Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

[uwe rosler 28]

Look at the players Van Gaal has developed, the trophies he's won, and the esteem in which he's held. Pellegrini is a number of levels bellow in every regard.

Pellegrini inherited the most complete squad in the league, against a Chelsea with no decent strikers and a Ferguson-era United void there to be filled. Van Gaal inherited chaos, a team that saw 3 of it's long established back 4 leave, and has gotten them to within a few points of us despite a raft of new players to integrate, while still blooding youth with a view to future prosperity. They've also conceded fewer league goals than us, and looked far more convincing away at Anfield than we did a few weeks back. Rodgers did Pellegrini tactically, Van Gaal educated Rodgers yesterday.

He is better than Pellegrini. His CV is the proof.

How did we do against the rags this season ? we won because they got a man sent off .. if you watch the game again youll find they were difficult to play against before the sending off. we got lucky , but we may not get lucky in the second derby.

Good to see honest, subjective analysis of the first derby and the bigger picture here. The reality is they have more points from the big games than us this season and there is every reason for us to be apprehensive going into the game with them.

Moving forward, we need a Van Gaal-type to help forge a legitimate elite club identity over the next few seasons; ultimately whoever succeeds Pellegrini is going to have a huge rebuild on their hands, as the squad is in a much worse state now than when he got hold of it, both in terms of personnel and mentality.

While I agree that, given our current form, we do have reason to be apprehensive going into the game against them, and, indeed, that a case could be made for Van Gaal being the more successful manager over their respective careers, it nonetheless strikes me as a bit rich of you to talk about 'honest, subjective analysis' in relation to any issue concerning Pellegrini. Pretty much every post you make includes some none-too-subtle dig at him; it seems to me like you clearly have an axe to grind.

Lucky in the derby in what way? We made a player make to poor challenges due to being able to move the ball round them with ease I'm sure we should have been 2 up before that and had 3 stone wall penalties turned down! If I remember rightly the rags had 1 shot on target and a fellani header wide near the end! They were lucky not to be on the end of a thumping! Just like a few other times this season! Were as all this shit come from that we should fear the derby? They've played well twice all season and only first half at Liverpool! I will agree that the turtle out smarted brenda yesterday but his defence won't have the time to play against 2 up top! Ffs get a grip blues we are going to put them firmly in there place April 12th!

 

[OB1]

There is some outrageous fucking shite being spouted in this thread.

If we're going to be subjective then be fucking subjective and don't just pick and choose certain aspects to suit your argument.

At least acknowledge that we have been sanctioned and others have not which gives them an advantage from the off. Acknowledge that the Rags didn't have European football to contend with and could focus solely on the Premier League.

This bollox about our resources and we should be winning the title every year because drives me up the fucking wall. We have the resources to compete at the very top, which we are doing in case some hadn't noticed, we have no divine right to fucking anything and it wouldn't go amiss to acknowledge that our competitors have the resources too.

Sorry, I'm ranting because I can't believe the spoilt child attitude that has developed amongst Blues, it fucking disgusts me.

Some of our support does seem to have developed a mard-arsed entitlement; which is sometimes allied to a to a view that has been tainted by their high dudgeon over the Mancini departure, which means that they want to stick the knife into the Barca Boys and their head coach. It makes for a toxic cocktail and, IMO, a lack of genuine objectivity.

 

[mosssideblue]

Not calling anyone out because they know who they are, but this thread has become infested with swamp dwellers

 

[blue ranger]

If anything pisses me off both in this and the 12/13 Season it was the failure of the Club to distance themselves from the scum. Turtle has either through good luck or good judgement now stumbled across a pattern of play that his side suits and that they seem very comfortable with.. They now look a better 'team' than us on the recent performances.
Lets face it with our resources we should now be approaching our 4th consecutive Title .
Through poor management at all levels we are 'potless' for no other reason than a failure at a strategic level.
Its all very well quoting the 'long term project ' etc etc' but nothing is a substitute for success upon success upon success.
Winners do not take a breather and let your rivals up off the floor-you beat them to a pulp at every opportunity. We do not have that winning mentality at the Club.

