Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

[robbieh]

Comments like this make me think he knows he's toast:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/11517657/Manuel-Pellegrini-demands-more-top-signings-for-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

Manuel Pellegrini has demanded Manchester City sign more truly world-class, game-changing players in the summer as he looks for a convincing excuse for what looks destined to become a barren season.
City travel to Crystal Palace on Monday night trailing Premier League leaders Chelsea by nine points and Pellegrini may well pay the price for failing to win a trophy in his second season as manager by losing job.
That decision is yet to be taken and it should not be forgotten the Chilean won two – the Premier League and the Capital One Cup – in his first year.
•Pardew: I could do better than top managers
Pellegrini has become increasingly terse when questioned about City’s stuttering season, but he conceded City needed to sign a different type of player in the summer if they were going to compete for top honours, both at home and abroad.
“It is just the way of thinking, that big teams need to sign a big player,” said Pellegrini. “It is very difficult to do it every year – but every two years you must do it.
“I’m not just talking about Manchester City. You see Real Madrid, Manchester United, Chelsea, Barcelona and Bayern Munich – all the big clubs – all do it. It is important to have big names.
“I repeat, it is very difficult to do it every year, but it is important to do it after two years and you must try, always, to improve your squad. I’m talking about all big teams, not especially Manchester City.”
Not that Pellegrini will be willing to discuss transfer policy until he knows whether he is going to remain in charge of the team beyond the end of the season.
“I repeat, I don’t want to talk about [plans] for next season because we have to finish this season,” added Pellegrini.
“It is very important the way we finish this season before we analyse all the players. So, it is not the right moment to talk about it.”

He sounds slightly annoyed to me that he never got the opportunity to receive the benefit of a big purchase.

I guess we will find out soon enough.

Nah. When he starts ranting and raving about how he doesn't work for Txiki and Ferran but only for Khaldoon - that's when you'll know he's toast!

If you actually listen to the comments he made he doesn't sound annoyed, far from it. He simply is pointing out within the context of our FFP sanctions, that we didn't refresh the squad last summer because we couldn't, whereas we will this summer as we can, and most likely with big players.

Pellegrini has been talking about City's ability to spend without restriction this summer since the Jan window closed. Very deliberate and very much with the blessing of his bosses.

Why would his bosses want it put about that we are going to spend big thus alerting everybody to our plans?

 

[blueparrot]

Comments like this make me think he knows he's toast:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/11517657/Manuel-Pellegrini-demands-more-top-signings-for-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>



He sounds slightly annoyed to me that he never got the opportunity to receive the benefit of a big purchase.

I guess we will find out soon enough.

Nah. When he starts ranting and raving about how he doesn't work for Txiki and Ferran but only for Khaldoon - that's when you'll know he's toast!

If you actually listen to the comments he made he doesn't sound annoyed, far from it. He simply is pointing out within the context of our FFP sanctions, that we didn't refresh the squad last summer because we couldn't, whereas we will this summer as we can, and most likely with big players.

Pellegrini has been talking about City's ability to spend without restriction this summer since the Jan window closed. Very deliberate and very much with the blessing of his bosses.

Why would his bosses want it put about that we are going to spend big thus alerting everybody to our plans?

It's hardly going to be a secret to people in the game that we have money to spend. Just our enquiries will do that.

 

[HelloCity]

Comments like this make me think he knows he's toast:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/11517657/Manuel-Pellegrini-demands-more-top-signings-for-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>



He sounds slightly annoyed to me that he never got the opportunity to receive the benefit of a big purchase.

I guess we will find out soon enough.

Nah. When he starts ranting and raving about how he doesn't work for Txiki and Ferran but only for Khaldoon - that's when you'll know he's toast!

If you actually listen to the comments he made he doesn't sound annoyed, far from it. He simply is pointing out within the context of our FFP sanctions, that we didn't refresh the squad last summer because we couldn't, whereas we will this summer as we can, and most likely with big players.

Pellegrini has been talking about City's ability to spend without restriction this summer since the Jan window closed. Very deliberate and very much with the blessing of his bosses.

