Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[scotty123]

Guardola may sign his new contract then all bets are off. I am stating the obvious here but we will find out what is going to happen after the end of season meeting with all parties. None of us can really predict with any clarity of what that outcome is going to be.

We can't predict that but I do think Bayern are concerned about Pep's intentions.

i really want to believe, but city arent yet bayern, barca or real madrid, why would he come to city, thats the question i keep asking myself

Keep asking it because he's not, he will be at Bayern until Van Gaal goes from the rags and will then take over there, he's a rag sycophant

 

[OB1]

Guardola may sign his new contract then all bets are off. I am stating the obvious here but we will find out what is going to happen after the end of season meeting with all parties. None of us can really predict with any clarity of what that outcome is going to be.

We can't predict that but I do think Bayern are concerned about Pep's intentions.

i really want to believe, but city arent yet bayern, barca or real madrid, why would he come to city, thats the question i keep asking myself

I am not at all confident that he will but there are lots of good reasons why he might:

He learnt English for a reason...

City have the potential to be the dominant English club but getting there presents a challenge and to be truly considered and all time great manager conquering such a challenge would look good on the CV. He has managed clubs in the elite group but putting one there could eclipse his achievements at Barca.

City want to play football the Pep way.

The funding, facilities and ambition at City.

Txiki & Ferran.

The restaurants in Manchester.

 

[RandyBlue]

We can't predict that but I do think Bayern are concerned about Pep's intentions.

i really want to believe, but city arent yet bayern, barca or real madrid, why would he come to city, thats the question i keep asking myself

I am not at all confident that he will but there are lots of good reasons why he might:

He learnt English for a reason...

City have the potential to be the dominant English club but getting there presents a challenge and to be truly considered and all time great manager conquering such a challenge would look good on the CV. He has managed clubs in the elite group but putting one there could eclipse his achievements at Barca.

City want to play football the Pep way.

The funding, facilities and ambition at City.

Txiki & Ferran.

The restaurants in Manchester.

Ha, I was with you there right until the last line, old boy.

 

[OB1]

i really want to believe, but city arent yet bayern, barca or real madrid, why would he come to city, thats the question i keep asking myself

I am not at all confident that he will but there are lots of good reasons why he might:

He learnt English for a reason...

City have the potential to be the dominant English club but getting there presents a challenge and to be truly considered and all time great manager conquering such a challenge would look good on the CV. He has managed clubs in the elite group but putting one there could eclipse his achievements at Barca.

City want to play football the Pep way.

The funding, facilities and ambition at City.

Txiki & Ferran.

The restaurants in Manchester.

Ha, I was with you there right until the last line, old boy.

;-)

 

[pavelsrnicek]

I have a feeling that City are still pinning their hopes on getting Pep.

Thats fine but Txiki will live or die dependant on his success in getting him here this summer imo.

That is certainly a real possibilty.

I think it has to be this summer or not at all as a season on hold for Pep will be a disaster. It will have an effect on our ability to bring in the players we will need this summer.

We will also spend all of next season will be dealing with speculation over Pellegrini/ Benitez/ Sabella/ whoever is in charge. Every bad result will bring question marks. The apathy of players was bad enough but with a manager

We look like we'll wobble into the top 4 this season, can we afford to place everything on hold with the possibility that our top 4 place will be in doubt. Would Guardiola come to City if we weren't in the Champions League?

 

[kalouk]

People are being very negative about next season, the boards decisions etc. The other side of the coin is that things could work out perfectly and the board will play a blinder. If we have this mythical agreement with Pep it could be that we keep Pellegrini and refresh the squad, we have a new lease of life and win the league. Pellegrini leaves with no hard feelings and Pep comes in the following season. We have a man regarded as one of the best managers in the world here. Maybe the board do have a plan and we would be wise to stick to it.

 

[NQCitizen]

People are being very negative about next season, the boards decisions etc. The other side of the coin is that things could work out perfectly and the board will play a blinder. If we have this mythical agreement with Pep it could be that we keep Pellegrini and refresh the squad, we have a new lease of life and win the league. Pellegrini leaves with no hard feelings and Pep comes in the following season. We have a man regarded as one of the best managers in the world here. Maybe the board do have a plan and we would be wise to stick to it.

In fairness the board likely had a plan this season and it probably didn't involve fighting for 4th.

What you say may be true but imo it has only looked like Fernandinho and Aguero were really playing for Pellegrini lately so it might be ambitious to suggest he can turn it all around and then keep control and motivate the squad for a season he'll obviously depart at the end of.

