Dzeko VS Negredo

[01cravend]

I'd go with Negredo for the Bayern game, primarily because his link up is better, and he's not as selfish as Edin

 

[NorCalBlue]

Dzeko is the oddest of enigmas ... someone who doesn't have a good touch and misses a hatful of chances each game ... and yet, still keeps being on the end of moves to get those chances, game after game, and keeps scoring.
And scoring is something we're told is the hardest thing in football - an art-form that very few players in the world can do consistently - yet Dzeko can do it for fun.

My feeling (for what it's worth) in the Dzeko / Negredo debate is that if Dzeko played all season rather than Negredo, then he wouldn't play as well as Negredo, and he would infuriate people on a regular basis ... but at the end of the season, he would have a hatful of goals, and more goals than Negredo would have had. He could even be top-scorer in the Premier League, whilst being the worst controller and passer of a football on the pitch most weeks.

I suppose this is why Dzeko divides opinion more than anyone on this forum ?

You have a good point mate. And I reckon that he would have more goals than Negredo. But on the flipside do Dzeko's performances prevent the rest of the teams scoring goals ie slowing moves down, giving the ball away, poor touch etc.

I think in the scenario where Negredo plays all season, we score more goals and win more games. But its all guess work based on what I've seen. I guess we will never know for sure!

I can answer that! Over the last two full seasons (all competitions), City scored an average of 2.28 goals per game when Dzeko was on the pitch, 1.99 goals per game when Tevez was on the pitch, and 1.98 goals per game when Aguero was on the pitch. So for the last two seasons at least, Dzeko's performances haven't seemed to prevent the rest of the team from scoring goals.

 

[Joe Hart's Dandruff]

If you're a Bayern Munich defender, who would you prefer to be lining up against tonight? Dzeko or Negredo (who also goes by the mane of 'Beast')?

Simple answer.

Yea, Bayern defenders are shitting their pants, because they call him beast.. I don't think Bayern defenders could give a fuck who they face tonight. This is just another game for them, and they faced much better striker(s) regardless who plays tonight Negredo/Dzeko.

I was joking by adding his nickname. I can guarantee if you're a Bayern defender you would rather face Dzeko, as Negredo will run them ragged and be in their face all night. You're a fucking idiot if you think otherwise. And who are these 'much' better strikers they have faced? They sure as hell don't face them on a weekly base in the Bundesliga. I'd be interested in hearing what strikers are out there at the moment that are operating at a level that is current;y 'much better' than Negredo is. You joker.

 

[chris85mcfc]

Dzeko is the oddest of enigmas ... someone who doesn't have a good touch and misses a hatful of chances each game ... and yet, still keeps being on the end of moves to get those chances, game after game, and keeps scoring.
And scoring is something we're told is the hardest thing in football - an art-form that very few players in the world can do consistently - yet Dzeko can do it for fun.

My feeling (for what it's worth) in the Dzeko / Negredo debate is that if Dzeko played all season rather than Negredo, then he wouldn't play as well as Negredo, and he would infuriate people on a regular basis ... but at the end of the season, he would have a hatful of goals, and more goals than Negredo would have had. He could even be top-scorer in the Premier League, whilst being the worst controller and passer of a football on the pitch most weeks.

I suppose this is why Dzeko divides opinion more than anyone on this forum ?

You have a good point mate. And I reckon that he would have more goals than Negredo. But on the flipside do Dzeko's performances prevent the rest of the teams scoring goals ie slowing moves down, giving the ball away, poor touch etc.

I think in the scenario where Negredo plays all season, we score more goals and win more games. But its all guess work based on what I've seen. I guess we will never know for sure!

I can answer that! Over the last two full seasons (all competitions), City scored an average of 2.28 goals per game when Dzeko was on the pitch, 1.99 goals per game when Tevez was on the pitch, and 1.98 goals per game when Aguero was on the pitch. So for the last two seasons at least, Dzeko's performances haven't seemed to prevent the rest of the team from scoring goals.