Why would his bosses want it put about that we are going to spend big thus alerting everybody to our plans?

Fan excitement.

Makes you sound big and powerful because you're in for big players.

 

[robbieh]

Nah. When he starts ranting and raving about how he doesn't work for Txiki and Ferran but only for Khaldoon - that's when you'll know he's toast!

If you actually listen to the comments he made he doesn't sound annoyed, far from it. He simply is pointing out within the context of our FFP sanctions, that we didn't refresh the squad last summer because we couldn't, whereas we will this summer as we can, and most likely with big players.

Pellegrini has been talking about City's ability to spend without restriction this summer since the Jan window closed. Very deliberate and very much with the blessing of his bosses.

Why would his bosses want it put about that we are going to spend big thus alerting everybody to our plans?

It's hardly going to be a secret to people in the game that we have money to spend. Just our enquiries will do that.

In that case the only other reason for doing it is to reassure our supporters , understandably underwhelmed after this piss poor season, that next season will be better.

 

[BillyShears]

Why would his bosses want it put about that we are going to spend big thus alerting everybody to our plans?

It's hardly a secret since we had significant FFP constraints last summer and even massive Blues were shitting their pants at how old/past it our squad was. Doesn't really take any kind of brain surgeon to figure out we'd be spending heavily this summer. All Pellegrini has done is reinforce with the club's blessing the idea that we are no longer constricted by FFP and will attempt to sign big players.

Alternatively they could just as well have done it for the benefit of the mard arse supporters who have been crying like girls since last summer about how terrible Txiki is and how terrible his signings have been and how we're dooooooomed with the barca boys and their puppet around!

 

[Davs 19]

Why would his bosses want it put about that we are going to spend big thus alerting everybody to our plans?[/quote
It's hardly going to be a secret to people in the game that we have money to spend. Just our enquiries will do that.

In that case the only other reason for doing it is to reassure our supporters , understandably underwhelmed after this piss poor season, that next season will be better.

Indeed. We're fast approaching the SC renewal window, yes ;.)

 

[dasblues]

I thought his comments on the academy were quite telling , he's preaching patience , intimating that the players we have aren't ready yet.

He then says that maybe someone may surprise and be able to make the step up to the 'professional' level.

This to me condemns him as a man who is not interested in youth development unless the players are that good they demand to be in the first team. Unfortunately talent at that level is few and far between , proper youth development requires having faith in a young player and sometimes giving him the chance in the team ahead of a more experienced player.

He then moans about us not signing world class players because of ffp.

He needs to go in my opinion , we need someone who is prepared to blood young players and is happy give chances to the undoubted young talent we have.

We need to start adopting the holistic 433 at first team level, the players that we have been linked to would indictate that we are going to.....sterling , de bruyne , Barkley , Pogba would not be suited to slow build up play in pellegrinis 4222

 

[Mancini Manus Domini]

I thought his comments on the academy were quite telling , he's preaching patience , intimating that the players we have aren't ready yet.

He then says that maybe someone may surprise and be able to make the step up to the 'professional' level.

This to me condemns him as a man who is not interested in youth development unless the players are that good they demand to be in the first team. Unfortunately talent at that level is few and far between , proper youth development requires having faith in a young player and sometimes giving him the chance in the team ahead of a more experienced player.

He then moans about us not signing world class players because of ffp.

He needs to go in my opinion , we need someone who is prepared to blood young players and is happy give chances to the undoubted young talent we have.

We need to start adopting the holistic 433 at first team level, the players that we have been linked to would indictate that we are going to.....sterling , de bruyne , Barkley , Pogba would not be suited to slow build up play in pellegrinis 4222

I agree.

In view of what you have stated I believe Patrick Vieira should be given the manager's job.
1)He knows what is needed having played the game to the highest level.
2)He'll have a much better idea than Pellegrini on which of our young players will make it, and can smooth their transition to the first team.
3)He plays the 4-3-3 system.
4)He was Kompany's, Yaya's and Pogba's favourite player growing up.
5)Very well respected in the game.
6)He went to see Pep in Munich a couple of months back. Was this just part of his development or has a decision been made to repace Pellegrini already? Did Txiki and Ferran arrange with Pep some time for Vieira, to give him all the help they could before he takes the role this summer?

