Does Yaya still have a role?

[schfc6]

I trust this is a joke?

Tongue in cheek in all honesty but it would spark confusion and would help defend against the billion dollar Wimbledon's back post onslaught.

Not sure it would be a good idea though.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Hate Yaya? Seriously? Give your head a wobble! Sometimes I do wonder about the mental state of some City fans.

Emotionally challenged you might say.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

'False 9' Saturday?

That would spark confusion everywhere.

He'd be quite handy at the front post too..

I've thought for years yaya could be a good striker. I hope he doesn't start Saturday, but your suggestion isn't as bad as it seems.

 

[BlueDeadHead]

I don't defend his character at all. I defend what's right. The right to collect what you have earned via contract. Without some fan selectively snickering about your choice. The same right Joe earned by signing a contract and the club paying a majority of his salary while he plays for someone else.

I point out the double standards on such matters. Whether it's Yaya now or Wayne Bridge few years ago.

Many here make silly comments like some player is stealing a wage. As if these players put a gun to Txiki's head when he signed them (and I use Txiki metaphorically to represent management).
Before someone shows up to point out the obvious that Txiki didn't sign Bridge and thus I'm wrong in this instance. :P

The point here being I don't defend players, I defend understable positions. Don't particularly care much for Yaya petulance with refs on the field or his agent's. Never have, nor do I defend them. But I don't pretend they are of much consequence either.

So I don't use it as an excuse to gin up unwarranted hate or dislike. I know what Yaya is. A surly, brooding, chip on his shoulders and big man with an overbearing father like figure of an agent. Yet I loved every minute of his greatness here. I loved how the chip on his shoulder made him believe he and by extension City was better than United even before we truly became better. I loved the seeming immeasurabiIity of his talent at his peak. I liked him slapping Mata upside the head, telling Valencia to get lost and telling Rooney not to talk to him. I hated his constant whinning to the ref when he clearly just committed a foul, his laziness on defense sometimes. I take him for what he is.

I don't defend him, just like I don't defend the club when it does shitty things either. I didn't defend Marwood calling out an ex players cancer striker Mom. I don't defend wrong acts. Period. I just say what they are and what real effects I think if any they have in the greater scheme of things.

Anyway this has now turned into a rant :)

I think you are missing the point of some (possibly a minority) of posters in this thread that are attacking Yaya (myself included). I don't think he is stealing a wage. I agree with you on this point and have said so in the past few pages. I also think he is one of the greatest players to ever put on a City shirt (I don't know many posters who would disagree with that at all).

Where I think you are demonstrably wrong is that you claim Yaya is getting unfair abuse. In two different posts you wrote:

I find the hate for Yaya nauseating and clearly unequally metted out.

and

It doesn't upset me when people label Yaya. It's the uneven treatment that upsets me. I like fairness.

I asked yesterday and I will ask again, who else has attacked the club in the manner that Yaya has over the past 2 years other than Tevez? Who else in all of sport has sunk to the level that he went to after Ibrahim's death. He is a sociopath; a monster. There is no other explanation for what he did. In light of that how is his treatment by fans unequal or uneven? That is my question. Nobody else has ever gone where he has gone. He crossed a line that is so far out there that I didn't even know it existed till he crossed it. How are we supposed to react to someone like Yaya? He is one of a kind (both on and off the field).

 

[Dax777]

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I think you are missing the point of some (possibly a minority) of posters in this thread that are attacking Yaya (myself included). I don't think he is stealing a wage. I agree with you on this point and have said so in the past few pages. I also think he is one of the greatest players to ever put on a City shirt (I don't know many posters who would disagree with that at all).

Where I think you are demonstrably wrong is that you claim Yaya is getting unfair abuse. In two different posts you wrote:

I find the hate for Yaya nauseating and clearly unequally metted out.

and

It doesn't upset me when people label Yaya. It's the uneven treatment that upsets me. I like fairness.

I asked yesterday and I will ask again, who else has attacked the club in the manner that Yaya has over the past 2 years other than Tevez? Who else in all of sport has sunk to the level that he went to after Ibrahim's death. He is a sociopath; a monster. There is no other explanation for what he did. In light of that how is his treatment by fans unequal or uneven? That is my question. Nobody else has ever gone where he has gone. He crossed a line that is so far out there that I didn't even know it existed till he crossed it. How are we supposed to react to someone like Yaya? He is one of a kind (both on and off the field).

Again you keep asking me questions about things I don't do.

Yes i deem it uneven treatment when a poster says Yaya is stealing a living, yet in the next thread suggest they are happy City is footing a majority of Joe's paycheck at Torino. You really don't have to look hard to see these double standard comments.

That you think only a few do it isn't particularly relevant, as it would simply mean those (however few they are) are who I am responding to. That said, while I've not gone around counting, my sense is they are not that few.

Anyway, to your specific issue:

Again, I am nauseated by the hate for a City great by City fans. You claim he has done terrible things.

I find most of the claims about what he has done, more or less is overstated claims to justify the unwarranted reaction by what in my opinion are 'oversensitive fans.'

