Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

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hilts said:
Damocles said:
FantasyIreland said:
What makes you qustion Paddys tactical credentials Damo?

Mainly because I'm being unfair to him.

Paddy seems to quite player oriented in terms of how he manages the EDS - he'll move players around in different positions to help their development rather than win the game and this seems to be the root of all of his decisions, "what is best for the development".

At times though this has led to decisions that seem to go against what is best for the game in general. A good example was a group game away against Roma where we struggled in the first half and battered them in the last 30 minutes. We started well with one of our midfielders dropping off and playing that quarterback type role but when they switched to 3 at the back and moved another man into midfield, they marked him out of the game and were twatting us down the wings with Maffeo struggling. This came about because Ambrose who was playing in front of him and guarding the runs from the opposing fullback was actually switched centrally whilst Celina was moved over to the right. At the time I thought this was madness because it actually made us weaker and gave their winger loads of time and space as they were doubling up and Celina wasn't tracking as well as Ambrose was.

We scraped through the half to be honest and were lucky to remain 0-0 for the hour. After the hour mark, Vieira switched it around again where he brought on Dilrosun to go down the left and switched Barker to the troubling right side, Ambrose/Celina up front in a two with Bryan/Bryne in the centre. Then we twatted them and ran out 4-0.

Took me a little while to work out why he did that but it's always stuck with me since. He must have seen that we were getting battered down that wing as their guy was running the game really obviously. I've come to the conclusion that he did that because he noticed the winger/full back getting a bit of success and decided to give Celina a job to do defensively where to be honest he isn't the greatest. Ambrose doesn't really need to keep an eye on a fullback as part of his development and already does that well when he's part of our attacking 3. He threw Maffeo under the bus a bit or you could say that he showed his confidence in him in his ability to put a weaker defender in front of him.

Whilst this is wonderful for player development and there's the argument that we were already through, he does little things like that semi-regularly at the expense of our solidness. Sometimes it's hard to decipher if it's a lesson he's trying to show a player or he just made a mistake and depending on my mood Vieira is either tactically inept or a tremendous teacher or somewhere in between.

I am surprised you feel you have the necessary experience and knowledge to comment to be honest, fair play to you

Damocles obviously has no sense of irony. He spends the last couple of hours berating people for criticizing Pellegrini on the grounds we haven't the necessary credentials. Then within the hour he feels he can dismiss a World Cup winning captain and double winner to boot. Weird in the extreme. But I have felt for some time he has been becoming unhinged.
 
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robbieh said:
Damocles obviously has no sense of irony. He spends the last couple of hours berating people for criticizing Pellegrini on the grounds we haven't the necessary credentials. Then within the hour he feels he can dismiss a World Cup winning captain and double winner to boot. Weird in the extreme. But I have felt for some time he has been becoming unhinged.

You think this because you have neither read or understood what I said so are making bad judgements based on your misunderstanding. Which actually IS an example of irony considering what it is that I actually wrote.
 
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Damocles said:
robbieh said:
Damocles obviously has no sense of irony. He spends the last couple of hours berating people for criticizing Pellegrini on the grounds we haven't the necessary credentials. Then within the hour he feels he can dismiss a World Cup winning captain and double winner to boot. Weird in the extreme. But I have felt for some time he has been becoming unhinged.

You think this because you have neither read or understood what I said so are making bad judgements based on your misunderstanding. Which actually IS an example of irony considering what it is that I actually wrote.

WTF?
 
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Damocles said:
robbieh said:
Damocles obviously has no sense of irony. He spends the last couple of hours berating people for criticizing Pellegrini on the grounds we haven't the necessary credentials. Then within the hour he feels he can dismiss a World Cup winning captain and double winner to boot. Weird in the extreme. But I have felt for some time he has been becoming unhinged.

You think this because you have neither read or understood what I said so are making bad judgements based on your misunderstanding. Which actually IS an example of irony considering what it is that I actually wrote.

But by your own argument why ponder if paddy was naive surely as he has better qualifications you should accept you cannot work out his genius and therefore not comment

Or maybe it should be the coc to end every post


***** maybe i just don't understand ******
 
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shevtheblue said:
For me it has to be Klopp. Yes Dortmund have struggled this season, but what he's done with that club in his time there while constantly losing his best players every season is remarkable. Not only that, he's done it playing exciting attacking football while relying on youngsters and even reinventing some players (Lewandowski was a midfielder, I believe). His English is really good and for me he's the right blend between calm and fucking bonkers just like us blues (at times). What we need is someone who has the balls to give someone a go, and what he needs is a team that he can build without the fear of losing players to a 'bigger' club the following season. Sounds obvious to me.

no, Lewandowski was already a prolific striker in his Poznan days.
 