 

[cleavers]

In view of what you have stated I believe Patrick Vieira should be given the manager's job.
1)He knows what is needed having played the game to the highest level.
2)He'll have a much better idea than Pellegrini on which of our young players will make it, and can smooth their transition to the first team.
3)He plays the 4-3-3 system.
4)He was Kompany's, Yaya's and Pogba's favourite player growing up.
5)Very well respected in the game.
6)He went to see Pep in Munich a couple of months back. Was this just part of his development or has a decision been made to repace Pellegrini already? Did Txiki and Ferran arrange with Pep some time for Vieira, to give him all the help they could before he takes the role this summer?

1. Bryan Robson played the game at the highest level, as did Roy Keane, Alan Shearer (at Blackburn ;o) ), Thierry Henry, David Beckham, are any of these managers at top clubs ?
2. Have you read the comments coming from some of our younger players about MP ? They seem to have a lot of respect for him.
3. and ?
4. Yaya probably won't be here, it unlikely Pogba will, so a pretty pointless comment.
5. As are many others, including MP.
6. 2+2=6, he went there to look at training methods in general, why would Pep want to encourage Vieira to become as good as him ?

 

[dasblues]

I thought his comments on the academy were quite telling , he's preaching patience , intimating that the players we have aren't ready yet.

He then says that maybe someone may surprise and be able to make the step up to the 'professional' level.

This to me condemns him as a man who is not interested in youth development unless the players are that good they demand to be in the first team. Unfortunately talent at that level is few and far between , proper youth development requires having faith in a young player and sometimes giving him the chance in the team ahead of a more experienced player.

He then moans about us not signing world class players because of ffp.

He needs to go in my opinion , we need someone who is prepared to blood young players and is happy give chances to the undoubted young talent we have.

We need to start adopting the holistic 433 at first team level, the players that we have been linked to would indictate that we are going to.....sterling , de bruyne , Barkley , Pogba would not be suited to slow build up play in pellegrinis 4222

I agree.

In view of what you have stated I believe Patrick Vieira should be given the manager's job.
1)He knows what is needed having played the game to the highest level.
2)He'll have a much better idea than Pellegrini on which of our young players will make it, and can smooth their transition to the first team.
3)He plays the 4-3-3 system.
4)He was Kompany's, Yaya's and Pogba's favourite player growing up.
5)Very well respected in the game.
6)He went to see Pep in Munich a couple of months back. Was this just part of his development or has a decision been made to repace Pellegrini already? Did Txiki and Ferran arrange with Pep some time for Vieira, to give him all the help they could before he takes the role this summer?

I really hope you are right with Vieira , he would be a bit of a gamble for the owners due to his lack of experience but he is essentially just going to be the first team coach , so won't have to worry about any wider management responsibilities. As you say he ticks a lot of boxes , could he even entice pogba as his marquee signing ?

I also beleive there would be a lot of goodwill towards him , not just blues but the wider public and media. He's an articulate guy and well respected in this country as one of the greats in premíer league history . He would also show that black managers are given a chance if they are talented enough .

 

[LoveCity]

But can you blame Pellegrini? We have to spend heavily on top class talent or we get left behind, the proof is there after our inability to sign top quality after our title wins. While Chelsea (who have some ridiculously good youth players like Loftus-Cheek who could be a £20m player) go and buy Fabregas, Costa, Matic and now target Varane, Pogba and Koke... the risk of promoting from within is huge. Because these kids are good but say you promote Lopes into the first team while a rival signs De Bruyne, instead of actually signing De Bruyne yourself, they are getting the better player. Maybe not in 5 years, but now. I do believe there is a healthy mix, where you can promote 1 or 2 kids into the SQUAD every couple of years, but people overestimate the impact most of these teenagers will have unless one of them is like Hazard 2011 quality (19/20 years old and taking the piss out of Ligue 1). Has anyone in our youth system yet stood out for the EDS or on loan like Hazard did in 2010-2011 (Ligue 1 player of the year two years running)? I don't think so... maybe Angelino is showing that star quality.

