggesting that we need to switch systems to suit.

People forget so quickly that we are the Champions

People also forget that football is a fast changing game that requires "evolution" and adaptation

 

[Bubbagump]

It was just an option to try something a little different when we appear to have been missing something for most of the season.

We are the current premier league champions and got there with a squad of players who have underperformed this season. The idea of discussing systems, players, tactics to improve should not be that funny to understand really and is normally the reason fans join forums.

 

[chris85mcfc]

Theres something extremely funny in people suggesting that we need to switch systems to suit.

People forget so quickly that we are the Champions

Not switch systems, switch personnel

We did the same last season which helped us become Champions

 

[robbieh]

Oh how we laughed about the hapless Van Gaal. What a joke of a manager we all said. Let's hope they don't sack him said others.

Well currently 2 points behind us. Either he is having a very good season or Pellegrini a very bad one.

Yesterday's back 4 for United. Two full backs, not their normal positions with Smalling and Jones in between. A static midfielder called Carrick. A fairly useless one called Fellaini. Remember they have had a lot of injuries as well as wasted a lot of money. Yet somehow VG has got them 2 points behind us. They went to Anfield with a plan unlike us. OK they were helped by Gerrard's insanity but they still got a result.

I repeat they are 2 points behind us after everyone saying how awful they are. Now you tell me how well Pellegrini is doing. What it tells me is that VG knows what he is doing even if it is not pretty. He knows how to get a result.

We have a far more settled squad with far better players. We should be miles ahead of them.

Chelsea are also far from convincing and yet 6 points ahead with a game in hand.

Basically the team has underperformed big style.

 

[supercity88]

Theres something extremely funny in people suggesting that we need to switch systems to suit.

People forget so quickly that we are the Champions

People also forget that football is a fast changing game that requires "evolution" and adaptation

Football is a game that requires a team to put the ball in the opposition's goal more times than the other team puts it in theirs. Don't try to over complicate it. You're telling me the game's evolved? How?! The best teams look to keep possession and score goals.... tactics are forever changing. One minute Liverpool's 3-4-3 is electric, the next it's out done by the Rags who are playing some odd adaptation of 4-5-1 with anyone but full backs playing that role.

Everyone talks about 4-3-3 or the extra man in midfield. We could have had 50 men in midfield and struggled to contain Messi last week. Tactics aren't everything. Last season the 4-4-2 enabled us to get the best out of our key players. Negredo held the ball up, absorbed the defenders and allowed Aguero, Yaya and Silva to exploit opportunities. This season we've seen poor performances no matter what formations we've used.

 

[BillyShears]

Oh how we laughed about the hapless Van Gaal. What a joke of a manager we all said. Let's hope they don't sack him said others.

Well currently 2 points behind us. Either he is having a very good season or Pellegrini a very bad one.

Yesterday's back 4 for United. Two full backs, not their normal positions with Smalling and Jones in between. A static midfielder called Carrick. A fairly useless one called Fellaini. Remember they have had a lot of injuries as well as wasted a lot of money. Yet somehow VG has got them 2 points behind us. They went to Anfield with a plan unlike us. OK they were helped by Gerrard's insanity but they still got a result.

I repeat they are 2 points behind us after everyone saying how awful they are. Now you tell me how well Pellegrini is doing. What it tells me is that VG knows what he is doing even if it is not pretty. He knows how to get a result.

We have a far more settled squad with far better players. We should be miles ahead of them.

Chelsea are also far from convincing and yet 6 points ahead with a game in hand.

Basically the team has underperformed big style.

We should be miles ahead of them?

Even though they have the most expensive squad in the league, the highest wage bill, and a manager with more trophies and more European success than ours.

With respect you're just chatting shit for the sake of it.

 

[pudge]

Theres something extremely funny in people suggesting that we need to switch systems to suit.

People forget so quickly that we are the Champions

People also forget that football is a fast changing game that requires "evolution" and adaptation

Football is a game that requires a team to put the ball in the opposition's goal more times than the other team puts it in theirs. Don't try to over complicate it. You're telling me the game's evolved? How?! The best teams look to keep possession and score goals.... tactics are forever changing. One minute Liverpool's 3-4-3 is electric, the next it's out done by the Rags who are playing some odd adaptation of 4-5-1 with anyone but full backs playing that role.

Everyone talks about 4-3-3 or the extra man in midfield. We could have had 50 men in midfield and struggled to contain Messi last week. Tactics aren't everything. Last season the 4-4-2 enabled us to get the best out of our key players. Negredo held the ball up, absorbed the defenders and allowed Aguero, Yaya and Silva to exploit opportunities. This season we've seen poor performances no matter what formations we've used.

Answered your own question with that.

 

[City_Sean]

Oh how we laughed about the hapless Van Gaal. What a joke of a manager we all said. Let's hope they don't sack him said others.

