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Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}
Sleeping_Easy
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Re: Ancelotti to City??
If MP's agent is trying to swing things in Naples is that because he knows he's going or is he simply trying to cover all bases?
tolmie's hairdoo said:BobKowalski said:tolmie's hairdoo said:The Italian press were stirring this up last week.
City briefed this was absolute horseshit.
They believe his agent is trying it on to drum up interest, because he knows could be out of a job.
Simeone, also a load of crap. A manager City have not gone anywhere near.
You mean a bit like Peller's agent has been doing with his 'Pellers Meets the Press' days and how great Naples is?
I look forward to Ancelotti waxing lyrical about Manchester supposedly having a decent restaurant.
If MP's agent is trying to swing things in Naples is that because he knows he's going or is he simply trying to cover all bases?
OB1
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Re: Ancelotti to City??
If LoveCity tells you that Di Marzio is a reliable source, you can be sure that he knows what he is talking about. From what I have seen of Di Marzio, he does seem to be one of the more informed journalists. That does not mean his information is always correct. In this case, Ancelotti's people may be making waves that have landed on Di Marzio's beach.
Blue Mooner said:MihaiCity said:Blue Mooner said:Perhaps because this journo recognises when there is money to be made?
As for his credentials, I practically live on bluemoon during the transfer window and never heard of this guy before now. I guess its easy for anyone to quote creds to appear knowledgeable and justify your argument when theres no actual way of anyone on here having the time or inclination to check out your 'facts'
Please post links to these breaking transfer stories and this might have more credence and i will eat some semblance of humble pie.
I struggle with blues like you wishing to perpetuate this nonsense.
you have no idea what you're talking about...di marzio is the best in europe when it's come to transfers..you will not find out another out there who is better than him and if he said that we are after Carlo then it's looks like this will be MP last season here
Err ok, quick google of Di Marzio and I find this from June 2014 from Mr reliable journalist Di Marzio https://m.facebook.com/LFCTransSpec/posts/800479279984083/ If you don't have fb apparently according to DI Marzio Shaqiri in June 2014 was on his way to Liverpool to meet Liverpool fc representatives to sign a contract - so what happened of that 'nailed on' transfer then ?
Rather than making statements with nothing at all to back them up, all I have asked for is proof of this Di Marzio's reliability on the transfers quoted above, and I may be prepared to eat some humble pie on the matter.
Throw enough sh*t at a wall and some of it will stick, but we all know most of these journalist 'stories' are exactly that, a load of sh*te.
If LoveCity tells you that Di Marzio is a reliable source, you can be sure that he knows what he is talking about. From what I have seen of Di Marzio, he does seem to be one of the more informed journalists. That does not mean his information is always correct. In this case, Ancelotti's people may be making waves that have landed on Di Marzio's beach.
OB1
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Re: Ancelotti to City??
I've said this before but I used to watch Milan a fair bit when CA was their manager and I thought he underachieved in the league. I am very wary of the idea that he would be a major upgrade on Pellegrini and I do not see him as in any way guaranteed to win us the league. Pellegrini has already done a domestic double and I could envisage him winning the league again next year if he gets the right recruits in the summer.
Ancelotti managing City would not be the end of the world by any means but he would not be in my top three choices to replace Pellegrini.
LoveCity said:He'd be the first manager since the takeover from the A list of management. Mancini and Pellegrini both good coaches but not renowned like Carlo, who has won the Champions League three times (more than Ferguson). And yet there is no guarantee he'd do any better as Mancini and Pellegrini because of a stronger Chelsea, probably United and possibly Arsenal all challenging for the title, but I suspect he'd make us at least as good as PSG in Europe, a team that can give anyone a tough game. Just remember Ancelotti's PSG only went out to Barcelona on the stupid away goals rule the season before last (and drew at Camp Nou). I guess the challenge for him would be to win the league at least once in his first (only?) two years as well as getting us to perform in Europe. I don't really understand why he only has 3 league titles in his career and that's a bit concerning because many of us pay for a season ticket and as much as we'd like to do well in Europe, our usual visit to the ground is for the league. At least 1 of those 3 league titles was in England with Chelsea (and 100+ goals), winning a double that year (FA Cup), and the next season he finished 2nd with Chelsea and got sacked. Hmm...
I've said this before but I used to watch Milan a fair bit when CA was their manager and I thought he underachieved in the league. I am very wary of the idea that he would be a major upgrade on Pellegrini and I do not see him as in any way guaranteed to win us the league. Pellegrini has already done a domestic double and I could envisage him winning the league again next year if he gets the right recruits in the summer.
Ancelotti managing City would not be the end of the world by any means but he would not be in my top three choices to replace Pellegrini.
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Re: Ancelotti to City??
