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Fifa vice-president Jim Boyce believes Manchester City should terminate the contract of Carlos Tevez after Roberto Mancini claimed the Argentina striker refused to come on as a substitute against Bayern Munich.

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TFC said:
102 pages....has anyone said he is an ungrateful **** yet?

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Indeed they have , and many variations of it. I'll go with he's an ugly, thick as pig shit, lying,cowardly,snidey twat.
 
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Ducado said:
mammutly said:
I haven't read through all of this thread as I don't have a spare day, so sorry if this has bben addresed previously.

In making the statements he did after last night's match, I'm pretty sure Mancini effectively sacked Tevez on the spot.

Now regardless of the moral rights and wrongs of that, from a legal point of view I'm prety sure he has given Tevez grounds to sue the club.

The outcome of any internal process may well have been that Tevez was sacked anyway but by pre -empting that process, hasn't Mancini denied Tevez a fair Hearing and as such unfairly dismissed him?
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You worry too much, he can't sack him only the club can also you need to listen to what he actually said, also how can you "effectively sack someone"?

The outcome will be that you will never see him in a City shirt again and he will be out of the club come January
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Mancini as the manager said in public that Tevez will never play for him again. That's a breach of trust and confidence which forms the basis of the employment contract. He may, on the face of it, have had good reason in whch case I think its called a "repudiatory breach" - Tevez having broken the contract first by refusing to play.

This is the man refusing to work and the boss sacking him argument. Man breaks contract first and boss retaliates in turn. But, Was Mancini responding to the obvious or should he have looked into matters further before issuing his sacking speech? Legally, I think Mancini badlymessed up, because he wasn't the one who spoke directly to Tevez. He acted according to what others told him. He should have said nothing until an internal enquiry was completed.
 
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mammutly said:
Ducado said:
mammutly said:
I haven't read through all of this thread as I don't have a spare day, so sorry if this has bben addresed previously.

In making the statements he did after last night's match, I'm pretty sure Mancini effectively sacked Tevez on the spot.

Now regardless of the moral rights and wrongs of that, from a legal point of view I'm prety sure he has given Tevez grounds to sue the club.

The outcome of any internal process may well have been that Tevez was sacked anyway but by pre -empting that process, hasn't Mancini denied Tevez a fair Hearing and as such unfairly dismissed him?
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You worry too much, he can't sack him only the club can also you need to listen to what he actually said, also how can you "effectively sack someone"?

The outcome will be that you will never see him in a City shirt again and he will be out of the club come January
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Mancini as the manager said in public that Tevez will never play for him again. That's a breach of trust and confidence which forms the basis of the employment contract. He may, on the face of it, have had good reason in whch case I think its called a "repudiatory breach" - Tevez having broken the contract first by refusing to play.

This is the man refusing to work and the boss sacking him argument. Man breaks contract first and boss retaliates in turn. But, Was Mancini responding to the obvious or should he have looked into matters further before issuing his sacking speech? Legally, I think Mancini badlymessed up, because he wasn't the one who spoke directly to Tevez. He acted according to what others told him. He should have said nothing until an internal enquiry was completed.
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A maneger tells a player to get on the pitch and the player refuses, those are the facts, why would you need an enquiry after that? Seems a pretty straight forward case to me.

The only one who has messed up is Tevez.
 
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ayia napa blues said:
With the language barrier is this possible

Rm "tevez warm up your going on"
Tevez "no" meaning no am already warmed up
Rm "what do you mean no you won't go on"
And in the heat of the moment rm flipped as He saw this as a challenge to his authority

Just to add I fully back rm , or is this just teveZ putting a spin on it
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Italian and spanish is so similar that this is just wrong.
 
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mammutly said:
I haven't read through all of this thread as I don't have a spare day, so sorry if this has bben addresed previously.

In making the statements he did after last night's match, I'm pretty sure Mancini effectively sacked Tevez on the spot.

Now regardless of the moral rights and wrongs of that, from a legal point of view I'm prety sure he has given Tevez grounds to sue the club.

The outcome of any internal process may well have been that Tevez was sacked anyway but by pre -empting that process, hasn't Mancini denied Tevez a fair Hearing and as such unfairly dismissed him?
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it may be problematic what Mancini said but then again he is not his employer and he backed himself up with "I don't decide about that and if it is going to be my way, he is out"

So I doubt it could be successfully used on court.. Mancini should be careful what he is talking publicly though
 
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edgecroft said:
Fifa vice-president Jim Boyce believes Manchester City should terminate the contract of Carlos Tevez after Roberto Mancini claimed the Argentina striker refused to come on as a substitute against Bayern Munich.

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Maybe we can cut a deal with EUFA's financial fair play division if it's so important to the whole of football.
 
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Hi All,

I'm a West Ham fan and like the Liverpool fan earlier feel so strongly about this that I wanted to come on and offer my full support to your club.