 

[Ray78]

People are being very negative about next season, the boards decisions etc. The other side of the coin is that things could work out perfectly and the board will play a blinder. If we have this mythical agreement with Pep it could be that we keep Pellegrini and refresh the squad, we have a new lease of life and win the league. Pellegrini leaves with no hard feelings and Pep comes in the following season. We have a man regarded as one of the best managers in the world here. Maybe the board do have a plan and we would be wise to stick to it.

In fairness the board likely had a plan this season and it probably didn't involve fighting for 4th.

What you say may be true but imo it has only looked like Fernandinho and Aguero were really playing for Pellegrini lately so it might be ambitious to suggest he can turn it all around and then keep control and motivate the squad for a season he'll obviously depart at the end of.

Finishing 4th will not get him the sack. Finishing out side the champions league spots will. Similar scenario with Wenger and Arsenal.

 

[IWasHere]

Klopp ticks all the boxes for me.

- Plays attractive, exciting football

- Develop young players

- Made a Champion's League final

- Good big game record (his record against Bayern was exceptional until this season)

- His teams press high up the pitch

If Klopp is willing to come to us this summer, we have to get him. I think we'll really regret it if not. I do like Pellegrini and think he would do better with a more balanced and younger squad next season, but Klopp is an upgrade IMO.

The idea of Pep was great 3 years ago. "Pellegrini and Guardiola's contracts are both for 3 years, Pep will replace Pellegrini in 2016." It sounds fantastic on paper, but not in the real world. Football doesn't work like that, planning managers 3 years ahead is almost impossible. If we wait for Guardiola for another year and then he doesn't come, who else is there? Realistically, who would there be?

I'd go as far as saying Guardiola and Klopp, along with Mourinho, are the three best managers in Europe. I don't think we can afford to pass on one of the top 3 managers in Europe.

Get Klopp.

This, can't think of anything else to add really...

 

[BlueDejong]

Daniel Riolo @DanielRiolo
: Barca Bayern !! Mais oui..Et Klopp qui va finir par arriver au PSG, le foot s'est deja porte plus mal... Bielsa qui reste et on est au top

@Cyrilo84 benitez est sur le coup oui, mais Ibra aime Klopp et ne veut plus de Blanc !


PSG....I fucking hate Txiki

 

[BillyShears]

Daniel Riolo @DanielRiolo
: Barca Bayern !! Mais oui..Et Klopp qui va finir par arriver au PSG, le foot s'est deja porte plus mal... Bielsa qui reste et on est au top

@Cyrilo84 benitez est sur le coup oui, mais Ibra aime Klopp et ne veut plus de Blanc !


PSG....I fucking hate Txiki

The guy tweeting that is full of shit. If Klopp were coming to Paris it'd be all over Bein and Canal Plus which as far as I can tell it isn't.

 

[BobKowalski]

People are being very negative about next season, the boards decisions etc. The other side of the coin is that things could work out perfectly and the board will play a blinder. If we have this mythical agreement with Pep it could be that we keep Pellegrini and refresh the squad, we have a new lease of life and win the league. Pellegrini leaves with no hard feelings and Pep comes in the following season. We have a man regarded as one of the best managers in the world here. Maybe the board do have a plan and we would be wise to stick to it.

In fairness the board likely had a plan this season and it probably didn't involve fighting for 4th.

What you say may be true but imo it has only looked like Fernandinho and Aguero were really playing for Pellegrini lately so it might be ambitious to suggest he can turn it all around and then keep control and motivate the squad for a season he'll obviously depart at the end of.

Finishing 4th will not get him the sack. Finishing out side the champions league spots will. Similar scenario with Wenger and Arsenal.

4th is outside of the CL spots. Top 3 gets you an embossed invite to the party. 4th gets you on the waiting list until the snotty maitre de decides you are good enough to be allowed in.

Personally I wouldn't back this lot to qualify against Bangor Town and certainly not with Pellers at the helm doing his 'dead man strapped to the wheel' impression.

 

[Ray78]

In fairness the board likely had a plan this season and it probably didn't involve fighting for 4th.

What you say may be true but imo it has only looked like Fernandinho and Aguero were really playing for Pellegrini lately so it might be ambitious to suggest he can turn it all around and then keep control and motivate the squad for a season he'll obviously depart at the end of.

Finishing 4th will not get him the sack. Finishing out side the champions league spots will. Similar scenario with Wenger and Arsenal.

4th is outside of the CL spots. Top 3 gets you an embossed invite to the party. 4th gets you on the waiting list until the snotty maitre de decides you are good enough to be allowed in.

