Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

[Shaelumstash]

Exactly, it's not cut and dry. It's purely hypothetical, and we will probably never find out because it's extremely unlikely that we'll appoint someone like Monk, Pardew or Martinez and there's a very good reason for that. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I'm confident that Begiristain and Soriano are more qualified to know what it takes to manage City more than you or I do. As such, I'm happy to trust their judgement, until they get it badly wrong that is. Which they haven't so far.

With respect mate, Alex Fergurson was more qualified than you or I to appoint his successor at The Shite, but sometimes qualified people get things wrong too.

 

[hilts]

Exactly, it's not cut and dry. It's purely hypothetical, and we will probably never find out because it's extremely unlikely that we'll appoint someone like Monk, Pardew or Martinez and there's a very good reason for that. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I'm confident that Begiristain and Soriano are more qualified to know what it takes to manage City more than you or I do. As such, I'm happy to trust their judgement, until they get it badly wrong that is. Which they haven't so far.

In fairness ric that is a bit of a cop out, if we take it that those running the club and the manager know more than you or I then why even discuss the manager or even players on here? Why not close every thread under the post

They know what there doing so don't bother

 

[Ric]

With respect mate, Alex Fergurson was more qualified than you or I to appoint his successor at The Shite, but sometimes qualified people get things wrong too.

I'm not sure those situations are comparable. It still seems absurd that United were willing to let the outgoing manager solely choose his successor, but I guess it's testament to the power he wielded at Old Trafford. I like to think our succession planning is a bit more considered though.

Still, it's all subjective. Yourself and hilts either don't like or rate Pellegrini, so it's probably futile carrying on the argument. Even if he wins the league this season it will be because of the players.

For what it's worth, I think he has made mistakes, and certainly isn't infallible but when names like Monk and Pardew are thrown into the mix it's probably easier to agree to disagree.

 

[YaYa's Left Peg]

In fairness ric that is a bit of a cop out, if we take it that those running the club and the manager know more than you or I then why even discuss the manager or even players on here? Why not close every thread under the post

They know what there doing so don't bother

Why don't you apply for the job... I' m sure Sheik Mansour will give you a fair hearing with your extensive and frankly impressive track record....?

 

[hilts]

Why don't you apply for the job... I' m sure Sheik Mansour will give you a fair hearing with your extensive and frankly impressive track record....?

Always nice when someone adds something meaningful to the debate

 

[Ric]

In fairness ric that is a bit of a cop out, if we take it that those running the club and the manager know more than you or I then why even discuss the manager or even players on here? Why not close every thread under the post

They know what there doing so don't bother

But you're comparing Pellegrini to the likes of Monk and Pardew, and then refusing to name legitimate alternatives when asked. It feels a bit like a futile discussion. Your mind on Pellegrini seems to be made up.

 

[cleavers]

For what it's worth, I think he has made mistakes, and certainly isn't infallible but when names like Monk and Pardew are thrown into the mix it's probably easier to agree to disagree.

Exactly that, I don't think there is anyone who doesn't see he makes mistakes, or think he's infallible, as I stated after the performance the other night, he got things wrong (his changes took to long for a start), but given who wasn't available I don't see he had many other options, and ultimately we still had more shots, and more on target than Sevilla, and crucially, as we often do, we scored more goals and won, and it was down to one of his so called bizarre subs, taking Bony off, and pushing Yaya up front (or out of harms way) that we won the game.

He also gets plenty right, an example taking off Sterling at half time against Newcastle, which helped see us run riot, when before it hadn't been working.

Anyone who simply dismisses our injuries, is just plain out to rubbish the manager in my opinion.

 

[hilts]

I'm not sure those situations are comparable. It still seems absurd that United were willing to let the outgoing manager solely choose his successor, but I guess it's testament to the power he wielded at Old Trafford. I like to think our succession planning is a bit more considered though.

Still, it's all subjective. Yourself and hilts either don't like or rate Pellegrini, so it's probably futile carrying on the argument. Even if he wins the league this season it will be because of the players.

For what it's worth, I think he has made mistakes, and certainly isn't infallible but when names like Monk and Pardew are thrown into the mix it's probably easier to agree to disagree.

For the record and I have said this before I think pellegrini is a top bloke, secondly most managers were a monk or Pardew at some point, they better expectations and get a bigger job, this is how pellegrini got the job, it doesn't guarantee anything though, saying the likes of is very unfair on them two

The fact the two of them are British in the current climate means that chance will probably never come their way, Gary monk could literally be the next big thing and a genius but we will never know

 

[hilts]

But you're comparing Pellegrini to the likes of Monk and Pardew, and then refusing to name legitimate alternatives when asked. It feels a bit like a futile discussion. Your mind on Pellegrini seems to be made up.

It is made up over a period of time, there is alternatives but we are discussing pellegrini here so unless you are saying pellegrini should stay because there is literally no other manager out there which doesn't say much for pellegrini, the monk pardewstatement was that I believe managers of that current standing could do a similar job to pellegrini with the players we have, I have never stated they are pep guardiola in waiting

 

[schfc6]

Ric, they will point to Guardiola, who's managed to take Bayern backwards, and not by a little by a lot. Guardiola who continues to display a glaring lack of tactical awareness. Who's team lose to almost any team with players somewhere even close to the players he has. From Porto to Arsenal, anyone playing counter attacking football, with pace will get results against Bayern. Not to mention the two total humbelings they got from Real & Bayern, not long after Bayern destroyed Barcelona.
He's taken a record breaking Bayern team who won the league by 25+ points, a side that achieved 91 points to today's Bayern. He won the league with just 79 points nothing else.
The mighty Pep has taken quadruple winning, point record breaking CL champions. To Bundesliga champions with with 12 less points and just 1 trophy in 2 years.

The sad irony is, Pellegrini fans will be Pep fans, love his attacking style, his gung ho attitude, those that don't like Pellegrini, will hate Pep, and those that watch a lot of European football will simply understand that Pep & Pellegrini are no different.
They are rigid in their style of play and would prefer to lose playing their way than win playing another way.

I asked it on the Pep thread, if Pellegrini managed Bayern's players to the performance and result against Arsenal, what would they say? After 10 minutes I could see Bayern would get caught on the break. Pep couldn't see it, then brought off his centre mids. Terrible management. Yet we laud him.
His management at Bayern has been average at best and Pellegrini would match his achievements comfortably at Bayern.

Pellegrini has won a double. I'd be stunned if he didn't win the league this year, perhaps another trophy to boot. Yet he's against the World's greatest manager. Looks like he's put Jose well in his place.

Someone asked what Pellegrini does well, he wins games. Lots of games. He plays fantastically attractive football. His players seem to love him, the performances seem to back that up.
Does he make mistakes? Yes. That's what happens. Ferguson, the PL's greatest manager threw away a huge lead, lost the league. Guardiola has been bumped by almost any team with the equivilent level of players in the past few years, fuck me even treble winners Barcelons got humped by Guidetti and his crew just 3 weeks ago. Teams lose, teams can look shit.

As a Pellegrini fan, I'll admit he has faults, he makes mistakes. The funny thing is, those that don't rate him, will never give him credit. Facts are, 3 out of our last 4 wins have come on the back of great managerial decissions. Decissions not popular with the fans.

I hope Guardiola comes, he's perfect for our progression, it's a simple fact though. Those who have issues with Manuel will have issues with Pep. As they both present the same frailties.