I wish Manuel could get lucky like that

He did get lucky like that before xmas when we had no strikers fit so had to flood the midfield and won about 8 or 9 matches on the bounce. Then he got the strikers fit and reverted to 4-4-2. If we'd have played 4-2-3-1 all season and not pissed about rotating the back 4 we'd have walked the league.

 

[mosssideblue]

Didn't say he didn't. Said he and Blind were the only two yesterday that weren't at United last year. You didn't respond to my second point. Do you think VG is a better manager.?

LVG is a top manager with a very expensive squad so he should be expected to do well. I have always expected that he would win some trophies with the Rags (although it won't be this season) and I have always felt that his reign there would eventually end in tears. Hopefully, I will be wrong on the first count but it could go the other way.

Is LVG better than Pellegrini? I really don't know but he is a different animal and has had a different career. LVG is more likely to try a variety of approaches than Pellegrini. I'd like Pellegrini to be more pragmatic but his brief is to play attacking football etc and one of the reasons I assume he got the job is because he is prepared to plough that furrow even when the going gets tough. It might not please people on BlueMoan but let's see if it continues to please his bosses when we ge to the end of the season.

He is better than Pellegrini. His CV is the proof.

How did we do against the rags this season ? we won because they got a man sent off .. if you watch the game again youll find they were difficult to play against before the sending off. we got lucky , but we may not get lucky in the second derby.

Your posts really brighten up my day. Very strange analysis. HTF did we get lucky?

 

[sir baconface]

Sad as I am, I've read the entire thread and found zero enlightenment on which manager would be both available and an unassailable choice.

I can't see the suits or the owers succumbing to an "anyone but Pellegrini" policy so I fully expect Manuel to be here next season.

 

[ancoats]

would you give pellegrini £200million to build a team I don't think I would ?????????

Its of great relief for us all that its got nothing to do with you, maybe one day you will understand why we have a director of football, and a first team coach.

I don't take that its the director of football and the board and first team coach ????????

the manager must have full control of things at first team level and that's players signed or playing each week and the opposition we play each week then you set a plan with your coach and first team players to play each game

Manuel Pellegrini is daft if he sign a deal to be manager of Manchester city and let the rest sign players and let the first team coach do all the setup plays and plan how to play the opposition on a weekend or midweek game


?????????[/quote]Its of great relief for us all that its got nothing to do with you.[/quote]

?????????[/quote]maybe one day you will understand why we have a director of football, and a first team coach.[/quote]

you are daft if your thinking I know nothing about football or Manchester city i understand what going on right in front of my eyes and its Manuel Pellegrini going to be sacked before the summer or after the last game or a couple of weeks before he's gone

the money we are going to send is to big for Manuel Pellegrini and its for a new manager its a carrot to be dangle infront of a world class manager. I would be socked if we have not pick our man already and set plans for players coming in and out in the summer

the back room stuff that goes on is shocking to some but mark my words the club will not stand still in the market they know what needs to happen and they will make it happen

 

[mosssideblue]

would you give pellegrini £200million to build a team I don't think I would ?????????

Its of great relief for us all that its got nothing to do with you, maybe one day you will understand why we have a director of football, and a first team coach.

I don't take that its the director of football and the board and first team coach ????????

the manager must have full control of things at first team level and that's players signed or playing each week and the opposition we play each week then you set a plan with your coach and first team players to play each game

Manuel Pellegrini is daft if he sign a deal to be manager of Manchester city and let the rest sign players and let the first team coach do all the setup plays and plan how to play the opposition on a weekend or midweek game


?????????

Its of great relief for us all that its got nothing to do with you.[/quote]

?????????[/quote]maybe one day you will understand why we have a director of football, and a first team coach.[/quote]

you are daft if your thinking I know nothing about football or Manchester city i understand what going on right in front of my eyes and its Manuel Pellegrini going to be sacked before the summer or after the last game or a couple of weeks before he's gone

the money we are going to send is to big for Manuel Pellegrini and its for a new manager its a carrot to be dangle infront of a world class manager. I would be socked if we have not pick our man already and set plans for players coming in and out in the summer

the back room stuff that goes on is shocking to some but mark my words the club will not stand still in the market they know what needs to happen and they will make it happen[/quote]


Oh Dear

 

[cibaman]

If anything pisses me off both in this and the 12/13 Season it was the failure of the Club to distance themselves from the scum. Turtle has either through good luck or good judgement now stumbled across a pattern of play that his side suits and that they seem very comfortable with.. They now look a better 'team' than us on the recent performances.
Lets face it with our resources we should now be approaching our 4th consecutive Title .
Through poor management at all levels we are 'potless' for no other reason than a failure at a strategic level.
Its all very well quoting the 'long term project ' etc etc' but nothing is a substitute for success upon success upon success.
Winners do not take a breather and let your rivals up off the floor-you beat them to a pulp at every opportunity. We do not have that winning mentality at the Club.