And the idea of promoting them in bulk is sentimental mush. It's not 1992, it's an environment where law of the jungle applies and only the strongest survive, where there has never been more money in the game and even teams that were frugal like Arsenal are now spending £40m on elite level signings. You try and be too cute and you'll get left behind. I want our academy players to make it desperately, but they must prove they are of the highest standard in their age group. Lopes has gone a way to proving he may be and he'd be the first I'd put in the squad (the squad, not the first team). Denayer too, maybe.

 

[cleavers]

But can you blame Pellegrini? We have to spend heavily on top class talent or we get left behind, the proof is there after our inability to sign top quality after our title wins. While Chelsea (who have some ridiculously good youth players like Loftus-Cheek who could be a £20m player) go and buy Fabregas, Costa, Matic and now target Varane, Pogba and Koke... the risk of promoting from within is huge. Because these kids are good but say you promote Lopes into the first team while a rival signs De Bruyne, instead of actually signing De Bruyne yourself, they are getting the better player. Maybe not in 5 years, but now. I do believe there is a healthy mix, where you can promote 1 or 2 kids into the SQUAD every couple of years, but people overestimate the impact most of these teenagers will have unless one of them is like Hazard 2011 quality (19/20 years old and taking the piss out of Ligue 1). Has anyone in our youth system yet stood out for the EDS or on loan like Hazard did in 2010-2011 (Ligue 1 player of the year two years running)? I don't think so... maybe Angelino is showing that star quality.

And the idea of promoting them in bulk is sentimental mush. It's not 1992, it's an environment where law of the jungle applies and only the strongest survive, where there has never been more money in the game and even teams that were frugal like Arsenal are now spending £40m on elite level signings. You try and be too cute and you'll get left behind. I want our academy players to make it desperately, but they must prove they are of the highest standard in their age group. Lopes has gone a way to proving he may be and he'd be the first I'd put in the squad (the squad, not the first team). Denayer too, maybe.

Totally agree LC, though I think having a couple on the bench, and giving them some playing time would be beneficial all round. Its not easy to bring the youngsters through at this level, and some that are talked about on here are still under 18's.

Let them develop, give them the odd chance, we might find a gem appears out of the blue.

 

[adrianr]

I thought his comments on the academy were quite telling , he's preaching patience , intimating that the players we have aren't ready yet.

He then says that maybe someone may surprise and be able to make the step up to the 'professional' level.

This to me condemns him as a man who is not interested in youth development unless the players are that good they demand to be in the first team. Unfortunately talent at that level is few and far between , proper youth development requires having faith in a young player and sometimes giving him the chance in the team ahead of a more experienced player.

He then moans about us not signing world class players because of ffp.

He needs to go in my opinion , we need someone who is prepared to blood young players and is happy give chances to the undoubted young talent we have.

We need to start adopting the holistic 433 at first team level, the players that we have been linked to would indictate that we are going to.....sterling , de bruyne , Barkley , Pogba would not be suited to slow build up play in pellegrinis 4222

So, so easy to say that. Maybe we haven't been blooding any youngsters because none of them are good enough? You can bet your house if the next man puts Angelino out there during a run of 5 defeats on the bounce he won't be getting any slack from fans to blood anyone - Angelino will be offered a free car journey to his club of choice by a number of blues and the manager will be out on his arse. Your last paragraph probably goes a long way to explaining why no-one has made the step up yet - We have an academy full of players everyone wants to see play for the first team, and at the first opportunity to spend big we're going to go out and buy a shedload of new expensive young players! That's not just Pellegrini driving that.

People forget that whilst developing youth and playing attractive football are important to our owners, the most important thing by far is staying in the Champions League. In case anyone hadn't noticed, we're currently 4th, and that's without any youth players featuring. Of course you could say "Well then, clearly isn't working, try youth! Can't be much worse", but clearly it can. We could be out of the CL players all together.

