Dzeko and Negredo partnership

[Vienna_70]

Is it me, or are we getting stronger going into Spring than ever before?! I have never seen a squad strengthen so much.

It is not you. It is definitely the case. This is a truly phenomenal run, when you take all competitions into account. But here's a genuine question, that I'd really like to know the answer to. When was the last time that we were able to play the following players, all together in the same team for a match? Komps, Yaya, Silva, Aguero, Nasri, Negredo, Zab. Does it go back to the Bayern home match? Because what blows me away is that one or other of those players has been out for what seems like months. And they're all key players, self-selecting match winners. So it is my serious opinion that, notwithstanding the difficulty of our remaining fixtures, we still have quite a margin to get better than we are.

Micah started against Bayern at home.

 

[EaglesFan]

I agree that it doesn't work (apart from Dzekos assist to Negredo for the goal), but what is the manager supposed to do, start with one striker against Blackburn?

MMMMM! I must have imagined the hat trick of Negredo and the two goals of Dzeco, 5 goals between them against West Ham, Nah! Your right, it;s not working!!

If you put it into perspective, didn't Edin score his goals when Negredo went off? And Yaya's pass and a deflected pass from Silva wouldn't constitute a great strike pairing tbf

I still don't think they're a partnership, two good strikers but not a partnership.

When you have Yaya, Nasri, Silva etc they'll create more than enough chances for whoever's upfront so when you mention the simple fact they scored 5 between them it should be noted that one was the result of play between each of them.

Pudge man, don't get caught up in cliche's...especially ones CREATED by attention-seeking sports writers and commentators (who are now already turning the page and Dzeko and Negredo are now "second coming" on the pitch together i.e. during pre-match of Newcastle game)

Pellers obviously sees these two as very well capable of playing together, and he is the one working with these guys every day....that and what I've seen in last few games with my own eyes - case closed for me, personally.

 

[Shaelumstash]

MMMMM! I must have imagined the hat trick of Negredo and the two goals of Dzeco, 5 goals between them against West Ham, Nah! Your right, it;s not working!!

If you put it into perspective, didn't Edin score his goals when Negredo went off? And Yaya's pass and a deflected pass from Silva wouldn't constitute a great strike pairing tbf

I still don't think they're a partnership, two good strikers but not a partnership.

When you have Yaya, Nasri, Silva etc they'll create more than enough chances for whoever's upfront so when you mention the simple fact they scored 5 between them it should be noted that one was the result of play between each of them.

Pudge man, don't get caught up in cliche's...especially ones CREATED by attention-seeking sports writers and commentators (who are now already turning the page and Dzeko and Negredo are now "second coming" on the pitch together i.e. during pre-match of Newcastle game)

Pellers obviously sees these two as very well capable of playing together, and he is the one working with these guys every day....that and what I've seen in last few games with my own eyes - case closed for me, personally.

Other than the West Ham game, which other games did you think they looked good together as a partnership?

The jury is still very much out on whether they play well as a pairing, but if it's "case closed for you personally" I'd love to know which games you're basing this judgement on?

 

[Barcon]

I agree that it doesn't work (apart from Dzekos assist to Negredo for the goal), but what is the manager supposed to do, start with one striker against Blackburn?

MMMMM! I must have imagined the hat trick of Negredo and the two goals of Dzeco, 5 goals between them against West Ham, Nah! Your right, it;s not working!!

I guess you missed the obvious taking the piss out of the OP when I said, "(apart from Dzekos assist to Negredo for the goal)".

 

[sir baconface]

If you put it into perspective, didn't Edin score his goals when Negredo went off? And Yaya's pass and a deflected pass from Silva wouldn't constitute a great strike pairing tbf

I still don't think they're a partnership, two good strikers but not a partnership.

When you have Yaya, Nasri, Silva etc they'll create more than enough chances for whoever's upfront so when you mention the simple fact they scored 5 between them it should be noted that one was the result of play between each of them.