I suppose then the question is of those games Dzeko has scored those 2.28 goals, how many points per game have we taken? I'm sure I heard a stat the other day that said we haven't lost a game where Aguero has scored. If that is correct then that is some stat!!

I'm not in the anti-Dzeko camp at all. He is a City player and I want what is best for the team. Personally, I just think from what I have seen, that Negredo is a better fit for us in terms of his all round play. He will score us goals but he will also make plenty with his movement, plus the hunger he has shown in games so far is great to see.

 

[Zlatan]

If you're a Bayern Munich defender, who would you prefer to be lining up against tonight? Dzeko or Negredo (who also goes by the mane of 'Beast')?

Simple answer.

Yea, Bayern defenders are shitting their pants, because they call him beast.. I don't think Bayern defenders could give a fuck who they face tonight. This is just another game for them, and they faced much better striker(s) regardless who plays tonight Negredo/Dzeko.

I was joking by adding his nickname. I can guarantee if you're a Bayern defender you would rather face Dzeko, as Negredo will run them ragged and be in their face all night. You're a fucking idiot if you think otherwise. And who are these 'much' better strikers they have faced? They sure as hell don't face them on a weekly base in the Bundesliga. I'd be interested in hearing what strikers are out there at the moment that are operating at a level that is current;y 'much better' than Negredo is. You joker.

Than it MUST be true if you can guarantee that. Based on what. I cant guarantee what they think but i am very sure that bayern defenders have huge respect for Dzeko. As for Negredo i really dont now.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.focus.de/fotos/mario-mandzukic-m-und-jerome-boateng-treffen-auf-den-ex-wolfsburger_mid_1346621.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.focus.de/fotos/mario-mandzuk ... 46621.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/8566123.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/8566123.stm</a> ( 9 th picture, and just read what autor said, Dante was great that night against Dzeko he only scored him 2 goals )

<a class="postlink" href="http://undiesboyssoccer.blogspot.com/2013/08/edin-dzeko.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://undiesboyssoccer.blogspot.com/20 ... dzeko.html</a> and here Dante was to late for changing a kit. Better luck next time kid :)

 

[adorado30]

If you're a Bayern Munich defender, who would you prefer to be lining up against tonight? Dzeko or Negredo (who also goes by the mane of 'Beast')?

Simple answer.

Yea, Bayern defenders are shitting their pants, because they call him beast.. I don't think Bayern defenders could give a fuck who they face tonight. This is just another game for them, and they faced much better striker(s) regardless who plays tonight Negredo/Dzeko.

I was joking by adding his nickname. I can guarantee if you're a Bayern defender you would rather face Dzeko, as Negredo will run them ragged and be in their face all night. You're a fucking idiot if you think otherwise. And who are these 'much' better strikers they have faced? They sure as hell don't face them on a weekly base in the Bundesliga. I'd be interested in hearing what strikers are out there at the moment that are operating at a level that is current;y 'much better' than Negredo is. You joker.

If you remember Bayern won everything last year there was to win, so i am sure they faced more then enough of great strikers. They demolished Juve and fucking Barca who even didnt score a goal over 4 games. You are fucking idiot for making Negredo the next fucking Messi. He's had one exceptional season (last year), Negredo is a great player and i love his work rate, but running all game long and as you say being in their faces don't mean shit end of the day if you dont win the game, does it ?

 

[Joe Hart's Dandruff]

Yea, Bayern defenders are shitting their pants, because they call him beast.. I don't think Bayern defenders could give a fuck who they face tonight. This is just another game for them, and they faced much better striker(s) regardless who plays tonight Negredo/Dzeko.

I was joking by adding his nickname. I can guarantee if you're a Bayern defender you would rather face Dzeko, as Negredo will run them ragged and be in their face all night. You're a fucking idiot if you think otherwise. And who are these 'much' better strikers they have faced? They sure as hell don't face them on a weekly base in the Bundesliga. I'd be interested in hearing what strikers are out there at the moment that are operating at a level that is current;y 'much better' than Negredo is. You joker.

