Discussion: Potential Pellegrini Replacements {merged}

[BillyShears]

Re: Ancelotti to City??

Our club/board is not infallible as some like to pretend.

Have I once said any of those things MA ???
I've expressed concern at the managers decisions and at the transfers not living up to their billing. I see nothing wrong with doing that on an open Forum. You seem to have snapped or at the very least become frustrated hence your post - but please don't group me with the phrases and quotes you've responded with.
I'm sorry I've not gone away and carried on posting; instead choosing to question whether the "best case scenarios" will work out.

As for crying and giving up support- I've not done so for 40 years so why should I now? That kind of accept eveything and don't be so ungrateful attitude doesn't samck of being all for discussion to me?

We have the best owners in the world. We can discuss the merits of a manager/player until we're blue in the face. But we're reaching a point on this forum now where the criticisms are drifting towards Khaldoon. Apparently the man should "fall on his sword". Based on comments like that, yes I'm snapping a little. Even if they aren't coming from you. I apologise if you feel I was being harsh on you.

I do think though that this place or at least parts of it has really lost sight of the bigger picture when it comes to MCFC. The project that Mansour and Khaldoon began is still in it's infancy. The academy has barely opened it's doors, we've barely been playing CL football for three seasons, hell the squad we built at the start of Mansour's time at the club still has it's core intact and is only just now coming to the end of it's cycle. We're not going anywhere. Even if you think it's wildly mad to have some esoteric idea of not just playing winning football but playing attacking football, you have to acknowledge that with our owners we'll probably still be regularly winning titles. Again, we're not going anywhere. Any blip will always just be a minor blip. Why are making mountains out of molehills and why are people wetting their panties because the club might want Pep one day in the future? Again, unless you're a moron or your head is buried up your own arse, then you'll know that even if Pep doesn't come there will be other managers out there who will also bring success to City. So why are we as a supporter base characterising our club in such negative terms?

EDIT:

As if to make my point

The club has to shit or get of the pot and not tread water and ignore the short term just because they've Pep tinted glasses on.

I honestly don't believe he is going to come here,we should not wait like some lovesick puppies

As if to make my point...

Yes I believe this board can do no wrong. I'm not pretending, I believe it. Now since the board currently has four trophies in five years, has gotten us to a point where we are almost sustainable without Mansour's money, and generally are providing the greatest football our club has seen in generations, I'm pretty comfortable believing that.

If you want to sneer at guys like Khaldoon go right ahead, it just reinforces the opinions I already have about you.

 

[flb]

Re: Ancelotti to City??

Genuine question - so lets say that we buy poorly and next season we fall out of the CL, leading to Silva and Kun demanding transfers.

What next? Will you cry? Give up your support? Demand that Sheikh Mansour sells the club to a better owner? Will you throw a party because you'll have been proven right about Txiki/Pellegrini? Will you support be less afraid when the new DoF and manager are appointed?

I'm all for discussion and I can't abide censorship. But this right here isn't a discussion. It's a collection of 8 maybe 10 posters basically sitting around dreaming up worst case scenarios and then using their dreams to criticise Txiki/Pellegrini/Khaldoon (delete as appropriate). When you mix in the histrionics of "what a wank season it's been fucking disgraceful" and that type of dumb fuck rhetoric it quickly goes from cringeworthy to rag worthy.

Anyway, you crack on with fearing the future under our inept leadership.

Have I once said any of those things MA ???
I've expressed concern at the managers decisions and at the transfers not living up to their billing. I see nothing wrong with doing that on an open Forum. You seem to have snapped or at the very least become frustrated hence your post - but please don't group me with the phrases and quotes you've responded with.
I'm sorry I've not gone away and carried on posting; instead choosing to question whether the "best case scenarios" will work out.

As for crying and giving up support- I've not done so for 40 years so why should I now? That kind of accept eveything and don't be so ungrateful attitude doesn't samck of being all for discussion to me?

We have the best owners in the world. We can discuss the merits of a manager/player until we're blue in the face. But we're reaching a point on this forum now where the criticisms are drifting towards Khaldoon. Apparently the man should "fall on his sword". Based on comments like that, yes I'm snapping a little. Even if they aren't coming from you. I apologise if you feel I was being harsh on you.

