MCFC BOB
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Re: Dzeko
I was just stating that.Jim Tolmie's Underpants said:
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Dzeko (Merged)
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gordondaviesmoustache
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Re: Dzeko
How anyone is foolish enough to make definitive judgements on a player signed from another league before the end of this season is beyond me.
Patrice Evra
Nemanja Vidic
Didier Drogba
Dennis Bergkamp
and dare I say it David Silva are all players that took 3-6 months to find their feet in the English game.
Deco
Andrei Arshavin
John Carew
Michael Ricketts
and dare I say it Emmanuel Adebayor are all example of players who shone incandescently when they first came to the Premier League and then flickered into various states of mediocrity/underperformance.
Does history teach some people nothing?
Do I think he'll cut it?
I really don't know, ask me again in May.
I just wish some people would stop pretending that they do.
How anyone is foolish enough to make definitive judgements on a player signed from another league before the end of this season is beyond me.
Patrice Evra
Nemanja Vidic
Didier Drogba
Dennis Bergkamp
and dare I say it David Silva are all players that took 3-6 months to find their feet in the English game.
Deco
Andrei Arshavin
John Carew
Michael Ricketts
and dare I say it Emmanuel Adebayor are all example of players who shone incandescently when they first came to the Premier League and then flickered into various states of mediocrity/underperformance.
Does history teach some people nothing?
Do I think he'll cut it?
I really don't know, ask me again in May.
I just wish some people would stop pretending that they do.
r.soleofsalford
Well-Known Member
Re: Dzeko
it taught me that if i`m hungry and i`ve run out of bread i can always eat cake. :)
gordondaviesmoustache said:How anyone is foolish enough to make definitive judgements on a player signed from another league before the end of this season is beyond me.
Patrice Evra
Nemanja Vidic
Didier Drogba
Dennis Bergkamp
and dare I say it David Silva are all players that took 3-6 months to find their feet in the English game.
Deco
Andrei Arshavin
John Carew
Michael Ricketts
and dare I say it Emmanuel Adebayor are all example of players who shone incandescently when they first came to the Premier League and then flickered into various states of mediocrity/underperformance.
Does history teach some people nothing?
Do I think he'll cut it?
I really don't know, ask me again in May.
I just wish some people would stop pretending that they do.
it taught me that if i`m hungry and i`ve run out of bread i can always eat cake. :)
Re: Dzeko
He's always out wide because the strikers are encouraged to interchange, it makes up for what we lack in midfield. Take yesterday, we have Silva and who else going forward? Balotelli, Tevez and Dzeko are all strikers not playmakers yet all of them were actively playing that role. We seem to knock the ball about aimlessly looking for an opening, yes it works sometimes but against a well organized defense we can't do jack.
Prime examples, Fulham, Birmingham, Wigan, United, Spurs, Stoke, Notts County away, Leicester away, Sunderland all games we drew/lost because an assumption was made we wouldn't concede and the rest would take care of itself but the reality is the other team scores and suddenly we are up shit creek and a bit of magic is required.
I am a fan of the Mancini way in that when it comes to it you need to be solid at the back first and foremost. But when it comes to playing Kiev away we can't concede and then be so ineffective going forward and the reason form is dropping is because confidence is dropping.
Tevez hasn't looked himself for a while but that isn't Dzeko's fault. Balotelli i think is a massive talent but he's such a massive arse sometimes and if 2 of them aren't playing well then the guy who has to do the rest just looks stupid. Dzeko is forced out wide because like i've said we have no advanced midfield. Barry never gets forward, Yaya couldn't last night and who else is there, we rely on Silva being the only link between striker and midfield. Basically the strikers have to do it all themselves and that's wrong, a striker should be a striker.
Dzeko has got stick because his goalscoring record suggested he would be scoring a hat trick every week but we are playing him wrong and we haven't changed the way we play a single bit to accomodate him that's why he isn't scoring, you can't force this. Shevchenko last night was a perfect example, they had wide players pull our full backs and then a pull back to someone to cross for a tap in to someone who knows exactly how to be in the right place at the right time, it's just so simple and effective but we have no idea how to do it.
For me i can't see us ever winning any major honours until we get over ourselves, stop making excuses like a point at Arsenal is good because it isn't. I'm dreading the Champions League because we aren't good enough, to win the Champions League you have to win games and that means score goals.
Yes we are 3rd but lets not forget Spurs lost at Blackpool, United lost at Wolves, everyone is messing up and we've been lucky. Yes we are in the quarter final of the FA Cup too but we've played Leicester, Notts County and a half strength Villa side to get there.
