Ederson (defensive midfielder Atalanta)

[Wretched Vengeance]

Didn't he use to suck somewhere else before finding form at ATL? Kinda like Lookman? Or am i confusing him with someone else.

No clue, mate - he could have. That Atalanta side seems possessed. That's what worries me.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

No clue, mate - he could have. That Atalanta side seems possessed. That's what worries me.

Are you suggesting they might be using some of Uncle Jurgen's magic inhalers?

 

[Wretched Vengeance]

Are you suggesting they might be using some of Uncle Jurgen's magic inhalers?

 

[ScottSinclair]

Agsin, this doesn't tell the whole story:

Again this started at Newcastle. Before that game Diyno was the unquestioned starter. We lost 2-1 and Dihno couldn't play the next game ( accumulated yellow or a strain, cant remember) Gundo came in and we beat Arsenal and the football was scintillating. We mauled them.


From that point on Gundo assumed the mantle of starting DM with Dihno being the DM that started smaller games or joined Gundo in midfield in big games.


Normally when healthy Dihno simply replaced the reaerve Gundo. But in the next match against Everton, he simply joined Gunso as a double pivot and also against Chemsea.


At that point Gundo was the key starter. In the next match against Newport, Gundo was rested and Dihno started. 4 days later in the more important Chsmpions league game Gundo started at DM with and Dijno was moved to CB


Then in the EFL cup, Gundo was rested and Dihno started. Then in the important league game 3 gays later again Gundo is DM. And he plays the next 3 league games as we chase down Liverpool and the team is humming. At that point, he was the undisputed starter. Dihno was the auxiliary mid when healthy.


The Leed's Phillips not ours. :)

What you are portraying just simply isnt the truth.


He did start at centre-back against Arsenal yes. The only game in the league he started as a centre-back. For the remainder if the season IF fit he either started alongside Gundo in midfield or benched him. In all games he were fit Fernandinho were preferred to start in his DM role
He started against Newport, woth Gundogan being subbed on after 80 minutes


He only started on the bench in the semis against Brighton after a injury lay-off





He started at CB in the first leg against Shalke granted, but was back in the pivot at White Hart Lane with Gundogan playing instead of a injured De Bruyne.

So he played twice at centre-back and started on the bench thrice after injury lay-offs in those 6 months. In every other game he was fit he was preferred over Gundogan, with Gundo either starting alongside him in midfield in De Bruynes absence or starting on the bench. Again, taking nothing away from Gundo but your version of events simply isn't true

 

[Dax777]

What you are portraying just simply isnt the truth.

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He did start at centre-back against Arsenal yes. The only game in the league he started as a centre-back. For the remainder if the season IF fit he either started alongside Gundo in midfield or benched him. In all games he were fit Fernandinho were preferred to start in his DM roleView attachment 142048
He started against Newport, woth Gundogan being subbed on after 80 minutes


He only started on the bench in the semis against Brighton after a injury lay-off
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He started at CB in the first leg against Shalke granted, but was back in the pivot at White Hart Lane with Gundogan playing instead of a injured De Bruyne.

So he played twice at centre-back and started on the bench thrice after injury lay-offs in those 6 months. In every other game he was fit he was preferred over Gundogan, with Gundo either starting alongside him in midfield in De Bruynes absence or starting on the bench. Again, taking nothing away from Gundo but your version of events simply isn't true

The way youve spliced this is a little confusing...

I get it you are separating each tournament. But id rather look in chronological order. Thats


The way i remember it he played the first leg against Tottenham we lost 1-0 ( double pivot with Gundo), then we play palace or Cardiff he has a muscle strain and doesn't play. Then was on the bench for the 4 -3 shootout, came on for Silva in the 2nd half.

Thdn back ro the Bench against Tottenham as we played them 3 games in 4. He is on the bench and Gundo again is the DM. Then Kevin gets injured and Dihno not Gundo replaces Kevin. Then starts in a double picot against United before getting injured and Gundo runs the table.


Anyway, my point is its that Gunsogsn player we need. Not a short-term DM

 

[ScottSinclair]

The way youve spliced this is a little confusing...

I get it you are separating each tournament. But id rather look in chronological order. Thats


The way i remember it he played the first leg against Tottenham we lost 1-0 ( double pivot with Gundo), then we play palace or Cardiff he has a muscle strain and doesn't play. Then was on the bench for the 4 -3 shootout, came on for Silva in the 2nd half.

Thdn back ro the Bench against Tottenham as we played them 3 games in 4. He is on the bench and Gundo again is the DM. Then Kevin gets injured and Dihno not Gundo replaces Kevin. Then starts in a double picot against United before getting injured and Gundo runs the table.