I say this coz the evidence of this is everywhere. I saw similar treatment of Milner after he left. He didn't do s thing but be professional, finish off his signed contract and left.


As for Yaya, it is often in how fans frame the issue: If Yaya misses a tackle or fluffs a shot or fails to get back, it's coz he is lazy or doesn't give a shit about the club. Someone else does the same, it's because they were tired or lost concentration. The framing alone, shows bias.

Again it important you understand this as an attack on the framing by a subset of our fans as opposed to a defense of Yaya.

And not to ignore your point as you've asked it 2,ice now. I didn't respond to it coz it doesn't really speak to the issue I have, even though you think it does. My understanding of his dead brother's story probably differs greatly from yours. Would ask what your understanding of that story is, but that would send us back into an attack v Defense of Yaya. Something I don't particularly care for.

But let's clear the air, what psychopathic thing did Yaya do relating to his brother's death?

 

[Dax777]

That's because it never happens. Dax is having a nightmare on this. Fortunately he's in the minority of about one.

Was gonna do a 2009 search of Zlatans agents comments as he was leaving Barca to Milan. To my surprise it seems Raiola hasn't stopped gobshitting after all. And it's been 6-7 years.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fo...a/news-story/0631c186decf8e1b9ad842f1bf17722d

http://www.mcfcwatch.com/2016/09/08/zlatans-agent-mino-raiola-pep-doesnt-have-balls/
http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...-mino-raiola-for-zlatan-ibrahimovic-treatment

Same guy just made 25 million completing a WOrld Record deal. Like I said, teams dont give a shit if yoie agent is shit. They care whether you've got talent.

 

[Dirty Harry]

I've thought for years yaya could be a good striker. I hope he doesn't start Saturday, but your suggestion isn't as bad as it seems.

I'd have thought more a "number 10" role with less defensive duties would have been a better option, but alas it's a Guardiola team so no passengers, I still think he'd be a huge threat though throwing him on for the last 20 minutes or so.

 

[Phil1]

Was gonna do a 2009 search of Zlatans agents comments as he was leaving Barca to Milan. To my surprise it seems Raiola hasn't stopped gobshitting after all. And it's been 6-7 years.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fo...a/news-story/0631c186decf8e1b9ad842f1bf17722d

http://www.mcfcwatch.com/2016/09/08/zlatans-agent-mino-raiola-pep-doesnt-have-balls/
http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...-mino-raiola-for-zlatan-ibrahimovic-treatment

Same guy just made 25 million completing a WOrld Record deal. Like I said, teams dont give a shit if yoie agent is shit. They care whether you've got talent.

Raiola has a stable of players, some world class or about to hit their peak with all the top clubs interested. Seyuk has one over the hill player who for two years has looked shot. Let's see where Yaya ends up for all his talent. I don't think any comparisons have merit apart from the fact they are both indeed, gobshites.
I don't know, maybe you're the kind of person who admires that kind of thing. I'm sure their clients who put money above all other things do but I believe it's the likes of these two cockroaches who shame the sport as much as the bent bastards at UEFA and FIFA.

 

[Oyster28catcher]

Every time Yaya's agent opens his mouth, a kitten dies.

My 4200th post

 

[sir baconface]

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Yes i deem it uneven treatment when a poster says Yaya is stealing a living, yet in the next thread suggest they are happy City is footing a majority of Joe's paycheck at Torino. You really don't have to look hard to see these double standard comments.

Joe Hart:
- Got the message he wasn't wanted and moved on, even though it hurt
- Possesses the professionalism to give playing the highest priority
- Showed great dignity throughout
- Has always represented the club positively
- Kept himself in fighting trim and battle-ready.

Yaya ???

You really think there's some sort of equivalence or are you arguing for the sake of it?

 

[Neville Kneville]

You can't tailor a whole team just to suit one player. Although i agree with you, that Pellegrini didn't help.

You don't have to.

Just don't make a twat out of him. You wouldn't expect DeBruyne or Silva to play next to Fernando in a two, v Liverpool, for instance. They are younger.

 

[2sheikhs]

When mancini says that toure decided not to betray City, did he also point out that Milan were offering him 50k a week?
They should be offering far more than that anyway. They'd make 200k a week from lampshades, duvet covers and car air freshners in the ivory Coast, such is the bloke's importance. Unless his agent is talking 100% horse shit.

 

[geoff hammond]

If we are trailing by one goal tomorrow with 15 minutes to go Yaya would still be a player I would like us to bring on.... And they would not like us to bring on.

(But we wont be so not an issue !)

 

[Dax777]

Raiola has a stable of players, some world class or about to hit their peak with all the top clubs interested. Seyuk has one over the hill player who for two years has looked shot. Let's see where Yaya ends up for all his talent. I don't think any comparisons have merit apart from the fact they are both indeed, gobshites.
I don't know, maybe you're the kind of person who admires that kind of thing. I'm sure their clients who put money above all other things do but I believe it's the likes of these two cockroaches who shame the sport as much as the bent bastards at UEFA and FIFA.