Well currently 2 points behind us. Either he is having a very good season or Pellegrini a very bad one.

Yesterday's back 4 for United. Two full backs, not their normal positions with Smalling and Jones in between. A static midfielder called Carrick. A fairly useless one called Fellaini. Remember they have had a lot of injuries as well as wasted a lot of money. Yet somehow VG has got them 2 points behind us. They went to Anfield with a plan unlike us. OK they were helped by Gerrard's insanity but they still got a result.

I repeat they are 2 points behind us after everyone saying how awful they are. Now you tell me how well Pellegrini is doing. What it tells me is that VG knows what he is doing even if it is not pretty. He knows how to get a result.

We have a far more settled squad with far better players. We should be miles ahead of them.

Chelsea are also far from convincing and yet 6 points ahead with a game in hand.

Basically the team has underperformed big style.

What a stupidly fucking ignorant post this, United have the most expensive squad in the history of football. Adding £160m worth of talent to a squad which already had Van Persie, Mata, Rooney etc

We've not played well this season but are still only 6 points behind Chelsea. Don't forget whilst other teams in the league were able to spend a fortune on transfers this summer we were financially handicapped.

Do you think Di Maria would have gone United if us or PSG were in for him? United were able to spend a fortune and blow teams out he water whilst we had to carefully plan our spending.

We've underperformed this year but don't forget United had no CL or midweek football. Van Gaal for all the humour we've mocked him with is a good manager, with a good record. But even he is going to go without a trophy.

 

[Balti]

Theres something extremely funny in people suggesting that we need to switch systems to suit.

People forget so quickly that we are the Champions

not for long :-(

 

[supercity88]

People also forget that football is a fast changing game that requires "evolution" and adaptation

Football is a game that requires a team to put the ball in the opposition's goal more times than the other team puts it in theirs. Don't try to over complicate it. You're telling me the game's evolved? How?! The best teams look to keep possession and score goals.... tactics are forever changing. One minute Liverpool's 3-4-3 is electric, the next it's out done by the Rags who are playing some odd adaptation of 4-5-1 with anyone but full backs playing that role.

Everyone talks about 4-3-3 or the extra man in midfield. We could have had 50 men in midfield and struggled to contain Messi last week. Tactics aren't everything. Last season the 4-4-2 enabled us to get the best out of our key players. Negredo held the ball up, absorbed the defenders and allowed Aguero, Yaya and Silva to exploit opportunities. This season we've seen poor performances no matter what formations we've used.

Answered your own question with that.

I'm simply stating that if you believe the game of football has evolved then you are wrong. It's the same game with the same aim and tactics can a very small part of that. Barcelona have barely varied tactics for the past 5/6 years yet were battered by Bayern... it's not as simple as saying the 4-4-2 is past it. Performances have to be spot on if you want to play it well though. They weren't when Pellegrini first took charge and we were poor, it clicked, the players performed and we smashed it.

 

[pudge]

Football is a game that requires a team to put the ball in the opposition's goal more times than the other team puts it in theirs. Don't try to over complicate it. You're telling me the game's evolved? How?! The best teams look to keep possession and score goals.... tactics are forever changing. One minute Liverpool's 3-4-3 is electric, the next it's out done by the Rags who are playing some odd adaptation of 4-5-1 with anyone but full backs playing that role.

Everyone talks about 4-3-3 or the extra man in midfield. We could have had 50 men in midfield and struggled to contain Messi last week. Tactics aren't everything. Last season the 4-4-2 enabled us to get the best out of our key players. Negredo held the ball up, absorbed the defenders and allowed Aguero, Yaya and Silva to exploit opportunities. This season we've seen poor performances no matter what formations we've used.

Answered your own question with that.

I'm simply stating that if you believe the game of football has evolved then you are wrong. It's the same game with the same aim and tactics can a very small part of that. Barcelona have barely varied tactics for the past 5/6 years yet were battered by Bayern... it's not as simple as saying the 4-4-2 is past it. Performances have to be spot on if you want to play it well though. They weren't when Pellegrini first took charge and we were poor, it clicked, the players performed and we smashed it.

I'm not saying 4-4-2 is past it.

It's just not the be all and end all.

 

[mastermind]

Theres something extremely funny in people suggesting that we need to switch systems to suit.

People forget so quickly that we are the Champions

People also forget that football is a fast changing game that requires "evolution" and adaptation

Football is a game that requires a team to put the ball in the opposition's goal more times than the other team puts it in theirs. Don't try to over complicate it. You're telling me the game's evolved? How?! The best teams look to keep possession and score goals.... tactics are forever changing. One minute Liverpool's 3-4-3 is electric, the next it's out done by the Rags who are playing some odd adaptation of 4-5-1 with anyone but full backs playing that role.

