Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini (2014/15)

[Marvin]

The rags have spent £200m in 12 months , and increased their wage bill by 50% , taking this into account van gaal has actually under achieved ,in comparison MP has spent a net less than £70m , and also helped to halve our wage bill.
We also play attractive attacking football , we dont play long ball to a big balloon up front like the rags , the next derby game will only confirm the gulf between the sides , we have played them off the park for 4 or 5 seasons now , and this will continue.
Ferrano and his mate have failed MP miserably with their recruitments , and they cannot afford to waste money this summer , we need the right players at the right money due to FFP , the chavs , arse , rags and dippers have all improved whilst we have regressed this season , so its vital we get our 2015 transfers 100% correct , or we could be struggling to make the top 4 next season.
If the club dismiss another manager just 12 months after a title victory , the club are going to look like c*nts ,we should keep MP but bring in PV to assist , to be groomed as our next manager and he can also bring through the EDS / U-19 players.

The season isn't over. If Utd finish in the top 3 LVG will have done well, no matter how much they have spent

if City finish reasonably well, then Pellegrini has probably earned another season. This has been a disappointing season, but does that make you a bad manager? He was a great manager a few months ago.

Klopp & Ancelotti are having poor seasons (so far). Simeone too.

 

[cleavers]

would you give pellegrini £200million to build a team I don't think I would ?????????

Its of great relief for us all that its got nothing to do with you, maybe one day you will understand why we have a director of football, and a first team coach.

I don't take that its the director of football and the board and first team coach ????????

the manager must have full control of things at first team level and that's players signed or playing each week and the opposition we play each week then you set a plan with your coach and first team players to play each game

Manuel Pellegrini is daft if he sign a deal to be manager of Manchester city and let the rest sign players and let the first team coach do all the setup plays and plan how to play the opposition on a weekend or midweek game


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Its of great relief for us all that its got nothing to do with you.

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maybe one day you will understand why we have a director of football, and a first team coach.

you are daft if your thinking I know nothing about football or Manchester city i understand what going on right in front of my eyes and its Manuel Pellegrini going to be sacked before the summer or after the last game or a couple of weeks before he's gone

the money we are going to send is to big for Manuel Pellegrini and its for a new manager its a carrot to be dangle infront of a world class manager. I would be socked if we have not pick our man already and set plans for players coming in and out in the summer

the back room stuff that goes on is shocking to some but mark my words the club will not stand still in the market they know what needs to happen and they will make it happen

You rarely disappoint.

Still, amazingly, you did manage one statement I think is right, but just not how you hope it will happen.

 

[OB1]

As l said all along. Soon we have "fans" behaving like rags. Not appreciating what has happened last year or circumstances that actually do count why it's been a difficult season so far. Let alone what's been happening over the past 6 years. Just expecting the sheik to spent and bring in a new manager whenever we go through a blip. Actually they are blaming the sheik for not bringing in the right manager and technical directors. We need a new owner who understands football ...

Just so long as we don't go Dutch.

I don't see anyone "blaming the sheik" or wanting him to spend.. Just answer yes or no.

-Has this squad achieved everything it was capable of in the past 4 Seasons?
-Was the available money spent well?
-Was the leadership,organisation and tactics sufficient to deliver success?


Personally I'd answer No to all 3. Had the answer been 'Yes' then we'd be looking at another Title.

Disappointment and frustration at being highly unlikely to win it is not 'being spoilt' ,or unrealistic,or failing to appreciate all that has been done over the past 6 years ,for me its the missed opportunity to make history .

Success has been delivered and so I'd say that's at least two yes answers and what the squad has delivered could be self-evidently said to be what it was capable of!

Unless you win everything or achieve perfection i.e. do the impossible, people,can always find fault. City could have done better but they haven't. They could also have done worse. This is real life. Shit happens. What we should expect of the club is that it learns from what has happened and keeps improving. What people need to remember though is improvement is not linear. This club has made huge progress under the Sheik's ownership and we have no good reason to think that we will not see significant further progress in the coming years.

 

[meltonblue]

"The rags have spent £200m in 12 months , and increased their wage bill by 50% , taking this into account van gaal has actually under achieved ,in comparison MP has spent a net less than £70m , and also helped to halve our wage bill."

Whilst I agree with the sentiment, I don't think they have increased their wages by 50%, nor have we halved ours.

Asset wise in terms of players, then absolutely.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Some of our support does seem to have developed a mard-arsed entitlement; which is sometimes allied to a to a view that has been tainted by their high dudgeon over the Mancini departure, which means that they want to stick the knife into the Barca Boys and their head coach. It makes for a toxic cocktail and, IMO, a lack of genuine objectivity.

Is it unreasonable to expect improvements and express concerns or is that being a mardy arse, Mancini loving, spoilt child, swamp dweller?
Of course there is a context - other teams improving, good ol FFP etc but looking solely at City our performances have been more disappointing than not this season.

