Dzeko and Kolarov are both world class

tolmie's hairdoo said:
Didsbury Dave said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
He's not, bud, absolutely nowhere near.

If he was at any other club, other than United, where myth can be romanticised (Jones the new Duncan Edwards) and perpetuated...

He stands out because he is the only player United can regularly rely on.

Giggs wasn't world class, either, nor Scholes.

Top players, but world class is reserved for the very few.

Granted, Messi is yet to do it at international level, but Rooney has done nothing since he first came in the scene at Euro 2004 in Portugal.

Rooney won't be spoken about in 30 years time outside of Old Trafford and SKY pundits.

For the record, Bobby Charlton wasn't world class, not fit enough to wipe Law and Bell's arse after a curry supper.

The only world class player this country has ever produced is Bobby Moore. I wasn't alive to see it, but my eyes tell me everything I need to know watching it back
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We'll have to agree to diagree, Tolm. He's world class by my definition: he'd get in my world squad. Giggs was definitely not world class. Scholes was pretty close. What Rooney offers, as well as the potential to run games, open defences and get superb goals, is the ability to win the ball back through graft. When you throw that whole package together, he's a top drawer player.

In terms of world class players produced by this country: that's a totally different question and an interesting one. In my lifetime, Gazza was world class around the time of the 1990 world cup. Bryan Robson was world class in the 80s. In recent years, Owen was pretty damn close to it when he had pace but probably lost the pace just before he reached that level. Shearer was pretty close to world class too, maybe maybe not.

Beyond that, I can't think of many more in my lifetime.

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Your standards for world class are clearly not as high as mine ;)

Bryan Robson? world class, ha ha. Never did anything in the 80s with United and was too busy being a crock for England to be considered anything more than decent.

The definition of world class is also through longevity, so although Gazza was on his way, it was never realised.

Tevez and Rooney have the same attributes in terms of influencing their teams through sheer weight of will.

But both are way below world class.

There are less than six players at any one time who can be deemed world class IMO.

Rooney is already on the downward progression. He has not realised his street football mentality, what made him a potential world class player in the making.

A myth, and has been for two years.
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It's coming down to definition, TH. As I said, "World Class" the dictionary definition is "amongst the best in the world". So to me, a nice clean definition of a "world class" player is whether they would be in serious contention for a world 11. So a player is not "world class" for his whole career, but at a certain time in his career.

Robson was world class 81-84ish. Gazza 90-92ish, Cole too, a few years ago. And Rooney has been world class for the last 3 or 4 years for me.

Whatever, the one think I think we both agree on is that Kolorov is not world class by any bloody definition ;-)
 
Didsbury Dave said:
It's coming down to definition, TH. As I said, "World Class" the dictionary definition is "amongst the best in the world". So to me, a nice clean definition of a "world class" player is whether they would be in serious contention for a world 11. So a player is not "world class" for his whole career, but at a certain time in his career.

Robson was world class 81-84ish. Gazza 90-92ish, Cole too, a few years ago. And Rooney has been world class for the last 3 or 4 years for me.

Whatever, the one think I think we both agree on is that Kolorov is not world class by any bloody definition ;-)
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In the Man City team I think you have a couple players right now who can compete for being the best player at their spot at the moment:
Kompany, Silva, Aguero, Yaya.

Next you have a bunch of players who have the potential to become one off the best in their position: Hart, Richards, Nasri, maybe even Dzeko.

But kolarov? Naaah, not gonna happen.
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
samharris said:
Parksidecity said:
george best
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Never played in a world cup so never faced the truly best of his time,so for me thats a no.
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So by that reckoning Miroslav Klose is one of the best ever players
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Just saying how it is....Dont forget back then as well most of the players in the old 1st division were from the home nations...not too many world class foreigners..in fact none..

Sorry if you think Im wrong but thats how I see it... Bobby Charlton yes..George Best no.
 
samharris said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
samharris said:
Never played in a world cup so never faced the truly best of his time,so for me thats a no.
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So by that reckoning Miroslav Klose is one of the best ever players
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Just saying how it is....Dont forget back then as well most of the players in the old 1st division were from the home nations...not too many world class foreigners..in fact none..

Sorry if you think Im wrong but thats how I see it... Bobby Charlton yes..George Best no.
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Im not saying you wrong. More than anything World Class is an opinion
 
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