Your response misses the point: I neither admire nor like either nor did I suggest I did. I Simply pointed out these acts were quite common amongst agents. A point you and SWP disputed. I also suggested most of the gobshits who did this often had some of the best players in their stable. A point that is supported by Raiola being a gobshit.

It seems you finally come around to my original point: it's talent that matters, not the blaring of overzealous agents. Hence why I concluded none of Seljuk's supposed comments regarding our club resonates with us or any other club. Why? Coz agents act like this all the time.

It's an unfortunate part and parcel of the business. Again, supporting my original point.

 

[Dax777]

Joe Hart:
- Got the message he wasn't wanted and moved on, even though it hurt
- Possesses the professionalism to give playing the highest priority
- Showed great dignity throughout
- Has always represented the club positively
- Kept himself in fighting trim and battle-ready.

Yaya ???

You really think there's some sort of equivalence or are you arguing for the sake of it?

Yes. But then again you are pretending this has only been said about Yaya.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat it: It's not about Yaya. Take our Yaya, and replace with Wayne Bridge. The result is the same. Bridge stayed in shape, never fussed about anything but got shit for not leaving quickly. Joe himself would not have left, if he has to go making 30℅ of his contract. .

So no, Joe did No prioritize football. Just was luck the club was willing to foot his bill. Others weren't so lucky

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

His agent has virtually ended Yaya's career in a blue shirt , why the big man condones his agents constant attacks on our club , is bewildering , Yaya will sit on his large posterior collecting his £200k a week , (nice work , if you can get it) and any future employer will be full of trepidation , because his agent is a proper shithouse.

 

[Phil1]

Your response misses the point: I neither admire nor like either nor did I suggest I did. I Simply pointed out these acts were quite common amongst agents. A point you and SWP disputed. I also suggested most of the gobshits who did this often had some of the best players in their stable. A point that is supported by Raiola being a gobshit.

It seems you finally come around to my original point: it's talent that matters, not the blaring of overzealous agents. Hence why I concluded none of Seljuk's supposed comments regarding our club resonates with us or any other club. Why? Coz agents act like this all the time.

It's an unfortunate part and parcel of the business. Again, supporting my original point.

I haven't come around to your point at all. I couldn't disagree more with you. This converastion is about Yaya and his agent. I'm not arsed about anybody else because it doesn't affect my club. You love to think you're correct all the time don't you Dax.

 

[sir baconface]

Yes. But then again you are pretending this has only been said about Yaya.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat it: It's not about Yaya. Take our Yaya, and replace with Wayne Bridge. The result is the same. Bridge stayed in shape, never fussed about anything but got shit for not leaving quickly. Joe himself would not have left, if he has to go making 30℅ of his contract. .

So no, Joe did No prioritize football. Just was luck the club was willing to foot his bill. Others weren't so lucky

Instead of bullshitting and waffling, try comparing my bullet points, Joe v Yaya.

 

[Dax777]

I haven't come around to your point at all. I couldn't disagree more with you. This converastion is about Yaya and his agent. I'm not arsed about anybody else because it doesn't affect my club. You love to think you're correct all the time don't you Dax.

Below is SWPs comments. Bolded after that is your response to his comments. In Italics is the portion of your comments that has now been disproven without even trying.

You concluding Raiola is a cockroach and a disgrace to the sport is where you have come to my position. I.e. Admiring this behavior happens amongst agents.

And yes, I think I'm always right. But then again so do you and everyone else when they have an opinion on an issue.

In this one though. It's not just a thought. I am in fact right. Despicable agents bugging out. are not as you claim ' that's because itnever happens.'

Mino didn't get his big pay for Pogba by slagging of Juve for years.

I can't think of any other agent/player combo that would even think they open the market place by slagging off their current club for a number of years.

That's because it never happens. Dax is having a nightmare on this. Fortunately he's in the minority of about one.

 

[Dax777]

Instead of bullshitting and waffling, try comparing my bullet points, Joe v Yaya.

Your bullet points?

Joe stayed in shape. Yaya stayed in shape (Yaya is in better shape now than he was last year).

Joe showed great dignity throughout: Again, your opinion. Even if I agree with it. Others can easily frame it differently. That he laughed when Willy got injured wasn't dignified. That he balked at playing the way Pep wanted wasn't dignified.

Understand this, I don't agree with either claim, but these are acceptable framing of the points. Even if I disagree with them.

Represented the club probably. Hanging with rag, Head and shoulders commercial, buying into star symbols E.t.c. Again, I don't agree with any of this dumb attributions and framing of why he wasn't performing when he wasn't. But this doesn't mean it wasn't brought up and framed as a slight on the club. 'Check the threads on Joe.

Got the msg and moved on: Sure, after City were willing to pay his wage.

The point of this whole exercise is that it's about framing not facts. You framed Joe in the best light and conclude he is more deserving of his contract than YAYA. Most will agree with you.

But the reason why you deserve your contract is not because of how you have been framed or perceive, but rather because you've earned it by signing a Contract. Period! That's the point.