If you remember Bayern won everything last year there was to win, so i am sure they faced more then enough of great strikers. They demolished Juve and fucking Barca who even didnt score a goal over 4 games. You are fucking idiot for making Negredo the next fucking Messi. He's had one exceptional season (last year), Negredo is a great player and i love his work rate, but running all game long and as you say being in their faces don't mean shit end of the day if you dont win the game, does it ?

I do happen to remember that Bayern are European Champions, funny enough. I was just curious to hear who you think is/was operating at a much higher level than Negredo is at the minute. I noticed to didn't bother to answer that.

 

[AntiUnited]

Dzeko is the oddest of enigmas ... someone who doesn't have a good touch and misses a hatful of chances each game ... and yet, still keeps being on the end of moves to get those chances, game after game, and keeps scoring.
And scoring is something we're told is the hardest thing in football - an art-form that very few players in the world can do consistently - yet Dzeko can do it for fun.

My feeling (for what it's worth) in the Dzeko / Negredo debate is that if Dzeko played all season rather than Negredo, then he wouldn't play as well as Negredo, and he would infuriate people on a regular basis ... but at the end of the season, he would have a hatful of goals, and more goals than Negredo would have had. He could even be top-scorer in the Premier League, whilst being the worst controller and passer of a football on the pitch most weeks.

I suppose this is why Dzeko divides opinion more than anyone on this forum ?

You have a good point mate. And I reckon that he would have more goals than Negredo. But on the flipside do Dzeko's performances prevent the rest of the teams scoring goals ie slowing moves down, giving the ball away, poor touch etc.

I think in the scenario where Negredo plays all season, we score more goals and win more games. But its all guess work based on what I've seen. I guess we will never know for sure!

I can answer that! Over the last two full seasons (all competitions), City scored an average of 2.28 goals per game when Dzeko was on the pitch, 1.99 goals per game when Tevez was on the pitch, and 1.98 goals per game when Aguero was on the pitch. So for the last two seasons at least, Dzeko's performances haven't seemed to prevent the rest of the team from scoring goals.

Its a myth the dzeko haters like to perpetuate. he does not contribute at all. hes selfish you proved time and time again that he actually provides the team more goals. but dont worry they will avoid it and just keep on banging why neg is better ect.

 

[@BluePhil8]

I'll be gob smacked if Dzeko starts tonight.

It will be either

Negrado Aguero

or

Aguero Jovetic

 

[Zlatan]

I was joking by adding his nickname. I can guarantee if you're a Bayern defender you would rather face Dzeko, as Negredo will run them ragged and be in their face all night. You're a fucking idiot if you think otherwise. And who are these 'much' better strikers they have faced? They sure as hell don't face them on a weekly base in the Bundesliga. I'd be interested in hearing what strikers are out there at the moment that are operating at a level that is current;y 'much better' than Negredo is. You joker.

If you remember Bayern won everything last year there was to win, so i am sure they faced more then enough of great strikers. They demolished Juve and fucking Barca who even didnt score a goal over 4 games. You are fucking idiot for making Negredo the next fucking Messi. He's had one exceptional season (last year), Negredo is a great player and i love his work rate, but running all game long and as you say being in their faces don't mean shit end of the day if you dont win the game, does it ?

I do happen to remember that Bayern are European Champions, funny enough. I was just curious to hear who you think is/was operating at a much higher level than Negredo is at the minute. I noticed to didn't bother to answer that.

Was he operating at much higher level at their last game vs Villa ?
Or he just operates that way on big derbies with Aguero alongside him ?

 

[adorado30]

I was joking by adding his nickname. I can guarantee if you're a Bayern defender you would rather face Dzeko, as Negredo will run them ragged and be in their face all night. You're a fucking idiot if you think otherwise. And who are these 'much' better strikers they have faced? They sure as hell don't face them on a weekly base in the Bundesliga. I'd be interested in hearing what strikers are out there at the moment that are operating at a level that is current;y 'much better' than Negredo is. You joker.