The foundations upon which everything else will be built in the Financial Fair Play world is revenue. And that comes by challenging at the very top, in the best competitions, and ideally winning them from time to time. This season is demonstrating how easily we could be dumped out - You don't take the chance unless you're pretty damn sure.

 

[blueparrot]

I thought his comments on the academy were quite telling , he's preaching patience , intimating that the players we have aren't ready yet.

He then says that maybe someone may surprise and be able to make the step up to the 'professional' level.

This to me condemns him as a man who is not interested in youth development unless the players are that good they demand to be in the first team. Unfortunately talent at that level is few and far between , proper youth development requires having faith in a young player and sometimes giving him the chance in the team ahead of a more experienced player.

He then moans about us not signing world class players because of ffp.

He needs to go in my opinion , we need someone who is prepared to blood young players and is happy give chances to the undoubted young talent we have.

We need to start adopting the holistic 433 at first team level, the players that we have been linked to would indictate that we are going to.....sterling , de bruyne , Barkley , Pogba would not be suited to slow build up play in pellegrinis 4222

So, so easy to say that. Maybe we haven't been blooding any youngsters because none of them are good enough? You can bet your house if the next man puts Angelino out there during a run of 5 defeats on the bounce he won't be getting any slack from fans to blood anyone - Angelino will be offered a free car journey to his club of choice by a number of blues and the manager will be out on his arse. Your last paragraph probably goes a long way to explaining why no-one has made the step up yet - We have an academy full of players everyone wants to see play for the first team, and at the first opportunity to spend big we're going to go out and buy a shedload of new expensive young players! That's not just Pellegrini driving that.

People forget that whilst developing youth and playing attractive football are important to our owners, the most important thing by far is staying in the Champions League. In case anyone hadn't noticed, we're currently 4th, and that's without any youth players featuring. Of course you could say "Well then, clearly isn't working, try youth! Can't be much worse", but clearly it can. We could be out of the CL players all together.

The foundations upon which everything else will be built in the Financial Fair Play world is revenue. And that comes by challenging at the very top, in the best competitions, and ideally winning them from time to time. This season is demonstrating how easily we could be dumped out - You don't take the chance unless you're pretty damn sure.

The player that jumps straight from the youth set up to a team competing for the premier league and champions league is very rare. I would be very surprised to see any of our players do that without a season or two on loan somewhere. Lopes and Denayer are the only two anywhere near at the moment

 

[hgblue]

Comments like this make me think he knows he's toast:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/11517657/Manuel-Pellegrini-demands-more-top-signings-for-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

Manuel Pellegrini has demanded Manchester City sign more truly world-class, game-changing players in the summer as he looks for a convincing excuse for what looks destined to become a barren season.
City travel to Crystal Palace on Monday night trailing Premier League leaders Chelsea by nine points and Pellegrini may well pay the price for failing to win a trophy in his second season as manager by losing job.
That decision is yet to be taken and it should not be forgotten the Chilean won two – the Premier League and the Capital One Cup – in his first year.
•Pardew: I could do better than top managers
Pellegrini has become increasingly terse when questioned about City’s stuttering season, but he conceded City needed to sign a different type of player in the summer if they were going to compete for top honours, both at home and abroad.
“It is just the way of thinking, that big teams need to sign a big player,” said Pellegrini. “It is very difficult to do it every year – but every two years you must do it.
“I’m not just talking about Manchester City. You see Real Madrid, Manchester United, Chelsea, Barcelona and Bayern Munich – all the big clubs – all do it. It is important to have big names.
“I repeat, it is very difficult to do it every year, but it is important to do it after two years and you must try, always, to improve your squad. I’m talking about all big teams, not especially Manchester City.”
Not that Pellegrini will be willing to discuss transfer policy until he knows whether he is going to remain in charge of the team beyond the end of the season.
“I repeat, I don’t want to talk about [plans] for next season because we have to finish this season,” added Pellegrini.
“It is very important the way we finish this season before we analyse all the players. So, it is not the right moment to talk about it.”

