Already responded to somebody that said the same thing. Yes Juve finished runners up last year but they lost a handful of key players in the summer and there was the likes of PSG Barca and Bayern that we could of got instead of them. Sevilla only qualified for the competition via the Europa league and Gladbach were making their champs league debut. Both of those last two aren't particularly great sides. I'm not claiming it was a cakewalk of a group, there was no easy game but it's one of the easiest groups we've ever had and nobody expected us to struggle to qualify when the draw was made. Sevilla and Gladbach are both decent enough but not teams we should be struggling to beat, We got convincingly beat twice by the only team we should be worried about. I think before it started, most would of said taking 10 points from that group was the minimum we'd expect.