If you remember Bayern won everything last year there was to win, so i am sure they faced more then enough of great strikers. They demolished Juve and fucking Barca who even didnt score a goal over 4 games. You are fucking idiot for making Negredo the next fucking Messi. He's had one exceptional season (last year), Negredo is a great player and i love his work rate, but running all game long and as you say being in their faces don't mean shit end of the day if you dont win the game, does it ?

I do happen to remember that Bayern are European Champions, funny enough. I was just curious to hear who you think is/was operating at a much higher level than Negredo is at the minute. I noticed to didn't bother to answer that.

What the fuck is operating "at a much higher level at the minute" then any other striker around European leagues ? What is he doing that is so special ? want the team only to win fucking games, games and more games, regardless of how we play.

 

[cheddar404]

You have a good point mate. And I reckon that he would have more goals than Negredo. But on the flipside do Dzeko's performances prevent the rest of the teams scoring goals ie slowing moves down, giving the ball away, poor touch etc.

I think in the scenario where Negredo plays all season, we score more goals and win more games. But its all guess work based on what I've seen. I guess we will never know for sure!

I can answer that! Over the last two full seasons (all competitions), City scored an average of 2.28 goals per game when Dzeko was on the pitch, 1.99 goals per game when Tevez was on the pitch, and 1.98 goals per game when Aguero was on the pitch. So for the last two seasons at least, Dzeko's performances haven't seemed to prevent the rest of the team from scoring goals.

I suppose then the question is of those games Dzeko has scored those 2.28 goals, how many points per game have we taken? I'm sure I heard a stat the other day that said we haven't lost a game where Aguero has scored. If that is correct then that is some stat!!

I'm not in the anti-Dzeko camp at all. He is a City player and I want what is best for the team. Personally, I just think from what I have seen, that Negredo is a better fit for us in terms of his all round play. He will score us goals but he will also make plenty with his movement, plus the hunger he has shown in games so far is great to see.

We have never lost a game that Joe Hart has scored in either. It's another one of those titbits that doesn't really tell you much.

 

[AntiUnited]

I can answer that! Over the last two full seasons (all competitions), City scored an average of 2.28 goals per game when Dzeko was on the pitch, 1.99 goals per game when Tevez was on the pitch, and 1.98 goals per game when Aguero was on the pitch. So for the last two seasons at least, Dzeko's performances haven't seemed to prevent the rest of the team from scoring goals.

I suppose then the question is of those games Dzeko has scored those 2.28 goals, how many points per game have we taken? I'm sure I heard a stat the other day that said we haven't lost a game where Aguero has scored. If that is correct then that is some stat!!

I'm not in the anti-Dzeko camp at all. He is a City player and I want what is best for the team. Personally, I just think from what I have seen, that Negredo is a better fit for us in terms of his all round play. He will score us goals but he will also make plenty with his movement, plus the hunger he has shown in games so far is great to see.

We have never lost a game that Joe Hart has scored in either. It's another one of those titbits that doesn't really tell you much.

would be interesting if that was neg with those stats. i bet you would say the same thing ?

 

[Centurions]

Dear Colinlee. Again lie.
He was saying that Dzeko IS NOT A TEAM PLAYER. He was not talking better player.
Team player means to sacrifice for the team. Sometimes it is sacrifice to sit on the bench. And Tevez and Balotelli ( as hi did ) would fly away after sitting 6 months on the bench. Tevez was giving 100 % when he was the main man. When he was a SUB , he sometimes diditn even want to play in CL match. Is this a TEAM player dear Colinlee ? ( he was even sulking when Mancini decided he was not a captain ).

Dzeko sulks even when he's on the pitch you muppet, why don't you just bore off now.

Can't we get this obvious troll banned for god sake.

 

[Zlatan]

I can answer that! Over the last two full seasons (all competitions), City scored an average of 2.28 goals per game when Dzeko was on the pitch, 1.99 goals per game when Tevez was on the pitch, and 1.98 goals per game when Aguero was on the pitch. So for the last two seasons at least, Dzeko's performances haven't seemed to prevent the rest of the team from scoring goals.