He sounds slightly annoyed to me that he never got the opportunity to receive the benefit of a big purchase.

I guess we will find out soon enough.

This is almost identical to what Mancini was saying and he got lambasted for it. Keep the squad fresh by investing in top quality, and promote youngsters if/when they're good enough. Hardly rocket science. #holistic

 

[dasblues]

But can you blame Pellegrini? We have to spend heavily on top class talent or we get left behind, the proof is there after our inability to sign top quality after our title wins. While Chelsea (who have some ridiculously good youth players like Loftus-Cheek who could be a £20m player) go and buy Fabregas, Costa, Matic and now target Varane, Pogba and Koke... the risk of promoting from within is huge. Because these kids are good but say you promote Lopes into the first team while a rival signs De Bruyne, instead of actually signing De Bruyne yourself, they are getting the better player. Maybe not in 5 years, but now. I do believe there is a healthy mix, where you can promote 1 or 2 kids into the SQUAD every couple of years, but people overestimate the impact most of these teenagers will have unless one of them is like Hazard 2011 quality (19/20 years old and taking the piss out of Ligue 1). Has anyone in our youth system yet stood out for the EDS or on loan like Hazard did in 2010-2011 (Ligue 1 player of the year two years running)? I don't think so... maybe Angelino is showing that star quality.

And the idea of promoting them in bulk is sentimental mush. It's not 1992, it's an environment where law of the jungle applies and only the strongest survive, where there has never been more money in the game and even teams that were frugal like Arsenal are now spending £40m on elite level signings. You try and be too cute and you'll get left behind. I want our academy players to make it desperately, but they must prove they are of the highest standard in their age group. Lopes has gone a way to proving he may be and he'd be the first I'd put in the squad (the squad, not the first team). Denayer too, maybe.

We are not talking a great influx of youth team players but at least an acknowledgment that we are moving in that direction.

We have a squad of 25 players, I beleive that three of those spaces should be taken up with players from the youth ranks, lopes , Denayer and Iheanacho To give three names at random.

A defender midfielder and attacker, this still gives us the two players for every position but these players could get bench time when injuries and suspensions bite. They should also start in the the domestic cups no matter who the opposition. If they don't make the grade after a couple of seasons you shuffle the pack and bring the next three cabs off the rank, say angelino , Bryan and barker, these three have been waiting their turn knowing that there are places up for grabs , I would imagine they would have a season or two on loan under there belt.

The ones that don't make it have been given exposure to the footballing public which would mean they could be sold on for small fees , a couple of million perhaps, but profit that goes straight to the bottom line , freeing up resources that can be reinvested.

It's not rocket science but it needs everyone at ALL levels of the club to buy into it. At the moment it appears a vital cog doesn't , and he has proved it over and over again.

 

[dasblues]

I thought his comments on the academy were quite telling , he's preaching patience , intimating that the players we have aren't ready yet.

He then says that maybe someone may surprise and be able to make the step up to the 'professional' level.

This to me condemns him as a man who is not interested in youth development unless the players are that good they demand to be in the first team. Unfortunately talent at that level is few and far between , proper youth development requires having faith in a young player and sometimes giving him the chance in the team ahead of a more experienced player.

He then moans about us not signing world class players because of ffp.

He needs to go in my opinion , we need someone who is prepared to blood young players and is happy give chances to the undoubted young talent we have.

We need to start adopting the holistic 433 at first team level, the players that we have been linked to would indictate that we are going to.....sterling , de bruyne , Barkley , Pogba would not be suited to slow build up play in pellegrinis 4222

So, so easy to say that. Maybe we haven't been blooding any youngsters because none of them are good enough? You can bet your house if the next man puts Angelino out there during a run of 5 defeats on the bounce he won't be getting any slack from fans to blood anyone - Angelino will be offered a free car journey to his club of choice by a number of blues and the manager will be out on his arse. Your last paragraph probably goes a long way to explaining why no-one has made the step up yet - We have an academy full of players everyone wants to see play for the first team, and at the first opportunity to spend big we're going to go out and buy a shedload of new expensive young players! That's not just Pellegrini driving that.