Everyone talks about 4-3-3 or the extra man in midfield. We could have had 50 men in midfield and struggled to contain Messi last week. Tactics aren't everything. Last season the 4-4-2 enabled us to get the best out of our key players. Negredo held the ball up, absorbed the defenders and allowed Aguero, Yaya and Silva to exploit opportunities. This season we've seen poor performances no matter what formations we've used.

this is complete nonsense.

messi is not God, he CAN be contained.

 

[coleridge]

It seems wrong for Pellers to blame this season's failings almost entirely on FFP.

However, finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th is not a disaster.

It is ever more apparent that MP is planning to be around for another season to reshape the squad. As I've said before, it will be useful for him to get rid of the likes of Yaya and bed in the new boys before the arrival of Prince Pep.

MP obviously behaves in the manner that ADUG expect. Compare that to Moaninho, who gets ever more graceless by the day. 'We should have more points'. Utter nonsense.

I also suspect that LVG [who is obviously a very good manager getting one last pay day] will regret not going more for the title whilst the other top three have been largely indifferent for many reasons, whereas that lot have played significantly fewer games. Next year will be tougher for them, not easier.

For us, the long term plan remains on course. We'll all feel better when the squad is freshened up in the summer.

 

[robbieh]

Oh how we laughed about the hapless Van Gaal. What a joke of a manager we all said. Let's hope they don't sack him said others.

Well currently 2 points behind us. Either he is having a very good season or Pellegrini a very bad one.

Yesterday's back 4 for United. Two full backs, not their normal positions with Smalling and Jones in between. A static midfielder called Carrick. A fairly useless one called Fellaini. Remember they have had a lot of injuries as well as wasted a lot of money. Yet somehow VG has got them 2 points behind us. They went to Anfield with a plan unlike us. OK they were helped by Gerrard's insanity but they still got a result.

I repeat they are 2 points behind us after everyone saying how awful they are. Now you tell me how well Pellegrini is doing. What it tells me is that VG knows what he is doing even if it is not pretty. He knows how to get a result.

We have a far more settled squad with far better players. We should be miles ahead of them.

Chelsea are also far from convincing and yet 6 points ahead with a game in hand.

Basically the team has underperformed big style.

We should be miles ahead of them?

Even though they have the most expensive squad in the league, the highest wage bill, and a manager with more trophies and more European success than ours.

With respect you're just chatting shit for the sake of it.

Two points.

I admit di Maria, Falcao and Van Persie cost a lot but in case it has escaped your notice their current form is being achieved wthout much input from them. Their starting XI yesterday had Blind and Herrera as newcomers. And are you really telling me that back four should hold a candle to ours?

Secondly you seem to be saying Van Gaal is a better manager than Pellegrini.

 

[BillyShears]

Answered your own question with that.

I'm simply stating that if you believe the game of football has evolved then you are wrong. It's the same game with the same aim and tactics can a very small part of that. Barcelona have barely varied tactics for the past 5/6 years yet were battered by Bayern... it's not as simple as saying the 4-4-2 is past it. Performances have to be spot on if you want to play it well though. They weren't when Pellegrini first took charge and we were poor, it clicked, the players performed and we smashed it.

I'm not saying 4-4-2 is past it.

It's just not the be all and end all.

Nor is any other formation. Managers almost exclusively stick to one formation. Yet it seems Pellegrini is the only guy who gets hammered for it.

 

[simon23]

Oh how we laughed about the hapless Van Gaal. What a joke of a manager we all said. Let's hope they don't sack him said others.

Well currently 2 points behind us. Either he is having a very good season or Pellegrini a very bad one.

Yesterday's back 4 for United. Two full backs, not their normal positions with Smalling and Jones in between. A static midfielder called Carrick. A fairly useless one called Fellaini. Remember they have had a lot of injuries as well as wasted a lot of money. Yet somehow VG has got them 2 points behind us. They went to Anfield with a plan unlike us. OK they were helped by Gerrard's insanity but they still got a result.

I repeat they are 2 points behind us after everyone saying how awful they are. Now you tell me how well Pellegrini is doing. What it tells me is that VG knows what he is doing even if it is not pretty. He knows how to get a result.

We have a far more settled squad with far better players. We should be miles ahead of them.

Chelsea are also far from convincing and yet 6 points ahead with a game in hand.

Basically the team has underperformed big style.

We should be miles ahead of them?

Even though they have the most expensive squad in the league, the highest wage bill, and a manager with more trophies and more European success than ours.

With respect you're just chatting shit for the sake of it.

the difference is that Van Gal started with a system that he preferred, which turned out pretty badly. They were leaking goals and playing poorly. However he at least changed it eventually after he saw that either his players couldnt play the way he wanted or were incapbale of adapting...he may have not liked doing so (you can see from his early interviews that he was very rohbust in the defense of his approach , 3 at the back etc.).....But he has changed it....he played with rooney upfront with a 5 man midfield and a back 4 and they look a lot better and there performance at anfield compared to ours shows this...liverpool dominated our midfield as many said they would prior to the game....utds midfield dominated liverpools yesterday BEFORE the sending off.........