I wish Manuel could get lucky like that

He did get lucky like that before xmas when we had no strikers fit so had to flood the midfield and won about 8 or 9 matches on the bounce. Then he got the strikers fit and reverted to 4-4-2. If we'd have played 4-2-3-1 all season and not pissed about rotating the back 4 we'd have walked the league.

Leicester, Palace, WBA, Burnley, Sunderland. 4 wins and a draw. Not bad but not quite the golden era that some people think.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

would you give pellegrini £200million to build a team I don't think I would ?????????

Its of great relief for us all that its got nothing to do with you, maybe one day you will understand why we have a director of football, and a first team coach.

I don't take that its the director of football and the board and first team coach ????????

the manager must have full control of things at first team level and that's players signed or playing each week and the opposition we play each week then you set a plan with your coach and first team players to play each game

Manuel Pellegrini is daft if he sign a deal to be manager of Manchester city and let the rest sign players and let the first team coach do all the setup plays and plan how to play the opposition on a weekend or midweek game


?????????

Its of great relief for us all that its got nothing to do with you.[/quote]

?????????[/quote]maybe one day you will understand why we have a director of football, and a first team coach.[/quote]

you are daft if your thinking I know nothing about football or Manchester city i understand what going on right in front of my eyes and its Manuel Pellegrini going to be sacked before the summer or after the last game or a couple of weeks before he's gone

the money we are going to send is to big for Manuel Pellegrini and its for a new manager its a carrot to be dangle infront of a world class manager. I would be socked if we have not pick our man already and set plans for players coming in and out in the summer

the back room stuff that goes on is shocking to some but mark my words the club will not stand still in the market they know what needs to happen and they will make it happen[/quote]

Typing whilst pissed or driving down a cobbled street; never a good idea

 

[mastermind]

Look at the players Van Gaal has developed, the trophies he's won, and the esteem in which he's held. Pellegrini is a number of levels bellow in every regard.

Pellegrini inherited the most complete squad in the league, against a Chelsea with no decent strikers and a Ferguson-era United void there to be filled. Van Gaal inherited chaos, a team that saw 3 of it's long established back 4 leave, and has gotten them to within a few points of us despite a raft of new players to integrate, while still blooding youth with a view to future prosperity. They've also conceded fewer league goals than us, and looked far more convincing away at Anfield than we did a few weeks back. Rodgers did Pellegrini tactically, Van Gaal educated Rodgers yesterday.



Good to see honest, subjective analysis of the first derby and the bigger picture here. The reality is they have more points from the big games than us this season and there is every reason for us to be apprehensive going into the game with them.

Moving forward, we need a Van Gaal-type to help forge a legitimate elite club identity over the next few seasons; ultimately whoever succeeds Pellegrini is going to have a huge rebuild on their hands, as the squad is in a much worse state now than when he got hold of it, both in terms of personnel and mentality.

While I agree that, given our current form, we do have reason to be apprehensive going into the game against them, and, indeed, that a case could be made for Van Gaal being the more successful manager over their respective careers, it nonetheless strikes me as a bit rich of you to talk about 'honest, subjective analysis' in relation to any issue concerning Pellegrini. Pretty much every post you make includes some none-too-subtle dig at him; it seems to me like you clearly have an axe to grind.

Lucky in the derby in what way? We made a player make to poor challenges due to being able to move the ball round them with ease I'm sure we should have been 2 up before that and had 3 stone wall penalties turned down! If I remember rightly the rags had 1 shot on target and a fellani header wide near the end! They were lucky not to be on the end of a thumping! Just like a few other times this season! Were as all this shit come from that we should fear the derby? They've played well twice all season and only first half at Liverpool! I will agree that the turtle out smarted brenda yesterday but his defence won't have the time to play against 2 up top! Ffs get a grip blues we are going to put them firmly in there place April 12th!

before the sending off there was absolutley no difference between the two teams, this is the truth wether we like it or not .