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stony said:
The only criticism of Jim Cassell was that he was more interested in the team winning than developing the players. If Paddy is doing the opposite and developing the player instead of worrying about winning, then I'd say it's a big improvement and far better for the club in the long term.
I'd agree, and surely the whole point of the EDS, the middle letter. If ultimately that development makes more rounded players, then its surely good for the club.

I don't follow the youth games as much as Dam does, but its one of the reasons I don't want Vieira being moved to first team duties full time just yet, let him keep on developing both our youngsters, and himself, the time to move him up for me, is when the players are ready to move up, which might not be too long, meanwhile lets be looking for his long term successor at that level, so that the change can be smooth.

Holistic I think they call it :)
 
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JoeMercer'sWay said:
shevtheblue said:
For me it has to be Klopp. Yes Dortmund have struggled this season, but what he's done with that club in his time there while constantly losing his best players every season is remarkable. Not only that, he's done it playing exciting attacking football while relying on youngsters and even reinventing some players (Lewandowski was a midfielder, I believe). His English is really good and for me he's the right blend between calm and fucking bonkers just like us blues (at times). What we need is someone who has the balls to give someone a go, and what he needs is a team that he can build without the fear of losing players to a 'bigger' club the following season. Sounds obvious to me.

no, Lewandowski was already a prolific striker in his Poznan days.
Fair enough, tip my hat to your greater knowledge there. Can't remember where I saw that, I think it was Eurosport. Regardless, I like Klopp.
 
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Damocles said:
robbieh said:
Damocles obviously has no sense of irony. He spends the last couple of hours berating people for criticizing Pellegrini on the grounds we haven't the necessary credentials. Then within the hour he feels he can dismiss a World Cup winning captain and double winner to boot. Weird in the extreme. But I have felt for some time he has been becoming unhinged.

You think this because you have neither read or understood what I said so are making bad judgements based on your misunderstanding. Which actually IS an example of irony considering what it is that I actually wrote.

Fish in a barrel.
 
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hilts said:
Damocles said:
robbieh said:
Damocles obviously has no sense of irony. He spends the last couple of hours berating people for criticizing Pellegrini on the grounds we haven't the necessary credentials. Then within the hour he feels he can dismiss a World Cup winning captain and double winner to boot. Weird in the extreme. But I have felt for some time he has been becoming unhinged.

You think this because you have neither read or understood what I said so are making bad judgements based on your misunderstanding. Which actually IS an example of irony considering what it is that I actually wrote.

But by your own argument why ponder if paddy was naive surely as he has better qualifications you should accept you cannot work out his genius and therefore not comment

Or maybe it should be the coc to end every post


***** maybe i just don't understand ******

Nobody is suggesting you can't criticize a manager. I am suggesting that you can't criticize a manager about a decision which you haven't attempted to understand. If you cannot find the reason for the decision, this is your failing and not the managers.

Yes, you didn't understand. That is the absolute clearest I can put this.
 
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Damocles said:
hilts said:
Damocles said:
You think this because you have neither read or understood what I said so are making bad judgements based on your misunderstanding. Which actually IS an example of irony considering what it is that I actually wrote.

But by your own argument why ponder if paddy was naive surely as he has better qualifications you should accept you cannot work out his genius and therefore not comment

Or maybe it should be the coc to end every post


***** maybe i just don't understand ******

Nobody is suggesting you can't criticize a manager. I am suggesting that you can't criticize a manager about a decision which you haven't attempted to understand. If you cannot find the reason for the decision, this is your failing and not the managers.

Yes, you didn't understand. That is the absolute clearest I can put this.

I did it is just nonsense pure and simple

Are you saying people don't try and understand why a manager makes a decision? wrong

If after this process it still baffles you it must mean that we are stupid? wrong

By this argument why did you even mention Paddy and his tactics by your own stupid logic you have failed

If certain pundits and the majority of city fans cannot understand MP not packing midfield against teams like barcelona then is that our failings?

So in your world we play bad, we get beat, it happens over and over again, managers, pundits,coaches and fans all think it is a tactical problem then all these people have failed to understand

give it a rest fella you posted shite and you know it
 

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