Pudge man, don't get caught up in cliche's...especially ones CREATED by attention-seeking sports writers and commentators (who are now already turning the page and Dzeko and Negredo are now "second coming" on the pitch together i.e. during pre-match of Newcastle game)

Pellers obviously sees these two as very well capable of playing together, and he is the one working with these guys every day....that and what I've seen in last few games with my own eyes - case closed for me, personally.

Other than the West Ham game, which other games did you think they looked good together as a partnership?

The jury is still very much out on whether they play well as a pairing, but if it's "case closed for you personally" I'd love to know which games you're basing this judgement on?

You still flogging this theme?

"It doesn't work, I don't know what it will take for Pellegrini to realise it."

"He's fucking done it again for tonight, I can't believe it! 442, Garcia in, Dzeko and Negredo up front. I'll cheer them on and hope we stuff them 6-0, but I just think the manager is making it more difficult than it needs to be."

Both comments came before the West Ham game where the pair contributed 5 goals. If you had any shame you would have bowed out of this thread gracefully.

Why don't you accept Pellegrini knows a shed load more about this subject than you?

 

[EaglesFan]

If you put it into perspective, didn't Edin score his goals when Negredo went off? And Yaya's pass and a deflected pass from Silva wouldn't constitute a great strike pairing tbf

I still don't think they're a partnership, two good strikers but not a partnership.

When you have Yaya, Nasri, Silva etc they'll create more than enough chances for whoever's upfront so when you mention the simple fact they scored 5 between them it should be noted that one was the result of play between each of them.

Pudge man, don't get caught up in cliche's...especially ones CREATED by attention-seeking sports writers and commentators (who are now already turning the page and Dzeko and Negredo are now "second coming" on the pitch together i.e. during pre-match of Newcastle game)

Pellers obviously sees these two as very well capable of playing together, and he is the one working with these guys every day....that and what I've seen in last few games with my own eyes - case closed for me, personally.

Other than the West Ham game, which other games did you think they looked good together as a partnership?

The jury is still very much out on whether they play well as a pairing, but if it's "case closed for you personally" I'd love to know which games you're basing this judgement on?

Shaelumstash - basically every game they played together (since Aguero's absence). Not a single game I thought "hell, Dzeko and Negredo are sh*t together". People here seem to blame strikers always for our poor performance (which is a topic for itself) - but in one or two games they were ineffective together I b*tched about MIDFIELD....cause midfield play was horrendous.

Here is a counter question to you - what makes Aguero-Negredo partnership better than Negredo-Dzeko partnership? What do some people here even MEAN by "partnership"?? I think it's one of many concepts that are constantly ABUSED on this forum to back up personal preferences.

Are we saying they are not passing to each other??? Hell - from watching games they ALWAYS look for one another. It's not gonna work every time, it's not a video game - but it sure as hell worked the last few games in several occasions. They now like playing with each other, They are both smart in front of the goal and in passing department, they both (now, when Dzeko stepped up finally) put work in when playing together rather than sulking...
In the end - have we lost a game when they played together??

This is why I really understand where some of this myth (again, in my opinion) is coming from...i just dont see it, statistically or while watching games.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Pudge man, don't get caught up in cliche's...especially ones CREATED by attention-seeking sports writers and commentators (who are now already turning the page and Dzeko and Negredo are now "second coming" on the pitch together i.e. during pre-match of Newcastle game)

Pellers obviously sees these two as very well capable of playing together, and he is the one working with these guys every day....that and what I've seen in last few games with my own eyes - case closed for me, personally.

Other than the West Ham game, which other games did you think they looked good together as a partnership?

The jury is still very much out on whether they play well as a pairing, but if it's "case closed for you personally" I'd love to know which games you're basing this judgement on?

You still flogging this theme?

"It doesn't work, I don't know what it will take for Pellegrini to realise it."