MCFC BOB said:inbetween said:He hasn't disrupted Tevez. Football is a team game and Tevez needs to learn to play like a team-player because at the moment he's trying to beat the world. We had a severe drop in form before he arrived so that's bollocks, its due to the way we play. He can't be forced out wide he isn't Messi and i wish some people would understand no matter what reputation he has he is a poacher and finisher not a bloody beat man after man striker. Shevchenko is a similar player and he played the game right in the middle of the box and scored.. Dzeko was playing left wing at some points because he has to facilitate Tevez's desire for scoring.
I've heard people say he can't control the ball but he can given the correct ball, he isn't a boot up the pitch target man like Ibrahimovich, what he does best is finish chances and we barely managed a real clear cut chance last night, so don't blame Dzeko. United create dozens of chances a match no wonder that little shit Chicarito scores all the time and that's what Dzeko does he stands there at the last man and finishes off a move. We barely created any real chance for him to put away. A perfect example of Dzeko is against Aris, he gets the ball at the last man and twice his finish was outstanding.
Time and time again at the moment he's been forced out wide simply because our midfield on the break does not exist, they need rockets up their arses!
Our last eight games before Dzeko's first game: 4 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss.
Dzeko's first eight games at City: 3 wins, 3 draws, 2 losses.
That's our form getting worse. And it has impacted Tevez. Tevez has been 'playing for himself' for a while now, and only since Dzeko's arrival has he not been able to score as frequently as he did, and if Dzeko is a poacher then why is he constantly out wide? I don't know whose fault that is. Mancini? Tevez? Dzeko?
'He can given the correct ball'. I'm sorry, but I can control a ball if the pass is right at me. Dzek is 6ft 4 and hasn't won a header from a Joe Hart goal-kick. I didn't know that we had to pass slowly and easily to Dzeko's feet for him to be a good player so that he can control it. He's rubbish with his feet when we need him to be stronger. It's worrying for me to see that his best game was his first game. Since then he has been in slow decline, with the Aris game being the only exception.
But Hernandez has other qualities to his game. He can beat a man, and knows where the other players are. Not only that, but he scores almost every game he plays. As much as I hate him, I want Hernandez in our team. He doesn't mind not playing so much, but he scores when he does play.
But hey, the one thing that's keeping me from saing that Dzeko doesn't belong in our team is that players that sign for football clubs in January never start off well. I want to it work for Dzeko, but at the moment, a few tap-ins against much lesser opposition will not sway me. The jury is very much out on Dzeko for me.
He's always out wide because the strikers are encouraged to interchange, it makes up for what we lack in midfield. Take yesterday, we have Silva and who else going forward? Balotelli, Tevez and Dzeko are all strikers not playmakers yet all of them were actively playing that role. We seem to knock the ball about aimlessly looking for an opening, yes it works sometimes but against a well organized defense we can't do jack.
Prime examples, Fulham, Birmingham, Wigan, United, Spurs, Stoke, Notts County away, Leicester away, Sunderland all games we drew/lost because an assumption was made we wouldn't concede and the rest would take care of itself but the reality is the other team scores and suddenly we are up shit creek and a bit of magic is required.
I am a fan of the Mancini way in that when it comes to it you need to be solid at the back first and foremost. But when it comes to playing Kiev away we can't concede and then be so ineffective going forward and the reason form is dropping is because confidence is dropping.
Tevez hasn't looked himself for a while but that isn't Dzeko's fault. Balotelli i think is a massive talent but he's such a massive arse sometimes and if 2 of them aren't playing well then the guy who has to do the rest just looks stupid. Dzeko is forced out wide because like i've said we have no advanced midfield. Barry never gets forward, Yaya couldn't last night and who else is there, we rely on Silva being the only link between striker and midfield. Basically the strikers have to do it all themselves and that's wrong, a striker should be a striker.
Dzeko has got stick because his goalscoring record suggested he would be scoring a hat trick every week but we are playing him wrong and we haven't changed the way we play a single bit to accomodate him that's why he isn't scoring, you can't force this. Shevchenko last night was a perfect example, they had wide players pull our full backs and then a pull back to someone to cross for a tap in to someone who knows exactly how to be in the right place at the right time, it's just so simple and effective but we have no idea how to do it.
For me i can't see us ever winning any major honours until we get over ourselves, stop making excuses like a point at Arsenal is good because it isn't. I'm dreading the Champions League because we aren't good enough, to win the Champions League you have to win games and that means score goals.
Yes we are 3rd but lets not forget Spurs lost at Blackpool, United lost at Wolves, everyone is messing up and we've been lucky. Yes we are in the quarter final of the FA Cup too but we've played Leicester, Notts County and a half strength Villa side to get there.
simon23
Well-Known Member
Re: Dzeko
I think Dzeko is a reasonably good player....my concern is that with trying to shoehorn him into the side at this present moment we are goin g to mess up our chances of getting top 4 and maybe the fa cup.
we clearly arent playing as well when dzeko is in the side....the flow in our forward play has stopped.....im not blaming dzeko for this but he does need a different set up to be successful to the one we are playing at present.