Personally I wouldn't back this lot to qualify against Bangor Town and certainly not with Pellers at the helm doing his 'dead man strapped to the wheel' impression.

The same could of been said about a Wenger but Arsenal kept faith in him.

 

[Kippax.]

Did some "meaningless (Damocles, 2015)" statting for our top 3 candidates and came up with this:

Win %
Pep 73.8% (347 games)
Carlo 58.2% (962 games)
Klopp 49.2% (579 games)

Trophies
Pep 18
Carlo 17
Klopp 6.

Average Gross Spend per season (since 09/10):
Carlo £102.4m.
Pep £71.8m.
Klopp £28.4m.

Average Net Spend per season (since 09/10):
Carlo -£59.7m.
Pep -£33.4m.
Klopp -£11.8m.

All since 09/10:

Goals per Game:
Pep 2.63.
Carlo 1.89.
Klopp 1.84.

Conceded per Game:
Pep 0.74.
Carlo 0.9.
Klopp 1.2.

Longest winning streak:
Carlo-22 games.
Pep-13 games.
Klopp-10 games.

Longest losing streak:
Pep-2 games.
Carlo-3 games.
Klopp-3 games.

Bounce Back Rate (win following a loss):
Pep-71%.
Carlo-66%.
Klopp-60%.

Shots Per Game:
Carlo-17.8.
Pep-16.8.
Klopp-16.5.

On Target %:
Pep-43.2%.
Klopp-38.9%.
Carlo-37.3%.

Shots within penalty box:
Pep-59.1%.
Klopp-56.4%.
Carlo-54.7%.

Average Possession:
Pep-66.5%.
Carlo-56.9%.
Klopp-52.8%.

Successful Passes per game:
Pep-711.
Carlo-512.
Klopp-479.

Pass Success Rate:
Pep-88.1%
Carlo-84%.
Klopp-77.3%.

% of Successful Passes deemed Short Passes:
Pep-81.8%.
Carlo-75.3%.
Klopp-69.6%.

Successful Dribbles Per Game:
Pep-15.3.
Klopp-11.8.
Carlo-9.6.

Shots conceded per game:
Pep-7.8.
Klopp-9.7.
Carlo-11.6.

Clearances per game:
Pep-14.5.
Klopp-20.2.
Carlo-21.4.

Saves per game:
Pep & Klopp-2.2.
Carlo-2.6.

So as if it needed reiterating, Pep would bring a very different style than Carlo and Klopp, which is probably what is in the back of Txiki's mind. Pep's sides play the possession game, they retain possession, don't whack it up field and require extremely technically gifted players to make it work. They also play out from the back, are more solid defensively, and are more efficient with their shots, particularly around the penalty area.

Considering the resources at their disposal in that time period, Klopp is actually faring well against Carlo, and the stats give the feel that Carlo's sides lack the all-round tightness and maybe polish that a Pep side does. With the similarity in Klopp's and Carlo's stats, I think Klopp comes out rather well, obviously if we want to play a possession game then that area would have to improve, but maybe with the resources behind him that Carlo is afforded then he can work on that with better players.

You can see why Txiki favours Pep though, especially with the effectiveness of his sides in and around the box, and with us having Aguero up there who is as potent as anybody.

going to all that trouble and not one fucker has replied.

Stinker!

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

I have seen many WUM's and trolls on this forum but it seems the city official Twitter page is one of the biggest on the net.

Asking fans to vote Pellers as manager of the year. The piss taking bastards!

 

[emiratblu]

Did some "meaningless (Damocles, 2015)" statting for our top 3 candidates and came up with this:

Win %
Pep 73.8% (347 games)
Carlo 58.2% (962 games)
Klopp 49.2% (579 games)

Trophies
Pep 18
Carlo 17
Klopp 6.

Average Gross Spend per season (since 09/10):
Carlo £102.4m.
Pep £71.8m.
Klopp £28.4m.

Average Net Spend per season (since 09/10):
Carlo -£59.7m.
Pep -£33.4m.
Klopp -£11.8m.

All since 09/10:

Goals per Game:
Pep 2.63.
Carlo 1.89.
Klopp 1.84.

Conceded per Game:
Pep 0.74.
Carlo 0.9.
Klopp 1.2.

Longest winning streak:
Carlo-22 games.
Pep-13 games.
Klopp-10 games.

Longest losing streak:
Pep-2 games.
Carlo-3 games.
Klopp-3 games.