Personally, I would rather Manuel given the chance to do something in the summer......providing we finish in the top 3 of course. Still, maybe the owners look at the Mancini effect and think a change will have the same result
Personally, I would rather Manuel given the chance to do something in the summer......providing we finish in the top 3 of course. Still, maybe the owners look at the Mancini effect and think a change will have the same result
pavelsrnicek
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Re: Ancelotti to City??
I would not be surprised if we looked at another manager like Ancelotti on a 3 year deal which may just happen to coincide with the possible 2 year extension for Guardiola...
OB1 said:LoveCity said:He'd be the first manager since the takeover from the A list of management. Mancini and Pellegrini both good coaches but not renowned like Carlo, who has won the Champions League three times (more than Ferguson). And yet there is no guarantee he'd do any better as Mancini and Pellegrini because of a stronger Chelsea, probably United and possibly Arsenal all challenging for the title, but I suspect he'd make us at least as good as PSG in Europe, a team that can give anyone a tough game. Just remember Ancelotti's PSG only went out to Barcelona on the stupid away goals rule the season before last (and drew at Camp Nou). I guess the challenge for him would be to win the league at least once in his first (only?) two years as well as getting us to perform in Europe. I don't really understand why he only has 3 league titles in his career and that's a bit concerning because many of us pay for a season ticket and as much as we'd like to do well in Europe, our usual visit to the ground is for the league. At least 1 of those 3 league titles was in England with Chelsea (and 100+ goals), winning a double that year (FA Cup), and the next season he finished 2nd with Chelsea and got sacked. Hmm...
I've said this before but I used to watch Milan a fair bit when CA was their manager and I thought he underachieved in the league. I am very wary of the idea that he would be a major upgrade on Pellegrini and I do not see him as in any way guaranteed to win us the league. Pellegrini has already done a domestic double and I could envisage him winning the league again next year if he gets the right recruits in the summer.
Ancelotti managing City would not be the end of the world by any means but he would not be in my top three choices to replace Pellegrini.
I would not be surprised if we looked at another manager like Ancelotti on a 3 year deal which may just happen to coincide with the possible 2 year extension for Guardiola...
Re: Ancelotti to City??
I tend to agree with the assessment of Ancelotti. And at the moment I'm not advocating that we sack Pellegrini, although a poor last nine games of the season could have an effect on that view.
However, I do have a concern about Manuel staying for next season and it's one that I've not seen articulated much on here. To be fair to Bob Kowalski, he's spoken of it, but I haven't seen much other comment, though I could have missed some as I view the board more sporadically at the moment than I used to.
Lots of people airly say that Pellegrini should see out his three-year contract, which expires in the summer of 2016. But surely we have to address that situation in some way next summer. It's very easy for a manager to become a lame duck if his forthcoming departure is anticipated, and if, come next season, Pellers is only contracted to the club for a few more months, then the narrative about his potential departure would come to dominate headlines. He'd be badgered about it at every press conference, and I think that sooner or later it would seriously affect our season.
The following text is from a Guardian article about Alex Ferguson when he left Old Trafford: "A lingering feeling that his decision to make the announcement well in advance, well intentioned at the time to allow for succession planning, left his squad lacking in hunger and contributed to a rare trophyless season was behind his resolution to make any decision to retire a sudden one." (The link is here - <a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/may/08/alex-ferguson-retirement-rumours" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... nt-rumours</a>, and the above text is based on something Ferguson himself said. Unfortunately, I can't dig out the direct quotes).
Now, if someone with Ferguson's force of personality can't prevent that, do we think that Pellegrini will? I don't see it. In fact, I think it's more likely that if Pellers does sign an extended contract, people may speculate that it's a smokescreen to disguise the fact that next season would be his last with us, so we'd suffer the adverse impact anyway. Are my fears unfounded?
OB1 said:LoveCity said:He'd be the first manager since the takeover from the A list of management. Mancini and Pellegrini both good coaches but not renowned like Carlo, who has won the Champions League three times (more than Ferguson). And yet there is no guarantee he'd do any better as Mancini and Pellegrini because of a stronger Chelsea, probably United and possibly Arsenal all challenging for the title, but I suspect he'd make us at least as good as PSG in Europe, a team that can give anyone a tough game. Just remember Ancelotti's PSG only went out to Barcelona on the stupid away goals rule the season before last (and drew at Camp Nou). I guess the challenge for him would be to win the league at least once in his first (only?) two years as well as getting us to perform in Europe. I don't really understand why he only has 3 league titles in his career and that's a bit concerning because many of us pay for a season ticket and as much as we'd like to do well in Europe, our usual visit to the ground is for the league. At least 1 of those 3 league titles was in England with Chelsea (and 100+ goals), winning a double that year (FA Cup), and the next season he finished 2nd with Chelsea and got sacked. Hmm...