"He's fucking done it again for tonight, I can't believe it! 442, Garcia in, Dzeko and Negredo up front. I'll cheer them on and hope we stuff them 6-0, but I just think the manager is making it more difficult than it needs to be."

Both comments came before the West Ham game where the pair contributed 5 goals. If you had any shame you would have bowed out of this thread gracefully.

Why don't you accept Pellegrini knows a shed load more about this subject than you?

Not keen on your user name, but I agree with this

 

[aguero93:20]

Is it me, or are we getting stronger going into Spring than ever before?! I have never seen a squad strengthen so much.

It is not you. It is definitely the case. This is a truly phenomenal run, when you take all competitions into account. But here's a genuine question, that I'd really like to know the answer to. When was the last time that we were able to play the following players, all together in the same team for a match? Komps, Yaya, Silva, Aguero, Nasri, Negredo, Zab. Does it go back to the Bayern home match? Because what blows me away is that one or other of those players has been out for what seems like months. And they're all key players, self-selecting match winners. So it is my serious opinion that, notwithstanding the difficulty of our remaining fixtures, we still have quite a margin to get better than we are.

Micah started against Bayern at home.

Silva didn't, he came on after 70 mins or so and turned the game. Still think Silva is going to be our biggest asset against any top European side.

 

[stonerblue]

I agree that it doesn't work (apart from Dzekos assist to Negredo for the goal), but what is the manager supposed to do, start with one striker against Blackburn?

Personally I'd have played one up front and Navas. That way Garcia won't get overrun in midfield, you get the best out of the front man, the best out of Silva, and one of the front men get a rest. Absolute no brainer for me.

Pellegrini just seems determined to play two up front from the start no matter how poor we look.

Oh dear..<br /><br />-- Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:40 am --<br /><br />

It's interesting that it's taken a video of Negredo hugging a smiling Dzeko and getting a bottle of booze to shake the myth that they can't play effective;y together-or at least to reframe it as they can only do so at home against relegation fodder like west ham.
But Manuel Pellegrini , who relies on video-based analysis of actual match incidents not impressions or body language, has known since October 30 thar Dzeko and Negredo can be a very effective pairing.
This was in an away game against top six contenders Newcastle, at St. James Park in the Capital One Cup.He'd not intended to try them out but was obliged to improvise due to an injury to Jovetic in the opening minutes. For much of the match the whole side didn't get going-until Silva replaced a floundering Rodwell. Then an exchange of passes between the two strikers put Negredo clear and he was only foiled by a fine reaction save from Krull. In extra time we seized the lead when Dzeko attacked Debuchy down the flank while Negredo made a parallel run in the centre. Dzeko nutmegged Debuchy while Negredo outran Mwanga- Mbiwa. Edin steered the ball across the six yard box and Alf promptly put it in the back of the net.
This would have come back to MP's mind after the injury to Aguero on december 14 with Jovetic still unavailable.
Since then he tried the pair in tandem at Craven Cottage but it didn't work that day.
Persevering at Ewood Park, he saw Negredo score from Dzeko's header . What's more, the pair were narrowly thwarted of a brilliant strike when Dzeko's pinpoint twenty yard through ball found Negredo. Alf turned Hanley in an instant but Spurr raced across with a perfectly timed interception, blasting the ball out for a corner just as Negredo was about to pull the trigger.
What followed was west ham, a hattrick for Alf, a brace for Edin with Edin' s assist for Alf's second goal and his part in Alf's third .
How wise was MP to disregard the cliches of lazy journalists and persist with the pair until the smiles and high fives all round let anyone with an open mind and eyes to see catch on to what his analysis had told him.

Oh i like this. Great post

 

[nowantads]

Since Kun got injured both of them have contributed 16 goals, 8 each (holistic?)

Not bad for a partnership that don't work.

Pellegrini sticking up with these two is brilliant, getting them to get used playing with each other. This is really good for rotation since the manager can stick any of aguero, dzeko and negredo and get result.