Nothing wrong with wanting improvement or with being disappointed with some of this season's performances. And if you want to go about if from the angle of being a mardy arse, Mancini loving, spoilt child, swamp dweller, you are quite entitled to do so.

Thank you Sire - and I will defend your right to your happy clappy, bigger blue, look where we've come from, o so humble, appeasement approach should you wish to ;-)

Or could just make and debate points without the put downs.

 

[blueinsa]

Using the fucking Rags and the tactical turtle who has been the butt of not just ours but everyone in footballs jokes this season as a stick to beat the gaffer, Txiki and the club is the stuff of desperate men, it really fucking is.

They are behind us in the fucking league ffs and will win fuck all, despite having the biggest wage bill and spend of late!

 

[BillyShears]

I think this is important and deserves posting. Apologies if it's been posted elsewhere already.

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“(Mancini) would walk straight by you in the corridor without even saying hello,” he told the Irish Independent.

“Manuel Pellegrini has a lot of respect for the club’s academy players and makes sure we keep involved in everything around the club.

“He’s brought the youths, under-21s and first-team much closer together now. Whereas we’d use different facilities to the first-team before, everything is open for all the squads now. It’s a real family atmosphere.”

I'm not bothered about the dig at Mancini - more interested in the respect that someone like Byrne clearly has for Pellegrini.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I think this is important and deserves posting. Apologies if it's been posted elsewhere already.

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“(Mancini) would walk straight by you in the corridor without even saying hello,” he told the Irish Independent.

“Manuel Pellegrini has a lot of respect for the club’s academy players and makes sure we keep involved in everything around the club.

“He’s brought the youths, under-21s and first-team much closer together now. Whereas we’d use different facilities to the first-team before, everything is open for all the squads now. It’s a real family atmosphere.”

I'm not bothered about the dig at Mancini - more interested in the respect that someone like Byrne clearly has for Pellegrini.

It says plenty......i posted it in the EDS thread.

It certainly adds weight to the argument to keep him,he clearly believes in youth but just hasnt felt the time is right.Next season i imagine will be different.

 

[BillyShears]

It certainly adds weight to the argument to keep him,he clearly believes in youth but just hasnt felt the time is right.Next season i imagine will be different.

I was very disappointed with our team selections in the league cup. I said as much at the time - we should've given some of the kids a chance. However when I read things like what Byrne has said it shows that 'holistic' isn't just a load of bollocks as some people have said recently, but more about a mentality throughout the club which has everyone pulling in the right direction. Including the gaffer.

It's also important to read things like that in terms of bringing other young players to the club. We lost out on Sterling as Ibe when they were kids - I'd like to think in future we'd pull those players in as youth players.

 

[FantasyIreland]

We have done recently MA......Jordan Sancho:-)

 

[BillyShears]

We have done recently MA......Jordan Sancho:-)

Nice! I must admit I don't follow our EDS development as closely as I should. Who is he/is he any good etc ?

 

[FantasyIreland]

We have done recently MA......Jordan Sancho:-)

Nice! I must admit I don't follow our EDS development as closely as I should. Who is he/is he any good etc ?

By hearsay only......a mini Sterling......just won the most valuable player award at our recent u15 tournament triumph!

He has his own thread,check it out

 

[RandomJ]

I think this is important and deserves posting. Apologies if it's been posted elsewhere already.

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“(Mancini) would walk straight by you in the corridor without even saying hello,” he told the Irish Independent.

“Manuel Pellegrini has a lot of respect for the club’s academy players and makes sure we keep involved in everything around the club.

“He’s brought the youths, under-21s and first-team much closer together now. Whereas we’d use different facilities to the first-team before, everything is open for all the squads now. It’s a real family atmosphere.”

I'm not bothered about the dig at Mancini - more interested in the respect that someone like Byrne clearly has for Pellegrini.

It says plenty......i posted it in the EDS thread.

It certainly adds weight to the argument to keep him,he clearly believes in youth but just hasnt felt the time is right.Next season i imagine will be different.

I can't see next season being any different at all. If anything if he keeps his job Pellegrini will be under extreme pressure and scrutiny to make sure City have a successful season after this shit one. We will buy big in the summer and bring more talent to the club which will stop any kids being promoted. And the pressure on him winning trophies and getting good results means I don't think he will risk playing any of the kids unless we have an injury crisis.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I think one or two may force his hand.......no reason Angelino cant step up at the expense of Kolarov and Denayer will be pushing for a place on the bench.Lopes may be better on loan again but its not through lack of ability.

 

[BillyShears]

I think one or two may force his hand.......no reason Angelino cant step up at the expense of Kolarov and Denayer will be pushing for a place on the bench.Lopes may be better on loan again but its not through lack of ability.

Yep, and honestly, when it comes to the crunch I don't want a kid being promoted unless the coaches have confidence in them. This is a long term investment, not a short term fix. What's important is that the youth team players respect the first team manager.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I like Pellers and was glad to read that he has a good rapport with some of the youth team players. He gave Pozo a chance (largely out of necessity) but overlooked other prospects.