I do think though that this place or at least parts of it has really lost sight of the bigger picture when it comes to MCFC. The project that Mansour and Khaldoon began is still in it's infancy. The academy has barely opened it's doors, we've barely been playing CL football for three seasons, hell the squad we built at the start of Mansour's time at the club still has it's core intact and is only just now coming to the end of it's cycle. We're not going anywhere. Even if you think it's wildly mad to have some esoteric idea of not just playing winning football but playing attacking football, you have to acknowledge that with our owners we'll probably still be regularly winning titles. Again, we're not going anywhere. Any blip will always just be a minor blip. Why are making mountains out of molehills and why are people wetting their panties because the club might want Pep one day in the future? Again, unless you're a moron or your head is buried up your own arse, then you'll know that even if Pep doesn't come there will be other managers out there who will also bring success to City. So why are we as a supporter base characterising our club in such negative terms?

Because its City fella pure and simple, its an in built defence mechanism ! We surely have to agree we should have done better this season-with or without the new players we have signed, mistakes have been made by both the manager and in a lot of peoples opinion Txiki, they are not bullet proof from criticism when its justified, just because Txiki did it a Barca doesn't mean it will automatically work here, this whole copy and paste Barca model is no guarantee of success.

For me it will be even harder next season, Chelsea , United are back properly competing for the league again and by all accounts we will have a manager going into the last year of his contract, you can just sense regardless of new players coming in its a case of "We cant lose because a new manager will be here next season anyway" mentality.

You yourself mate said after the Burnley and Liverpool games that his future doesn't look good and could be sacked because of it, Blueinsa and others were shitting blue lights about him for justified reasons,

The season feels over mate, you could tell that with the atmosphere at the WBA game, the poorest atmosphere for seasons.

Lets see what Txiki rustles up anyway.

 

[grim up north]

Re: Ancelotti to City??

2 years likely. People are forgetting possible Pep's gap year between jobs. By all accounts he puts a hell of a lot into his work and may want the time off to recuperate like he did after leaving Barca. And do we even know for sure yet he'll leave Bayern, because Rummenigge is always going on about him possibly extending his contract. Latest quotes: "We will find a solution. I know Pep and his family feel very good in Munich. He has not said anything against being our manager past 2016. I see him as an extremely important key to our success story that we are experiencing."

He has had 1 job-previously it hardly constitutes a set way of working

 

[BillyShears]

Re: Ancelotti to City??

Right now the team hasn't had the best season and people want to discuss that. It's not ingratitude it's what football fans, pundits etc the World over do.

With respect this is a cop out of the highest order. We've discussed to death, that's the problem. 442 vs 433. Txiki's signings. Pellegrini. Our youth system. Viera. For this season it's all been said. Which is why we're now getting this fucking absolute nonsense about how the club's "waiting for Pep" and how this is actually going to ruin us somehow. Reaching for negativity where there is none.

As I say, there comes a point where discussion and criticism morphs into ingratitude and entitlement and for me parts of our supporter base are there. I'm not in the slightest bit arsed who that offends either or how many loyalty points they have.

 

[BillyShears]

Re: Ancelotti to City??

The season feels over mate, you could tell that with the atmosphere at the WBA game, the poorest atmosphere for seasons.

Says more about the people in the stadium than it does about the manager, the team, or the performance.

 

[pudge]

Re: Ancelotti to City??

Our club/board is not infallible as some like to pretend.

We have the best owners in the world. We can discuss the merits of a manager/player until we're blue in the face. But we're reaching a point on this forum now where the criticisms are drifting towards Khaldoon. Apparently the man should "fall on his sword". Based on comments like that, yes I'm snapping a little. Even if they aren't coming from you. I apologise if you feel I was being harsh on you.

I do think though that this place or at least parts of it has really lost sight of the bigger picture when it comes to MCFC. The project that Mansour and Khaldoon began is still in it's infancy. The academy has barely opened it's doors, we've barely been playing CL football for three seasons, hell the squad we built at the start of Mansour's time at the club still has it's core intact and is only just now coming to the end of it's cycle. We're not going anywhere. Even if you think it's wildly mad to have some esoteric idea of not just playing winning football but playing attacking football, you have to acknowledge that with our owners we'll probably still be regularly winning titles. Again, we're not going anywhere. Any blip will always just be a minor blip. Why are making mountains out of molehills and why are people wetting their panties because the club might want Pep one day in the future? Again, unless you're a moron or your head is buried up your own arse, then you'll know that even if Pep doesn't come there will be other managers out there who will also bring success to City. So why are we as a supporter base characterising our club in such negative terms?