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

While I agree that, given our current form, we do have reason to be apprehensive going into the game against them, and, indeed, that a case could be made for Van Gaal being the more successful manager over their respective careers, it nonetheless strikes me as a bit rich of you to talk about 'honest, subjective analysis' in relation to any issue concerning Pellegrini. Pretty much every post you make includes some none-too-subtle dig at him; it seems to me like you clearly have an axe to grind.

Lucky in the derby in what way? We made a player make to poor challenges due to being able to move the ball round them with ease I'm sure we should have been 2 up before that and had 3 stone wall penalties turned down! If I remember rightly the rags had 1 shot on target and a fellani header wide near the end! They were lucky not to be on the end of a thumping! Just like a few other times this season! Were as all this shit come from that we should fear the derby? They've played well twice all season and only first half at Liverpool! I will agree that the turtle out smarted brenda yesterday but his defence won't have the time to play against 2 up top! Ffs get a grip blues we are going to put them firmly in there place April 12th!

before the sending off there was absolutley no difference between the two teams, this is the truth wether we like it or not .

With 399 posts you're nothing if not dedicated, cos anyone who thinks that a game in which the rags offered the sum total of nothing until about the 70th minute, was in some way a contest of equals, definitely sleeps under a Ryan Giggs duvet

 

[GaudinoMotors]

There is some outrageous fucking shite being spouted in this thread.

If we're going to be subjective then be fucking subjective and don't just pick and choose certain aspects to suit your argument.

At least acknowledge that we have been sanctioned and others have not which gives them an advantage from the off. Acknowledge that the Rags didn't have European football to contend with and could focus solely on the Premier League.

This bollox about our resources and we should be winning the title every year because drives me up the fucking wall. We have the resources to compete at the very top, which we are doing in case some hadn't noticed, we have no divine right to fucking anything and it wouldn't go amiss to acknowledge that our competitors have the resources too.

Sorry, I'm ranting because I can't believe the spoilt child attitude that has developed amongst Blues, it fucking disgusts me.

Some of our support does seem to have developed a mard-arsed entitlement; which is sometimes allied to a to a view that has been tainted by their high dudgeon over the Mancini departure, which means that they want to stick the knife into the Barca Boys and their head coach. It makes for a toxic cocktail and, IMO, a lack of genuine objectivity.

Is it unreasonable to expect improvements and express concerns or is that being a mardy arse, Mancini loving, spoilt child, swamp dweller?
Of course there is a context - other teams improving, good ol FFP etc but looking solely at City our performances have been more disappointing than not this season.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

That sh(ut the fuck up) bloke has amused me tonight, very funny. Deluded but funny

 

[OB1]

There is some outrageous fucking shite being spouted in this thread.

If we're going to be subjective then be fucking subjective and don't just pick and choose certain aspects to suit your argument.

At least acknowledge that we have been sanctioned and others have not which gives them an advantage from the off. Acknowledge that the Rags didn't have European football to contend with and could focus solely on the Premier League.

This bollox about our resources and we should be winning the title every year because drives me up the fucking wall. We have the resources to compete at the very top, which we are doing in case some hadn't noticed, we have no divine right to fucking anything and it wouldn't go amiss to acknowledge that our competitors have the resources too.

Sorry, I'm ranting because I can't believe the spoilt child attitude that has developed amongst Blues, it fucking disgusts me.

Some of our support does seem to have developed a mard-arsed entitlement; which is sometimes allied to a to a view that has been tainted by their high dudgeon over the Mancini departure, which means that they want to stick the knife into the Barca Boys and their head coach. It makes for a toxic cocktail and, IMO, a lack of genuine objectivity.

Is it unreasonable to expect improvements and express concerns or is that being a mardy arse, Mancini loving, spoilt child, swamp dweller?
Of course there is a context - other teams improving, good ol FFP etc but looking solely at City our performances have been more disappointing than not this season.