Im not calling for Pellers to go, but he HAS TO CHANGE THE WAY HE PLAYS UNTIL HE HAS THE PLAYERS HE NEEDS TO PLAY THE WAY HE WANTS.......certainly against better teams

The games vs spurs and utd are ones where i would suggest he would need to change system.....a 5 man midfield of carrick, fellani, herrara and whoever else will dominate our midfield pair (which ever pair it is)

for those two games he must go with something like this

---------------------------GK ---------------------------------------

---------------------------Back 4--------------------------------

navas/milner------fernando/milner------- fernadndihnio---------- sliva/milner

----------------------------yaya /silva-----------------------------------------

-------------------------------------kun

You can argue on the merrits of certain players e.g milner instead of navas or milner instead of fernando etc etc

but IF van gal goes with a similar system against us that he employed against liverpool and we go with Pellers 4-4-2 or 4-2-2-2 we will get dominated and overun.....the same could happen vs spurs (though I admit ive not watched much of spurs this season)

i know people will argue that kun was dropping deep to make it more of a 5 in midfield and i would agree but i dont like seeing that ....he loses some of his threat potential by doing that.

 

[BillyShears]

Oh how we laughed about the hapless Van Gaal. What a joke of a manager we all said. Let's hope they don't sack him said others.

Well currently 2 points behind us. Either he is having a very good season or Pellegrini a very bad one.

Yesterday's back 4 for United. Two full backs, not their normal positions with Smalling and Jones in between. A static midfielder called Carrick. A fairly useless one called Fellaini. Remember they have had a lot of injuries as well as wasted a lot of money. Yet somehow VG has got them 2 points behind us. They went to Anfield with a plan unlike us. OK they were helped by Gerrard's insanity but they still got a result.

I repeat they are 2 points behind us after everyone saying how awful they are. Now you tell me how well Pellegrini is doing. What it tells me is that VG knows what he is doing even if it is not pretty. He knows how to get a result.

We have a far more settled squad with far better players. We should be miles ahead of them.

Chelsea are also far from convincing and yet 6 points ahead with a game in hand.

Basically the team has underperformed big style.

We should be miles ahead of them?

Even though they have the most expensive squad in the league, the highest wage bill, and a manager with more trophies and more European success than ours.

With respect you're just chatting shit for the sake of it.

Two points.

I admit di Maria, Falcao and Van Persie cost a lot but in case it has escaped your notice their current form is being achieved wthout much input from them. Their starting XI yesterday had Blind and Herrera as newcomers. And are you really telling me that back four should hold a candle to ours?

Secondly you seem to be saying Van Gaal is a better manager than Pellegrini.

Herrera played in midfield. Blind is a better defender than Kolarov.

YOU were saying its a disgrace how close to us they are. Your argument has proven to be shit since they have a higher wage bill than us and have outspent us in the last few years AND are the only side to have won the title other than us in the last four or five years.

 

[simon23]

We should be miles ahead of them?

Even though they have the most expensive squad in the league, the highest wage bill, and a manager with more trophies and more European success than ours.

With respect you're just chatting shit for the sake of it.

Two points.

I admit di Maria, Falcao and Van Persie cost a lot but in case it has escaped your notice their current form is being achieved wthout much input from them. Their starting XI yesterday had Blind and Herrera as newcomers. And are you really telling me that back four should hold a candle to ours?

Secondly you seem to be saying Van Gaal is a better manager than Pellegrini.

Herrera played in midfield. Blind is a better defender than Kolarov.

YOU were saying its a disgrace how close to us they are. Your argument has proven to be shit since they have a higher wage bill than us and have outspent us in the last few years AND are the only side to have won the title other than us in the last four or five years.

while i agree with you BS, look at the way they started the season and look now........they have hugely improved whereas we have been found out yet not changed anything to try and combat that

 

[pudge]

I'm simply stating that if you believe the game of football has evolved then you are wrong. It's the same game with the same aim and tactics can a very small part of that. Barcelona have barely varied tactics for the past 5/6 years yet were battered by Bayern... it's not as simple as saying the 4-4-2 is past it. Performances have to be spot on if you want to play it well though. They weren't when Pellegrini first took charge and we were poor, it clicked, the players performed and we smashed it.

I'm not saying 4-4-2 is past it.

It's just not the be all and end all.

Nor is any other formation. Managers almost exclusively stick to one formation. Yet it seems Pellegrini is the only guy who gets hammered for it.

Do these many other managers also stand still and insist on the same labored and predictable approach and tactics for every game or do some try and adapt to the opposition?