EDIT:

As if to make my point

As if to make my point...

Yes I believe this board can do no wrong. I'm not pretending, I believe it. Now since the board currently has four trophies in five years, has gotten us to a point where we are almost sustainable without Mansour's money, and generally are providing the greatest football our club has seen in generations, I'm pretty comfortable believing that.

If you want to sneer at guys like Khaldoon go right ahead, it just reinforces the opinions I already have about you.

If you want to barge into the boardroom and drop to your knees and make like a circus seal, go for it.

I will retain the right to question the motives of simply waiting for a manager to only possibly become available at the risk of another unsuccessful season.

I refer you to my previous questions;

So this summer we let Pellegrini loose with a blank cheque book to bring in the players he wants to then go for Pep in 2016; assuming he agrees to join.

What if he doesn't want half the new players brought in?

Will the players be brought in with Pep in mind? Is that fair to Pellegrini?

What if Pep says no?

It's all well and good and makes you sound Bluer than blue to say " the club has a long term vision; what they want to happen"

Well what about what is actually happening, right now, that they risk losing sight of?

And pray tell, I'm eager to hear this opinion you and various other accounts have about me....

 

[BillyShears]

Re: Ancelotti to City??

I will retain the right to question the motives of simply waiting for a manager to only possibly become available at the risk of another unsuccessful season.

You can retain whatever right you want on the internet. It's just noise. However my point, and my problem, is your entire argument is a big disingenuous pile of shit. Anyone with half a brain can see through it. Therefore I won't for the moment be dignifying that shit with anything more than this post. You crack on though pal. I'm sure if you write to City the board will be delighted to invite you in so you can show them how clever you are.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Re: Ancelotti to City??

Right now the team hasn't had the best season and people want to discuss that. It's not ingratitude it's what football fans, pundits etc the World over do.

With respect this is a cop out of the highest order. We've discussed to death, that's the problem. 442 vs 433. Txiki's signings. Pellegrini. Our youth system. Viera. For this season it's all been said. Which is why we're now getting this fucking absolute nonsense about how the club's "waiting for Pep" and how this is actually going to ruin us somehow. Reaching for negativity where there is none.

As I say, there comes a point where discussion and criticism morphs into ingratitude and entitlement and for me parts of our supporter base are there. I'm not in the slightest bit arsed who that offends either or how many loyalty points they have.

I don't think I've ever mentioned Pep?

 

[LoveCity]

Re: Ancelotti to City??

2 years likely. People are forgetting possible Pep's gap year between jobs. By all accounts he puts a hell of a lot into his work and may want the time off to recuperate like he did after leaving Barca. And do we even know for sure yet he'll leave Bayern, because Rummenigge is always going on about him possibly extending his contract. Latest quotes: "We will find a solution. I know Pep and his family feel very good in Munich. He has not said anything against being our manager past 2016. I see him as an extremely important key to our success story that we are experiencing."

He has had 1 job-previously it hardly constitutes a set way of working

His close friend Miquel Soler said he expects Pep to take another year break after Bayern because he "uses up so much energy and lives everything at 1000 miles an hour", then said Pep will go to England after the break.

 

[pudge]

Re: Ancelotti to City??

I will retain the right to question the motives of simply waiting for a manager to only possibly become available at the risk of another unsuccessful season.

You can retain whatever right you want on the internet. It's just noise. However my point, and my problem, is your entire argument is a big disingenuous pile of shit. Anyone with half a brain can see through it. Therefore I won't for the moment be dignifying that shit with anything more than this post. You crack on though pal. I'm sure if you write to City the board will be delighted to invite you in so you can show them how clever you are.

Why do always hide from confrontation and debate? You just revert to arrogance.

If it's so easy to refute, even though it's only questions I'm asking and that's not really possible, then why not do it?

As well as cropping quotes to fit with your pompous answers. With you it's always black and white, and I'll give you this, you'd give Pellegrini a run for his money as to who is the most stubborn.