Bounce Back Rate (win following a loss):
Pep-71%.
Carlo-66%.
Klopp-60%.

Shots Per Game:
Carlo-17.8.
Pep-16.8.
Klopp-16.5.

On Target %:
Pep-43.2%.
Klopp-38.9%.
Carlo-37.3%.

Shots within penalty box:
Pep-59.1%.
Klopp-56.4%.
Carlo-54.7%.

Average Possession:
Pep-66.5%.
Carlo-56.9%.
Klopp-52.8%.

Successful Passes per game:
Pep-711.
Carlo-512.
Klopp-479.

Pass Success Rate:
Pep-88.1%
Carlo-84%.
Klopp-77.3%.

% of Successful Passes deemed Short Passes:
Pep-81.8%.
Carlo-75.3%.
Klopp-69.6%.

Successful Dribbles Per Game:
Pep-15.3.
Klopp-11.8.
Carlo-9.6.

Shots conceded per game:
Pep-7.8.
Klopp-9.7.
Carlo-11.6.

Clearances per game:
Pep-14.5.
Klopp-20.2.
Carlo-21.4.

Saves per game:
Pep & Klopp-2.2.
Carlo-2.6.

So as if it needed reiterating, Pep would bring a very different style than Carlo and Klopp, which is probably what is in the back of Txiki's mind. Pep's sides play the possession game, they retain possession, don't whack it up field and require extremely technically gifted players to make it work. They also play out from the back, are more solid defensively, and are more efficient with their shots, particularly around the penalty area.

Considering the resources at their disposal in that time period, Klopp is actually faring well against Carlo, and the stats give the feel that Carlo's sides lack the all-round tightness and maybe polish that a Pep side does. With the similarity in Klopp's and Carlo's stats, I think Klopp comes out rather well, obviously if we want to play a possession game then that area would have to improve, but maybe with the resources behind him that Carlo is afforded then he can work on that with better players.

You can see why Txiki favours Pep though, especially with the effectiveness of his sides in and around the box, and with us having Aguero up there who is as potent as anybody.

going to all that trouble and not one fucker has replied.

Stinker!

How do these stats compare with Pellers this season and last season?

 

[IWasHere]

I have seen many WUM's and trolls on this forum but it seems the city official Twitter page is one of the biggest on the net.

Asking fans to vote Pellers as manager of the year. The piss taking bastards!

Imagine if he wins and the board decide to keep him

 

[nmc]

I have seen many WUM's and trolls on this forum but it seems the city official Twitter page is one of the biggest on the net.

Asking fans to vote Pellers as manager of the year. The piss taking bastards!

Imagine if he wins and the board decide to keep him

This is football the result of the poll will have no baring on the result.

 

[mosssideblue]

Did some "meaningless (Damocles, 2015)" statting for our top 3 candidates and came up with this:

Win %
Pep 73.8% (347 games)
Carlo 58.2% (962 games)
Klopp 49.2% (579 games)

Trophies
Pep 18
Carlo 17
Klopp 6.

Average Gross Spend per season (since 09/10):
Carlo £102.4m.
Pep £71.8m.
Klopp £28.4m.

Average Net Spend per season (since 09/10):
Carlo -£59.7m.
Pep -£33.4m.
Klopp -£11.8m.

All since 09/10:

Goals per Game:
Pep 2.63.
Carlo 1.89.
Klopp 1.84.

Conceded per Game:
Pep 0.74.
Carlo 0.9.
Klopp 1.2.

Longest winning streak:
Carlo-22 games.
Pep-13 games.
Klopp-10 games.

Longest losing streak:
Pep-2 games.
Carlo-3 games.
Klopp-3 games.

Bounce Back Rate (win following a loss):
Pep-71%.
Carlo-66%.
Klopp-60%.

Shots Per Game:
Carlo-17.8.
Pep-16.8.
Klopp-16.5.

On Target %:
Pep-43.2%.
Klopp-38.9%.
Carlo-37.3%.

Shots within penalty box:
Pep-59.1%.
Klopp-56.4%.
Carlo-54.7%.

Average Possession:
Pep-66.5%.
Carlo-56.9%.
Klopp-52.8%.

Successful Passes per game:
Pep-711.
Carlo-512.
Klopp-479.

Pass Success Rate:
Pep-88.1%
Carlo-84%.
Klopp-77.3%.

% of Successful Passes deemed Short Passes:
Pep-81.8%.
Carlo-75.3%.
Klopp-69.6%.

Successful Dribbles Per Game:
Pep-15.3.
Klopp-11.8.
Carlo-9.6.