I suppose then the question is of those games Dzeko has scored those 2.28 goals, how many points per game have we taken? I'm sure I heard a stat the other day that said we haven't lost a game where Aguero has scored. If that is correct then that is some stat!!

I'm not in the anti-Dzeko camp at all. He is a City player and I want what is best for the team. Personally, I just think from what I have seen, that Negredo is a better fit for us in terms of his all round play. He will score us goals but he will also make plenty with his movement, plus the hunger he has shown in games so far is great to see.

We have never lost a game that Joe Hart has scored in either. It's another one of those titbits that doesn't really tell you much.

THE BEST ONE SO FAR, hehehe 10/10

-- Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:16 pm --

Dear Colinlee. Again lie.
He was saying that Dzeko IS NOT A TEAM PLAYER. He was not talking better player.
Team player means to sacrifice for the team. Sometimes it is sacrifice to sit on the bench. And Tevez and Balotelli ( as hi did ) would fly away after sitting 6 months on the bench. Tevez was giving 100 % when he was the main man. When he was a SUB , he sometimes diditn even want to play in CL match. Is this a TEAM player dear Colinlee ? ( he was even sulking when Mancini decided he was not a captain ).

Dzeko sulks even when he's on the pitch you muppet, why don't you just bore off now.

Can't we get this obvious troll banned for god sake.

You dislike one of your own player ( not to say bigger word ). That is all you do, I contributed far more to this and other treads by long detail responses. You only say few words and most of the times negative one. And dont talk to me anymore. I am FINISHED with you i will not answer one single post of yours.

 

[chris85mcfc]

I suppose then the question is of those games Dzeko has scored those 2.28 goals, how many points per game have we taken? I'm sure I heard a stat the other day that said we haven't lost a game where Aguero has scored. If that is correct then that is some stat!!

I'm not in the anti-Dzeko camp at all. He is a City player and I want what is best for the team. Personally, I just think from what I have seen, that Negredo is a better fit for us in terms of his all round play. He will score us goals but he will also make plenty with his movement, plus the hunger he has shown in games so far is great to see.

We have never lost a game that Joe Hart has scored in either. It's another one of those titbits that doesn't really tell you much.

would be interesting if that was neg with those stats. i bet you would say the same thing ?

I would say the same thing if Negredo spent half the game giving the ball away or lying on his ass with his hands in the air. But as of yet all I've seen Negredo do is score goals, look threatening and working hard for the team.<br /><br />-- Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:26 pm --<br /><br />

If you remember Bayern won everything last year there was to win, so i am sure they faced more then enough of great strikers. They demolished Juve and fucking Barca who even didnt score a goal over 4 games. You are fucking idiot for making Negredo the next fucking Messi. He's had one exceptional season (last year), Negredo is a great player and i love his work rate, but running all game long and as you say being in their faces don't mean shit end of the day if you dont win the game, does it ?

I do happen to remember that Bayern are European Champions, funny enough. I was just curious to hear who you think is/was operating at a much higher level than Negredo is at the minute. I noticed to didn't bother to answer that.

What the fuck is operating "at a much higher level at the minute" then any other striker around European leagues ? What is he doing that is so special ? want the team only to win fucking games, games and more games, regardless of how we play.

Why do you keep swearing? Literally haven't read a post in the last half hour where you haven't sworn every 3 or 4 words. Shows a lack of intelligence in my opinion :)

 

[@BluePhil8]

It says it all really.

Any neutral City fan who has followed the club through thick and thin will say he is a good player, who is inconsistent. We have no reason to side with any of our forwards, none of them are English, they are all foreign. Why would we just isolate Dzeko for unfair criticism? We wouldn't.

It's only the posters from the Balkans who pull up these obscure stats as to why he is secretly the best player we have ever had. It just does my head in now and the quality of the forum has gone down hill so fast. Their are essentially three factions now; Dzeko lovers, Mancini lovers and Mancini outers. Most threads just descend into personal slanging matches between the three.