Anyway, my point is its that Gunsogsn player we need. Not a short-term DM

And what you remember is wrong. Which I thought as soon as you wrote it and the facts back it up. Look it up yourself if you want to, bringing up what you remember is a bit pointless. Gundogan at no point benched Fernandinho.

The overarching point is that even Guardiola never preferred Gundogan in the pivot over Fernandinho, if the latter were available and fit to play

Again taking nothing away from Gundo. He played his role superbly. But that run-in he only played dm if Fernandinho were injured, coming back from a injury or for those 2 games Pep experimented with Fern as a cb, assuming because of injuries to Stones or Otamendi but that I haven't checked

 

[Dax777]

And what you remember is wrong. Which I thought as soon as you wrote it and the facts back it up. Look it up yourself if you want to, bringing up what you remember is a bit pointless. Gundogan at no point benched Fernandinho.

The overarching point is that even Guardiola never preferred Gundogan in the pivot over Fernandinho, if the latter were available and fit to play

Again taking nothing away from Gundo. He played his role superbly. But that run-in he only played dm if Fernandinho were injured, coming back from a injury or for those 2 games Pep experimented with Fern as a cb, assuming because of injuries to Stones or Otamendi but that I haven't checked

Well when you pun off every time he is on the bench to injury, one can draw that conclusion.

AO let me opine then, in my view, in the run in, Gundogasm played the position better and City were better when he played it.

Its no surprise we didn't miss a bit when Dihno was out. Even though prior to that season, he was the guy most claimed we couldn't afford to lose.

Also my remembrance of the 3 games against Tottenham in on 4 games was right!

Double Pivot, for CL first leg, gets injured for next game, returns for 2nd leg on the bench, subs in for David then is back on the bench to the bench for the league game against Tottenham in the league and only comes in when Kev gets injured before going on to get injured himself in the next game against United.

Gundogs then takes the ship home safe and sound.

 

[ScottSinclair]

Well when you pun off every time he is on the bench to injury, one can draw that conclusion.

AO let me opine then, in my view, in the run in, Gundogasm played the position better and City were better when he played it.

Its no surprise we didn't miss a bit when Dihno was out. Even though prior to that season, he was the guy most claimed we couldn't afford to lose.

Also my remembrance of the 3 games against Tottenham in on 4 games was right!

Double Pivot, for CL first leg, gets injured for next game, returns for 2nd leg on the bench, subs in for David then is back on the bench to the bench for the league game against Tottenham in the league and only comes in when Kev gets injured before going on to get injured himself in the next game against United.

Gundogs then takes the ship home safe and sound.

You're absolutely allowed to think we were a better team with Gundo in that role. We won everything and were extremely solid. I'm just saying that putting it like Gundo benched Fernandinho isn't entirely accurate when Fernandinho played almost every single minute available to him that season, and if you look at the dates his only games where he started on the bench where games where he was just back from a injury. So I'm not opining that he was on the bench because of injury, it is a accurate statement that the small handfull of games he started on the bench in that run-in where games where he just had recovered from muscular injuries or knee problems. He were straight back into his favored role and played all 90 minutes until his next injury would occur in all instances except the one you highlighted in the double header against Spurs where he probably played more then intented which resulted in his knee injury against United when he started the next game. Certainly mlre accurate than your original one of "Fernandinho just played the smaller games, either benched or in a double pivot with Gundogan in the big games". Fernandinho played everything, Gundogan was the understudy and backup.

Anyway, this derails the thread a bit. As I said you are well within your right to prefer a Gundogan type. I just personally disagree. Now, even more than back then we absolutely need physicality and athleticism in the centre. I also think the club and Pep agrees, both now and back then. After that run-in Fernandinho's injury isses got answered by targeting Rodri, a brilliant footballer but also with a very strong physique coming off a year with Atletico where his physicality were more highlighted then some of the atributes he has developed in the past years.
Now after 6 months after where being very lightweight in midfield has hurt us we are targeting Ederson.

 

[Psychedelic Casual]

By the way, i have watched Ederson a few times. Or put differently, ive watched Atalanta a few times. But never in any of them had i ever thought, WOW! Who is that number 13?

Frankly, i had to go watch his highlights to see what all the fuss was about. The highlights look decent. Nothing extraordinary. Lots of hard sliding tackles and some nifty moves hee and there.

Its no surprise he didn't stand out to me. Im guessing he didn't make all those sliding tackles in just 1 game.

Im not suggesting he isn't a good player by the way, i just think a different type of player might be better for us

I watched Atlético a good half a dozen times the season before we signed Rodri and never even noticed him in any game. To the point that, when we signed him, I wasn’t sure who he was.

 

[christened at st marks]

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