Shots conceded per game:
Pep-7.8.
Klopp-9.7.
Carlo-11.6.

Clearances per game:
Pep-14.5.
Klopp-20.2.
Carlo-21.4.

Saves per game:
Pep & Klopp-2.2.
Carlo-2.6.

So as if it needed reiterating, Pep would bring a very different style than Carlo and Klopp, which is probably what is in the back of Txiki's mind. Pep's sides play the possession game, they retain possession, don't whack it up field and require extremely technically gifted players to make it work. They also play out from the back, are more solid defensively, and are more efficient with their shots, particularly around the penalty area.

Considering the resources at their disposal in that time period, Klopp is actually faring well against Carlo, and the stats give the feel that Carlo's sides lack the all-round tightness and maybe polish that a Pep side does. With the similarity in Klopp's and Carlo's stats, I think Klopp comes out rather well, obviously if we want to play a possession game then that area would have to improve, but maybe with the resources behind him that Carlo is afforded then he can work on that with better players.

You can see why Txiki favours Pep though, especially with the effectiveness of his sides in and around the box, and with us having Aguero up there who is as potent as anybody.

going to all that trouble and not one fucker has replied.

Stinker!

I'll reply. Your right, it's meaningless

 

[Damocles]

Did some "meaningless (Damocles, 2015)" statting for our top 3 candidates and came up with this:

Win %
Pep 73.8% (347 games)
Carlo 58.2% (962 games)
Klopp 49.2% (579 games)

Trophies
Pep 18
Carlo 17
Klopp 6.

Average Gross Spend per season (since 09/10):
Carlo £102.4m.
Pep £71.8m.
Klopp £28.4m.

Average Net Spend per season (since 09/10):
Carlo -£59.7m.
Pep -£33.4m.
Klopp -£11.8m.

All since 09/10:

Goals per Game:
Pep 2.63.
Carlo 1.89.
Klopp 1.84.

Conceded per Game:
Pep 0.74.
Carlo 0.9.
Klopp 1.2.

Longest winning streak:
Carlo-22 games.
Pep-13 games.
Klopp-10 games.

Longest losing streak:
Pep-2 games.
Carlo-3 games.
Klopp-3 games.

Bounce Back Rate (win following a loss):
Pep-71%.
Carlo-66%.
Klopp-60%.

Shots Per Game:
Carlo-17.8.
Pep-16.8.
Klopp-16.5.

On Target %:
Pep-43.2%.
Klopp-38.9%.
Carlo-37.3%.

Shots within penalty box:
Pep-59.1%.
Klopp-56.4%.
Carlo-54.7%.

Average Possession:
Pep-66.5%.
Carlo-56.9%.
Klopp-52.8%.

Successful Passes per game:
Pep-711.
Carlo-512.
Klopp-479.

Pass Success Rate:
Pep-88.1%
Carlo-84%.
Klopp-77.3%.

% of Successful Passes deemed Short Passes:
Pep-81.8%.
Carlo-75.3%.
Klopp-69.6%.

Successful Dribbles Per Game:
Pep-15.3.
Klopp-11.8.
Carlo-9.6.

Shots conceded per game:
Pep-7.8.
Klopp-9.7.
Carlo-11.6.

Clearances per game:
Pep-14.5.
Klopp-20.2.
Carlo-21.4.

Saves per game:
Pep & Klopp-2.2.
Carlo-2.6.

So as if it needed reiterating, Pep would bring a very different style than Carlo and Klopp, which is probably what is in the back of Txiki's mind. Pep's sides play the possession game, they retain possession, don't whack it up field and require extremely technically gifted players to make it work. They also play out from the back, are more solid defensively, and are more efficient with their shots, particularly around the penalty area.

Considering the resources at their disposal in that time period, Klopp is actually faring well against Carlo, and the stats give the feel that Carlo's sides lack the all-round tightness and maybe polish that a Pep side does. With the similarity in Klopp's and Carlo's stats, I think Klopp comes out rather well, obviously if we want to play a possession game then that area would have to improve, but maybe with the resources behind him that Carlo is afforded then he can work on that with better players.

You can see why Txiki favours Pep though, especially with the effectiveness of his sides in and around the box, and with us having Aguero up there who is as potent as anybody.

going to all that trouble and not one fucker has replied.

Stinker!

It's because as he pointed out, those "stats" are absolutely meaningless and it tells you absolutely no comparative information at all. May as well have posted their height and weight and then made some bizarre reasoning why this makes one of them better than another.