People forget that whilst developing youth and playing attractive football are important to our owners, the most important thing by far is staying in the Champions League. In case anyone hadn't noticed, we're currently 4th, and that's without any youth players featuring. Of course you could say "Well then, clearly isn't working, try youth! Can't be much worse", but clearly it can. We could be out of the CL players all together.

The foundations upon which everything else will be built in the Financial Fair Play world is revenue. And that comes by challenging at the very top, in the best competitions, and ideally winning them from time to time. This season is demonstrating how easily we could be dumped out - You don't take the chance unless you're pretty damn sure.

So what you are is that we only use player from the academy when there is no risk involved , when you can guarantee that they will be a success. We may be waiting a long time then....

FFP has begun to bite, our first team is growing old together and it has limited our appeal to attract the best players in the world. The one advantage we did have , which was throwing around massive contacts , has now gone...as this is now the going rate

Adopting the model we have currently have, that is signing a squad full of imported talent , will slowly see the standard of the squad reduce over the next few years as we are now operating in a level playing field. Our competitive advantage is that we can invest UNLIMITED money into the academy with no restriction, everyone else can of course but our owners have the cash flow that NO ONE else does. We must leverage this , and we may as well start doing it as soon as possible

 

[Deleted member 58678]

I thought his comments on the academy were quite telling , he's preaching patience , intimating that the players we have aren't ready yet.

He then says that maybe someone may surprise and be able to make the step up to the 'professional' level.

This to me condemns him as a man who is not interested in youth development unless the players are that good they demand to be in the first team. Unfortunately talent at that level is few and far between , proper youth development requires having faith in a young player and sometimes giving him the chance in the team ahead of a more experienced player.

He then moans about us not signing world class players because of ffp.

He needs to go in my opinion , we need someone who is prepared to blood young players and is happy give chances to the undoubted young talent we have.

We need to start adopting the holistic 433 at first team level, the players that we have been linked to would indictate that we are going to.....sterling , de bruyne , Barkley , Pogba would not be suited to slow build up play in pellegrinis 4222

So, so easy to say that. Maybe we haven't been blooding any youngsters because none of them are good enough? You can bet your house if the next man puts Angelino out there during a run of 5 defeats on the bounce he won't be getting any slack from fans to blood anyone - Angelino will be offered a free car journey to his club of choice by a number of blues and the manager will be out on his arse. Your last paragraph probably goes a long way to explaining why no-one has made the step up yet - We have an academy full of players everyone wants to see play for the first team, and at the first opportunity to spend big we're going to go out and buy a shedload of new expensive young players! That's not just Pellegrini driving that.

People forget that whilst developing youth and playing attractive football are important to our owners, the most important thing by far is staying in the Champions League. In case anyone hadn't noticed, we're currently 4th, and that's without any youth players featuring. Of course you could say "Well then, clearly isn't working, try youth! Can't be much worse", but clearly it can. We could be out of the CL players all together.

The foundations upon which everything else will be built in the Financial Fair Play world is revenue. And that comes by challenging at the very top, in the best competitions, and ideally winning them from time to time. This season is demonstrating how easily we could be dumped out - You don't take the chance unless you're pretty damn sure.

The player that jumps straight from the youth set up to a team competing for the premier league and champions league is very rare. I would be very surprised to see any of our players do that without a season or two on loan somewhere. Lopes and Denayer are the only two anywhere near at the moment

I don't think either of them are anywhere near, it's just that they're ahead of the others.

Is be surprised if either signed for anyone above the level of Sociodad/Bremen/Stoke ie. mid table level squads.

 

[baildon blue]

Just seen his press conference before this match .
He looks like a man who's about to be sacked .

 

[Sergio<3]

Just seen his press conference before this match .
He looks like a man who's about to be sacked .

Why??