Id be more than happy to see him benched for the majority of matches and put him on when the time is right or necessity dictates
I think Dzeko is a reasonably good player....my concern is that with trying to shoehorn him into the side at this present moment we are goin g to mess up our chances of getting top 4 and maybe the fa cup.
we clearly arent playing as well when dzeko is in the side....the flow in our forward play has stopped.....im not blaming dzeko for this but he does need a different set up to be successful to the one we are playing at present.
Id be more than happy to see him benched for the majority of matches and put him on when the time is right or necessity dictates
MCFC BOB
Well-Known Member
Re: Dzeko
And 'inbetween'... I agree with the last bit. The draw has been very kind to us. But if you read 'simon23's post, you'll see what I'm trying to say... but better.
Basically, this.simon23 said:I think Dzeko is a reasonably good player....my concern is that with trying to shoehorn him into the side at this present moment we are going to mess up our chances of getting top 4 and maybe the fa cup.
we clearly arent playing as well when dzeko is in the side....the flow in our forward play has stopped.....im not blaming dzeko for this but he does need a different set up to be successful to the one we are playing at present.
Id be more than happy to see him benched for the majority of matches and put him on when the time is right or necessity dictates
And 'inbetween'... I agree with the last bit. The draw has been very kind to us. But if you read 'simon23's post, you'll see what I'm trying to say... but better.
gordondaviesmoustache
Well-Known Member
Re: Dzeko
I think you'll find it was brioche actually ;)
r.soleofsalford said:gordondaviesmoustache said:How anyone is foolish enough to make definitive judgements on a player signed from another league before the end of this season is beyond me.
Patrice Evra
Nemanja Vidic
Didier Drogba
Dennis Bergkamp
and dare I say it David Silva are all players that took 3-6 months to find their feet in the English game.
Deco
Andrei Arshavin
John Carew
Michael Ricketts
and dare I say it Emmanuel Adebayor are all example of players who shone incandescently when they first came to the Premier League and then flickered into various states of mediocrity/underperformance.
Does history teach some people nothing?
Do I think he'll cut it?
I really don't know, ask me again in May.
I just wish some people would stop pretending that they do.
it taught me that if i`m hungry and i`ve run out of bread i can always eat cake. :)
I think you'll find it was brioche actually ;)
Re: Dzeko
I might be wrong but at 6ft 4" I would of thought that Dzeko wouldn't mind a few crosses to get on the end of to either put away or for Tevez to pick up the bits in the area the only problem is Mancini doesn't see this,we have 4 wingers Johnson ok injured but plays him on the right & so cuts in more than crossing, Wright Phillips doesn't play him, Bellamy doesn't like him so gives him Cardiff, Weiss won't be at City next year either not a big enough name, these could all provide ammunition for Dzeko as well as add much needed pace and a outlet wide instead of the same old slow slow build up threading pin point passes down the middle and basically getting sussed by the opposition and I think until Dzeko is given this help we won't see him for the player he could be.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfo0E0UJVmw[/youtube]
I might be wrong but at 6ft 4" I would of thought that Dzeko wouldn't mind a few crosses to get on the end of to either put away or for Tevez to pick up the bits in the area the only problem is Mancini doesn't see this,we have 4 wingers Johnson ok injured but plays him on the right & so cuts in more than crossing, Wright Phillips doesn't play him, Bellamy doesn't like him so gives him Cardiff, Weiss won't be at City next year either not a big enough name, these could all provide ammunition for Dzeko as well as add much needed pace and a outlet wide instead of the same old slow slow build up threading pin point passes down the middle and basically getting sussed by the opposition and I think until Dzeko is given this help we won't see him for the player he could be.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfo0E0UJVmw[/youtube]
Re: Dzeko
I also think he could use some consistency from his coach (as far as confidence and adjustment)...
You cant play him 90 minutes in one game, then 5 minutes the next game, then 10 the game after, then 85 again, and so on...how is that gonna help his adjustment and finding his stride with the likes of Silva and Tevez?
Mancini should either play him consistently (maybe even stick with three forwards, to hell with it) or just be straight forward and tell him - look, I've got plans for you next season. I think consistency is where Mancini fails quite a bit.
He has given up on three-man front after 1 or two games, like if Vieira played in those two the outcome would definitely be different :-)
I also think he could use some consistency from his coach (as far as confidence and adjustment)...
You cant play him 90 minutes in one game, then 5 minutes the next game, then 10 the game after, then 85 again, and so on...how is that gonna help his adjustment and finding his stride with the likes of Silva and Tevez?
Mancini should either play him consistently (maybe even stick with three forwards, to hell with it) or just be straight forward and tell him - look, I've got plans for you next season. I think consistency is where Mancini fails quite a bit.
He has given up on three-man front after 1 or two games, like if Vieira played in those two the outcome would definitely be different :-)