Nothing wrong with wanting improvement or with being disappointed with some of this season's performances. And if you want to go about if from the angle of being a mardy arse, Mancini loving, spoilt child, swamp dweller, you are quite entitled to do so.

 

[eversince 76]

As l said all along. Soon we have "fans" behaving like rags. Not appreciating what has happened last year or circumstances that actually do count why it's been a difficult season so far. Let alone what's been happening over the past 6 years. Just expecting the sheik to spent and bring in a new manager whenever we go through a blip. Actually they are blaming the sheik for not bringing in the right manager and technical directors. We need a new owner who understands football ...

 

[OB1]

As l said all along. Soon we have "fans" behaving like rags. Not appreciating what has happened last year or circumstances that actually do count why it's been a difficult season so far. Let alone what's been happening over the past 6 years. Just expecting the sheik to spent and bring in a new manager whenever we go through a blip. Actually they are blaming the sheik for not bringing in the right manager and technical directors. We need a new owner who understands football ...

Just so long as we don't go Dutch.

 

[nellyonthewing]

As l said all along. Soon we have "fans" behaving like rags. Not appreciating what has happened last year or circumstances that actually do count why it's been a difficult season so far. Let alone what's been happening over the past 6 years. Just expecting the sheik to spent and bring in a new manager whenever we go through a blip. Actually they are blaming the sheik for not bringing in the right manager and technical directors. We need a new owner who understands football ...

Just so long as we don't go Dutch.

I don't see anyone "blaming the sheik" or wanting him to spend.. Just answer yes or no.

-Has this squad achieved everything it was capable of in the past 4 Seasons?
-Was the available money spent well?
-Was the leadership,organisation and tactics sufficient to deliver success?


Personally I'd answer No to all 3. Had the answer been 'Yes' then we'd be looking at another Title.

Disappointment and frustration at being highly unlikely to win it is not 'being spoilt' ,or unrealistic,or failing to appreciate all that has been done over the past 6 years ,for me its the missed opportunity to make history .

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

The rags have spent £200m in 12 months , and increased their wage bill by 50% , taking this into account van gaal has actually under achieved ,in comparison MP has spent a net less than £70m , and also helped to halve our wage bill.
We also play attractive attacking football , we dont play long ball to a big balloon up front like the rags , the next derby game will only confirm the gulf between the sides , we have played them off the park for 4 or 5 seasons now , and this will continue.
Ferrano and his mate have failed MP miserably with their recruitments , and they cannot afford to waste money this summer , we need the right players at the right money due to FFP , the chavs , arse , rags and dippers have all improved whilst we have regressed this season , so its vital we get our 2015 transfers 100% correct , or we could be struggling to make the top 4 next season.
If the club dismiss another manager just 12 months after a title victory , the club are going to look like c*nts ,we should keep MP but bring in PV to assist , to be groomed as our next manager and he can also bring through the EDS / U-19 players.

 

[eversince 76]

As l said all along. Soon we have "fans" behaving like rags. Not appreciating what has happened last year or circumstances that actually do count why it's been a difficult season so far. Let alone what's been happening over the past 6 years. Just expecting the sheik to spent and bring in a new manager whenever we go through a blip. Actually they are blaming the sheik for not bringing in the right manager and technical directors. We need a new owner who understands football ...

Just so long as we don't go Dutch.

I don't see anyone "blaming the sheik" or wanting him to spend.. Just answer yes or no.

-Has this squad achieved everything it was capable of in the past 4 Seasons?
-Was the available money spent well?
-Was the leadership,organisation and tactics sufficient to deliver success?


Personally I'd answer No to all 3. Had the answer been 'Yes' then we'd be looking at another Title.

Disappointment and frustration at being highly unlikely to win it is not 'being spoilt' ,or unrealistic,or failing to appreciate all that has been done over the past 6 years ,for me its the missed opportunity to make history .

Exactly. Just because you say no to all 3 in a way says the sheik is incompetent as an owner of a footballclub. He has the final say and appoint his advisers.

But than again you say we missed a chance to make history. We made history over the last 4 years mate. Most succesfull period for the club ever. Thanks to the sheik. But you rather want another manager because the current one won a double scoring loads of goals with his team last year. And so in the end you DO blame the sheik for all the no's as the man responsible for the clubs' happenings.