Can't wait for Dzeko to leave and Pellegrini to start winning trophies so everyone can just fuck off and be happy.

 

[adorado30]

We have never lost a game that Joe Hart has scored in either. It's another one of those titbits that doesn't really tell you much.

would be interesting if that was neg with those stats. i bet you would say the same thing ?

I would say the same thing if Negredo spent half the game giving the ball away or lying on his ass with his hands in the air. But as of yet all I've seen Negredo do is score goals, look threatening and working hard for the team.

-- Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:26 pm --

I do happen to remember that Bayern are European Champions, funny enough. I was just curious to hear who you think is/was operating at a much higher level than Negredo is at the minute. I noticed to didn't bother to answer that.

What the fuck is operating "at a much higher level at the minute" then any other striker around European leagues ? What is he doing that is so special ? want the team only to win fucking games, games and more games, regardless of how we play.

Why do you keep swearing? Literally haven't read a post in the last half hour where you haven't sworn every 3 or 4 words. Shows a lack of intelligence in my opinion :)

Yea, literally that what it is Einstein.

 

[AntiUnited]

We have never lost a game that Joe Hart has scored in either. It's another one of those titbits that doesn't really tell you much.

would be interesting if that was neg with those stats. i bet you would say the same thing ?

I would say the same thing if Negredo spent half the game giving the ball away or lying on his ass with his hands in the air. But as of yet all I've seen Negredo do is score goals, look threatening and working hard for the team.

-- Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:26 pm --

I do happen to remember that Bayern are European Champions, funny enough. I was just curious to hear who you think is/was operating at a much higher level than Negredo is at the minute. I noticed to didn't bother to answer that.

What the fuck is operating "at a much higher level at the minute" then any other striker around European leagues ? What is he doing that is so special ? want the team only to win fucking games, games and more games, regardless of how we play.

Why do you keep swearing? Literally haven't read a post in the last half hour where you haven't sworn every 3 or 4 words. Shows a lack of intelligence in my opinion :)

you make it sound like dzeko does fukiun nothing for the team some 1 mentioned he makes the team score more stats wise. he actually fukin scores goals in games. and he does pass the ball. so i dont know u are talking about. you must be watching a totally diff city side. cuz every game this season he has put a shift in.

 

[NorCalBlue]

You have a good point mate. And I reckon that he would have more goals than Negredo. But on the flipside do Dzeko's performances prevent the rest of the teams scoring goals ie slowing moves down, giving the ball away, poor touch etc.

I think in the scenario where Negredo plays all season, we score more goals and win more games. But its all guess work based on what I've seen. I guess we will never know for sure!

I can answer that! Over the last two full seasons (all competitions), City scored an average of 2.28 goals per game when Dzeko was on the pitch, 1.99 goals per game when Tevez was on the pitch, and 1.98 goals per game when Aguero was on the pitch. So for the last two seasons at least, Dzeko's performances haven't seemed to prevent the rest of the team from scoring goals.

Its a myth the dzeko haters like to perpetuate. he does not contribute at all. hes selfish you proved time and time again that he actually provides the team more goals. but dont worry they will avoid it and just keep on banging why neg is better ect.

In the interest of fairness, I should also note that over the last 2 seasons we've conceded more goals with Dzeko on the pitch than with Aguero or Tevez (1.13 goals per game for Dzeko, 0.86 for Aguero, and 0.82 for Tevez), which surprised me at first, because Dzeko seems to offer a lot more defensively from set pieces. I assume the reason has something to do with the way we've played when Aguero and/or Tevez were on the pitch - a slower, more possession-based style which perhaps denies the opposition chances better than a big guy on a corner.

Interestingly, if you look at the difference between team goals scored and conceded (i.e. goal difference when each striker was on the pitch), all three have almost the same number; +1.12 for Aguero, +1.17 for Tevez, and +1.15 for Dzeko.

I'm currently keeping track of all these stats (and more) for this season, so it'll be interesting to look at Negredo's stats at the end of the season in comparison to Aguero and Dzeko (we haven't played enough games yet for this season's numbers to be meaningful).