Obviously as a West Ham fan I really like Tevez (Ducks for cover), but what he has done is absolutely disgusting and he is a disgrace to himself and football. West Ham are a very similar club to City, and I, as many of your fans work hard to earn money to watch my club, and if given the chance I would pay 200 grand to play in a Champions League match against Bayern Munich let alone get paid to play!

I have no doubt that the Man City fans will show what a great club they are after all the bad press that Tevez has brought to the club and show their full support to Mancini at the next home game.

I can't wait to see Mancini's face when every City fan sings his name at the next home game and show pampered millionaire footballers that they can't do what they fucking want........ not at our clubs anyway!

Good Luck for the season
 
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If this was a misunderstanding (which it isn't) why didn't Tevez explain himself to Mancini to say no you've got it wrong I meant that I have already warmed up and am ready to go on.? If it was a misunderstanding he would be straight over to Mancini to explain and get out there on the pitch.

He's a prick and I hope our lawyers fuck him over good style...<br /><br />-- Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:51 pm --<br /><br />If this was a misunderstanding (which it isn't) why didn't Tevez explain himself to Mancini to say no you've got it wrong I meant that I have already warmed up and am ready to go on.? If it was a misunderstanding he would be straight over to Mancini to explain and get out there on the pitch.

He's a prick and I hope our lawyers fuck him over good style...
 
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AS its mancini that picks the team/squad, clearly tevez wont ever play again...i cannt imagine that even HRH would intervene in the matter of picking a team/suggesting who should be in the squad to RM...and even if he did I dont think RM would take it .....it would dent his pride too much..he isnt a man who can be dictated to by anyone on footballing matters
 
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Hadn't noticed but the official City Calendar has Tevez for September! But to rub it in Adebayor is Oct! Why must Mrs Singcat have one of these each year!
 
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I haven't read everything in this thread so sorry if this has been posted previously. Personally I'm not interested in the legal nicieties of who said what and when. It's plain to me that Khaldoon has a choice - dump Tevez and take the losses or Mancini walks.

Any compromise won't work. Khaldoon has a duty to the owner, the club, the fans and football in general. If we fine him any amount of money and he plays again we will be the laughing stock of world football and Mancini will have about as much clout as the tea lady.

This can only end in one way - Tevez out. I hope we can hurt him as he leaves but we may have to accept that he gets what he wants. I hope the lawyers have sorted out what to do. Ideally he will suspended pending a disciplinary hearing where he will be sacked. It would be great if we could retain his registration for the rest of his contract but I think that's unlikely.
 
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Adrian Mutu had his contract terminated by Chelsea. He was then ordered to pay £17m in compensation.

I think Tevez should be fired and ordered to compensate us in the same way.
 
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mike winterwasp said:
I haven't read everything in this thread so sorry if this has been posted previously. Personally I'm not interested in the legal nicieties of who said what and when. It's plain to me that Khaldoon has a choice - dump Tevez and take the losses or Mancini walks.

Any compromise won't work. Khaldoon has a duty to the owner, the club, the fans and football in general. If we fine him any amount of money and he plays again we will be the laughing stock of world football and Mancini will have about as much clout as the tea lady.

This can only end in one way - Tevez out. I hope we can hurt him as he leaves but we may have to accept that he gets what he wants. I hope the lawyers have sorted out what to do. Ideally he will suspended pending a disciplinary hearing where he will be sacked. It would be great if we could retain his registration for the rest of his contract but I think that's unlikely.
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spot on with the first paragraph

but not sure why we would be a lauhging stock if he did play again (He wont though)....modric did something very similar int he game against us...yet he has played since and nobody aywhere seems to have picked up on that similarity (and modirc refused to even start the game!)
 
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singcat said:
Hadn't noticed but the official City Calendar has Tevez for September! But to rub it in Adebayor is Oct! Why must Mrs Singcat have one of these each year!
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:) had already defaced the office calender today when i noticed
 
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I also haven't read all this thread but I dont think we should sack Tevez.

That is exactly what he wants, the best thing to do with him is to discipline him and fine him the maximum we can then do the following.

1. Condemn him to the reserves for the rest of his contract.
2. Put him on the subs bench in the reserves and not play him.
3. Not allow him anywhere near the squad during training.
4. Force him to turn up to all games and sit and watch, allowing the fans to vent their anger at him until we're bored of doing it.

If a good offer comes in for him in any of the transfer windows then get rid asap.
 
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Marpleblue69 said:
I also haven't read all this thread but I dont think we should sack Tevez.

That is exactly what he wants, the best thing to do with him is to discipline him and fine him the maximum we can then do the following.

1. Condemn him to the reserves for the rest of his contract.
2. Put him on the subs bench in the reserves and not play him.
3. Not allow him anywhere near the squad during training.
4. Force him to turn up to all games and sit and watch, allowing the fans to vent their anger at him until we're bored of doing it.

If a good offer comes in for him in any of the transfer windows then get rid asap.
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5. Give the **** a good kicking.
 
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