Ederson or Hart. Who gets into the team of the decade?

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Hart was great under a defensive minded manager like Roberto , the whole team defended superbly and could close games down and Joe was a big part of that , when Pellers came along we played a more expansive game and Joe was exposed more , he still did Ok under Pellers but he had a lot more saves to make etc., Pep had already made his mind up about Joe before he arrived and his City career was finished in ruthless fashion , he deserved better for his ten years service at the club. Who is best ? Even with his short tenure as our keeper Ederson gets my vote ,although i loved what Joe did for the club and will always be one of the great City keepers alongside Trautmann , Swift , Corrigan , Coton , Given and ........................Niall Quinn.
 
This is a hard question to answer.
No City keeper of the past few years, ever has those 'backs to the wall' / 'pull off a string of great saves' moments that other keepers do (the likes of Fabianski, Etheridge, de Gea especially) ... simply because of the way City dominate possession / conttol the play every single match.

For example, penalties aside, Ederson has only faced a combined total of 4 shots on target in his last 7 matches. His main problem is probably boredom.

So neither Hart nor Ederson made/make many saves. With Ederson, it's really all about his passing / sweeper-keeper / concentration / keeping the ball moving.
At this (which is what Pep demands) he's a lot better than Joe ever was.
 
mosssideblue said:
Correct, you win both with the team supporting you.


Other than shot stopping & 1v1, what exactly was Joe good at ?

For me:

command of the box was weak
Catching was non existent
Flapping / wafting, I'll grant you
Distribution - appalling
Ball skills at his feet - none
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He made fewer mistakes than his peers. Yes, there were some errors, but very few - so few I can remember them - other top GKs made more mistakes. But the press went on and on about any small mistake. Messi rated him as a phenomenally good GK. Messi's word is enough for me. His record against other top Prem GKs is a fair comparison during that 5/6 year period. His record for England when considered against Neuer and the like is a fair comparison. Neuer played 70-odd games behind one of the greatest teams who ever lived. Joe played behind a very average England team and yet has a better record than Neuer. Yes, Germany went deeper into tournaments, but otherwise they played the same standard of opponent.
 
HarrytheBlue said:
He made fewer mistakes than his peers. Yes, there were some errors, but very few - so few I can remember them - other top GKs made more mistakes. But the press went on and on about any small mistake. Messi rated him as a phenomenally good GK. Messi's word is enough for me. His record against other top Prem GKs is a fair comparison during that 5/6 year period. His record for England when considered against Neuer and the like is a fair comparison. Neuer played 70-odd games behind one of the greatest teams who ever lived. Joe played behind a very average England team and yet has a better record than Neuer. Yes, Germany went deeper into tournaments, but otherwise they played the same standard of opponent.
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Nice spin, but would you now be willing to answer the question put i.e. other that shot stopping / 1v1 what was he good at?
 
At his peak Joe was as good as they come .Watched a video yesterday v the rags at Wembley. He was outstanding. His distribution wasn't always the best. I will go for Joe simply because how the teams he were in played, he had many more shots to save
 
For me, it has to be Hart. I do think Ederson is the better goalie, clearly so on distribution and commanding his area and perhaps slightly so in shot-stopping. But to vote for Ederson for City team-of-the-decade would be like picking a man-of-the-match who only came on after 75 minutes!
 
mosssideblue said:
Nice spin, but would you now be willing to answer the question put i.e. other that shot stopping / 1v1 what was he good at?
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You don't have to put spin on what is a monumental Prem and England record. Joe's main strength has always been one-on-one situations. Lloris has always made far more mistakes than Joe, but gets away with it. Lloris is regarded as world class.
 
HarrytheBlue said:
You don't have to put spin on what is a monumental Prem and England record. Joe's main strength has always been one-on-one situations. Lloris has always made far more mistakes than Joe, but gets away with it. Lloris is regarded as world class.
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Never have I said otherwise regarding 1 v 1s (and shot stopping). The WC tag gets thrown out far too often for me and, usually after just one or two decent performances. It's as if Pundits have to ensure a WC player exists in every position!

Lloris imo was a good keeper, but not WC, neither was Joe
 
Love Eddie and I think he's a better keeper than Joe, but in terms of pure history I'd pick Joe because he was part of our first two Premier League title winning sides and the FA Cup win. So for now, Joe Hart, but I'm sure (hope!) Eddie goes on to win a lot more with us.
 
Ballet-on-ice said:
I get the feeling that Joe Hart is unfairly being airbrushed from recent history, mainly because of his sudden exit from the club due to the change in playing style under Guardiola. But Hart is our most successful keeper. He's won 2 league medals, 1 fa Cup and 2 league Cup medals and has also been England's nmbr 1 for the best part of 6 to 7 years. Its a shame his career has took a nosedive but, along with people like Kompany, Aguero and Silva; he should be remembered as a player who was part of the new dawn of this fantastic club.

Ederson though is a different keeper from Hart... Calm, commanding, confident and assured. I never get nervous when the ball gets to his feet because I know he will deal with it efficiently and he will distribute it with the coolest of touch to a teammate. His shot stopping and box presence are up there with best.

So, if you were asked to pick your team of the decade who would your keeper be?
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Neither, give it Nicky Weaver :)
 
mosssideblue said:
Never have I said otherwise regarding 1 v 1s (and shot stopping). The WC tag gets thrown out far too often for me and, usually after just one or two decent performances. It's as if Pundits have to ensure a WC player exists in every position!

Lloris imo was a good keeper, but not WC, neither was Joe
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Another Lloris serious mistake v Liverpool btw.
 
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