It has been evident that English players in the squad have felt out of favour - hence the quota tag and Milner will move on - so MP has more to do on the holistic front.

I agree with MP that young English players are over priced but the fact that he keeps mentioning this creates doubts.

 

[flb]

Sometimes you have try the sink or swim method, these EDS Lads find themselves out on loan at unsuitable club's and they are finished before there careers have started . They must get 1st team experience at this club, Angelino is an absolute must for the squad next season, very very good fullback, Barker is another who should be in the squad, Great time to play them in the domestics even at the expense of early cup exits , it wouldn't bother fans if we see some of our own giving there all. It's Txiki's most important job for me, we have to bite the bullet sooner or later, even if we consolidate for another season to bring these kids on.

Great to hear that the EDS Lads feel part of the team under the manager.

 

[BobKowalski]

With respect to youth development and opportunities in the first team the Newcastle Cup game was a case of actions speak louder than words. Whoever is in charge next season and irrespective of how friendly they are when passing the youngsters in corridors I would like to see a deliberate strategy of playing some of our prospects in the League Cup game(s). It may not be much but it's a start.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Comments like this make me think he knows he's toast:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/11517657/Manuel-Pellegrini-demands-more-top-signings-for-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

Manuel Pellegrini has demanded Manchester City sign more truly world-class, game-changing players in the summer as he looks for a convincing excuse for what looks destined to become a barren season.
City travel to Crystal Palace on Monday night trailing Premier League leaders Chelsea by nine points and Pellegrini may well pay the price for failing to win a trophy in his second season as manager by losing job.
That decision is yet to be taken and it should not be forgotten the Chilean won two – the Premier League and the Capital One Cup – in his first year.
•Pardew: I could do better than top managers
Pellegrini has become increasingly terse when questioned about City’s stuttering season, but he conceded City needed to sign a different type of player in the summer if they were going to compete for top honours, both at home and abroad.
“It is just the way of thinking, that big teams need to sign a big player,” said Pellegrini. “It is very difficult to do it every year – but every two years you must do it.
“I’m not just talking about Manchester City. You see Real Madrid, Manchester United, Chelsea, Barcelona and Bayern Munich – all the big clubs – all do it. It is important to have big names.
“I repeat, it is very difficult to do it every year, but it is important to do it after two years and you must try, always, to improve your squad. I’m talking about all big teams, not especially Manchester City.”
Not that Pellegrini will be willing to discuss transfer policy until he knows whether he is going to remain in charge of the team beyond the end of the season.
“I repeat, I don’t want to talk about [plans] for next season because we have to finish this season,” added Pellegrini.
“It is very important the way we finish this season before we analyse all the players. So, it is not the right moment to talk about it.”

He sounds slightly annoyed to me that he never got the opportunity to receive the benefit of a big purchase.

I guess we will find out soon enough.

 

[BillyShears]

Comments like this make me think he knows he's toast:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/11517657/Manuel-Pellegrini-demands-more-top-signings-for-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

Manuel Pellegrini has demanded Manchester City sign more truly world-class, game-changing players in the summer as he looks for a convincing excuse for what looks destined to become a barren season.
City travel to Crystal Palace on Monday night trailing Premier League leaders Chelsea by nine points and Pellegrini may well pay the price for failing to win a trophy in his second season as manager by losing job.
That decision is yet to be taken and it should not be forgotten the Chilean won two – the Premier League and the Capital One Cup – in his first year.
•Pardew: I could do better than top managers
Pellegrini has become increasingly terse when questioned about City’s stuttering season, but he conceded City needed to sign a different type of player in the summer if they were going to compete for top honours, both at home and abroad.
“It is just the way of thinking, that big teams need to sign a big player,” said Pellegrini. “It is very difficult to do it every year – but every two years you must do it.
“I’m not just talking about Manchester City. You see Real Madrid, Manchester United, Chelsea, Barcelona and Bayern Munich – all the big clubs – all do it. It is important to have big names.
“I repeat, it is very difficult to do it every year, but it is important to do it after two years and you must try, always, to improve your squad. I’m talking about all big teams, not especially Manchester City.”
Not that Pellegrini will be willing to discuss transfer policy until he knows whether he is going to remain in charge of the team beyond the end of the season.
“I repeat, I don’t want to talk about [plans] for next season because we have to finish this season,” added Pellegrini.
“It is very important the way we finish this season before we analyse all the players. So, it is not the right moment to talk about it.”

He sounds slightly annoyed to me that he never got the opportunity to receive the benefit of a big purchase.

I guess we will find out soon enough.

Nah. When he starts ranting and raving about how he doesn't work for Txiki and Ferran but only for Khaldoon - that's when you'll know he's toast!

If you actually listen to the comments he made he doesn't sound annoyed, far from it. He simply is pointing out within the context of our FFP sanctions, that we didn't refresh the squad last summer because we couldn't, whereas we will this summer as we can, and most likely with big players.

Pellegrini has been talking about City's ability to spend without restriction this summer since the Jan window closed. Very deliberate and very much with the blessing of his bosses.