I've said this before but I used to watch Milan a fair bit when CA was their manager and I thought he underachieved in the league. I am very wary of the idea that he would be a major upgrade on Pellegrini and I do not see him as in any way guaranteed to win us the league. Pellegrini has already done a domestic double and I could envisage him winning the league again next year if he gets the right recruits in the summer.
Ancelotti managing City would not be the end of the world by any means but he would not be in my top three choices to replace Pellegrini.
I tend to agree with the assessment of Ancelotti. And at the moment I'm not advocating that we sack Pellegrini, although a poor last nine games of the season could have an effect on that view.
However, I do have a concern about Manuel staying for next season and it's one that I've not seen articulated much on here. To be fair to Bob Kowalski, he's spoken of it, but I haven't seen much other comment, though I could have missed some as I view the board more sporadically at the moment than I used to.
Lots of people airly say that Pellegrini should see out his three-year contract, which expires in the summer of 2016. But surely we have to address that situation in some way next summer. It's very easy for a manager to become a lame duck if his forthcoming departure is anticipated, and if, come next season, Pellers is only contracted to the club for a few more months, then the narrative about his potential departure would come to dominate headlines. He'd be badgered about it at every press conference, and I think that sooner or later it would seriously affect our season.
The following text is from a Guardian article about Alex Ferguson when he left Old Trafford: "A lingering feeling that his decision to make the announcement well in advance, well intentioned at the time to allow for succession planning, left his squad lacking in hunger and contributed to a rare trophyless season was behind his resolution to make any decision to retire a sudden one." (The link is here - <a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/may/08/alex-ferguson-retirement-rumours" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... nt-rumours</a>, and the above text is based on something Ferguson himself said. Unfortunately, I can't dig out the direct quotes).
Now, if someone with Ferguson's force of personality can't prevent that, do we think that Pellegrini will? I don't see it. In fact, I think it's more likely that if Pellers does sign an extended contract, people may speculate that it's a smokescreen to disguise the fact that next season would be his last with us, so we'd suffer the adverse impact anyway. Are my fears unfounded?
Re: Ancelotti to City??
Based on what he did after leaving Barca, I'd speculate that upon leaving Bayern, Pep may want another sabbatical before he signs a contract (presumably 3 or 4 years) at another club. If that were right and if he doesn't break his contract with Bayern this summer, then it would be a minimum of two years before he'd become available.
If Pellegrini did depart this summer, then appointing a manager who's been around the block, such as Ancelotti, would make me wonder if we did still hope to land Pep at some future stage. Appointing a younger manager on a long contract (a Klopp or a De Boer, say) would make me think that we'd probably reconciled ourselves to Pep never joining us.
pavelsrnicek said:OB1 said:LoveCity said:He'd be the first manager since the takeover from the A list of management. Mancini and Pellegrini both good coaches but not renowned like Carlo, who has won the Champions League three times (more than Ferguson). And yet there is no guarantee he'd do any better as Mancini and Pellegrini because of a stronger Chelsea, probably United and possibly Arsenal all challenging for the title, but I suspect he'd make us at least as good as PSG in Europe, a team that can give anyone a tough game. Just remember Ancelotti's PSG only went out to Barcelona on the stupid away goals rule the season before last (and drew at Camp Nou). I guess the challenge for him would be to win the league at least once in his first (only?) two years as well as getting us to perform in Europe. I don't really understand why he only has 3 league titles in his career and that's a bit concerning because many of us pay for a season ticket and as much as we'd like to do well in Europe, our usual visit to the ground is for the league. At least 1 of those 3 league titles was in England with Chelsea (and 100+ goals), winning a double that year (FA Cup), and the next season he finished 2nd with Chelsea and got sacked. Hmm...
I've said this before but I used to watch Milan a fair bit when CA was their manager and I thought he underachieved in the league. I am very wary of the idea that he would be a major upgrade on Pellegrini and I do not see him as in any way guaranteed to win us the league. Pellegrini has already done a domestic double and I could envisage him winning the league again next year if he gets the right recruits in the summer.
Ancelotti managing City would not be the end of the world by any means but he would not be in my top three choices to replace Pellegrini.
I would not be surprised if we looked at another manager like Ancelotti on a 3 year deal which may just happen to coincide with the possible 2 year extension for Guardiola...
Based on what he did after leaving Barca, I'd speculate that upon leaving Bayern, Pep may want another sabbatical before he signs a contract (presumably 3 or 4 years) at another club. If that were right and if he doesn't break his contract with Bayern this summer, then it would be a minimum of two years before he'd become available.
If Pellegrini did depart this summer, then appointing a manager who's been around the block, such as Ancelotti, would make me wonder if we did still hope to land Pep at some future stage. Appointing a younger manager on a long contract (a Klopp or a De Boer, say) would make me think that we'd probably reconciled ourselves to Pep never joining us.