Edin Dzeko (continued)

[aguero93:20]

You still haven't answered about Bobby last year, 23 games started 22 as sub and pellegrini is using him as a sub more????

Look he did play more PL games. Anyway. For me personally Negredo is great player. I agree 100% with yours describeing of him. I do think that at least 98 % fans likes Dzeko as any other player. I dont think managers dislikes Dzeko in any way. But I DO THINK that he threw Dzeko on the bench after first bad 45 min. It was to quick and not accident. And more importantelly he did not gave him chance to shine in next 10 games. By doing so he gave other player which Dzeko is fighting for the same spot adventage of playing 10 games in a row. And IT DOES MEAN A LOT in a game of football. ( Just look at Adebayor now and under AVB ). He should gave 5 game each. And the same again. Until he found up who is better individually. Not to give one 2,5 games and other 10 most important games in a row.. It was making it easier for the second one to shine.
The presumption that Dzeko is/was only here for 18 monthes and would leave and other striker should be here for longer period of time was also wrong. If Dzeko have had great season this year he could as well sign a new contract.

10 games, do you want to back that up with some proof?

So, after the hull game when he was dropped for 10 games in a row

Aug 31 FT Manchester City 2-0 Hull City 46,903 Premier League
Sep 14 FT Stoke City 0-0 Manchester City 25,052 Premier League (no dzeko)
Sep 17 FT Viktoria Plzen 0-3 Manchester City 11,000 UEFA Champions League (2013 First Phase) (dzeko started)
Sep 22 FT Manchester City 4-1 Manchester United 47,156 Premier League (no dzeko)
Sep 24 FT Manchester City 5-0 Wigan Athletic 25,519 Capital One Cup (Round 3) (dzeko started)
Sep 28 FT Aston Villa 3-2 Manchester City 34,063 Premier League (dzeko started)
Oct 2 FT Manchester City 1-3 Bayern Munich 48,000 UEFA Champions League (2013 First Phase) (dzeko started)
Oct 5 FT Manchester City 3-1 Everton 47,267 Premier League (no dzeko)
Oct 19 FT West Ham United 1-3 Manchester City 34,507 Premier League (no dzeko)
Oct 23 FT CSKA Moscow 1-2 Manchester City 6,000 UEFA Champions League (2013 First Phase) (20 mins as sub)
Oct 27 FT Chelsea 2-1 Manchester City 41,495 Premier League (no dzeko)
Ignored for 10 games in a row, fucking terrible, #Pellegriniout

 

[cleavers]

Why was he so good last night. Similar to his Wolfsburg time. I think he was so pissed after that fight. That he did not think about other things which bothers him and think only about game to show them all. He was having quality all the time in him ( class ). He just needs to bring it OUT of him. It can be done only by games ( not just cup games ) !!!!!!!!!

Perhaps he was so good last night because the coaching staff at City have sat him down, and explained to him that he is useful to us, and that he's fortunate to be at a club that can win trophies, would he prefer to be at a club where he is the main man, but never win anything ? He certainly wasn't playing well because of some stupid posturing over nothing, (something which he should cut out of his game for me).

Just maybe the City staff have explained his importance to the whole sqaud, and just maybe its worked ? He's been improved over that last few games not just last night, and its exactly what those of us who support City wanted, as I said elsewhere his smile is back, he looks interested, his workrate is back close to where it was when he arrived at City, that isn't down to some petty posturing, for me its down to good work from the coaching staff, to get him in the right place to belive in himself.

Please stop having a dig at City, the player himself was to blame for not being in the team, and stop hoping he signs for one of our rivals, it won't happen, City will not sell a player to a club to improve their chances of beating City to the title.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Mourinho and Wenger would give anything to have just ONE striker like Dzeko, or Dzeko himself !!!!

Of course they would, but tell us again, why exactly should City sell a good striker to either club, just to help Bosnia in the world cup ?

But Edin won't even be starting in the World Cup according to Baka

 

[aguero93:20]

Mourinho and Wenger would give anything to have just ONE striker like Dzeko, or Dzeko himself !!!!

Of course they would, but tell us again, why exactly should City sell a good striker to either club, just to help Bosnia in the world cup ?

But Edin won't even be starting in the World Cup according to Baka

Bobby or MP must be taking over the Bosnian national team then, as they're the only two managers in the world stupid enough not to pick Edin for every big game/every game/play him on his own up front/play him with a partner etc etc etc etc etc

 

[Damocles]

One good game against a team who got twatted 5-0 by a Championship side last week and he's back to the best player in the world.

These Bosnians are nothing if not predictable.

True, and while they frustrate and irritate me as much as anyone, we have to give Dzeko credit for his performance last night. It should be a given fact that Negredo is the better player, but regardless of that, Dzeko worked his socks off last night, he had hunger, desire, and it paid dividends in his performance. If he can keep this work rate up then it's obvious why he is a top player.

I thought he had one of his best games in a City shirt yesterday. One of Dzeko's more annoying traits is that he doesn't do the work for other people, he tries to always be the focal point. Yesterday I thought it was the opposite and he was constantly working for the team and creating chances for Negredo.

If he plays like that 20 times a season, I and I imagine most City fans would never have a bad word to say about him. Unfortunately he barely gives us 5. Edin Dzeko isn't good enough for City because he chooses not to be.

 

[The Flash]

Mourinho and Wenger would give anything to have just ONE striker like Dzeko, or Dzeko himself !!!!

Of course they would, but tell us again, why exactly should City sell a good striker to either club, just to help Bosnia in the world cup ?

I dont want Dzeko to be sold that much. I want City to have BEST season in PL and CL EVER. If it is possible in other two cups , even better. But the main target should be PL title and getting past Barcelona.
But when you have such a great player. Who did help City winning his tittle in more than one occesion/games. A player who could walk in to any PL team besided Manchester United and probably Liverpool. It is just not right. To give a player with such potential ( and which had helped club so much ) just cup games and bottom side PL games. It is considered by manyyyyy great managers, players as not allowing a player to live to his potentials. All of them would use much stronger word. He can not motivate him self 100% if he does not have any chance to be in the first team. And play only lower ranked games. But on other side he knows that he is good enough to be in 95 % of all the teams in Europe. As theirs Main man.
Dzeko likes Manchester City very much. It is obvious. Have potential to be very usefull. He just needs to feel important and loved. And he will be Dzeko from Wolfsburg. Why was he so good last night. Similar to his Wolfsburg time. I think he was so pissed after that fight. That he did not think about other things which bothers him and think only about game to show them all. He was having quality all the time in him ( class ). He just needs to bring it OUT of him. It can be done only by games ( not just cup games ) !!!!!!!!!

Hmmmmm. You utterly, utterly miss the point that the manager of MCFC does what's right for MCFC. Not what's right for Edin Dzeko and his mad Bosnian fanboys.

It's that simple.

 

[Anonymous]

No, Baka thinks there's an agenda against Dzeko, the most common and prevalent symptoms are an obsessive desire to dress opinion as hard fact while ignoring proof to the contrary and continual leaps of faith inspired by self contradiction.

No i dont. I STILL thinks when manager have two as good players as Dzeko and Negredo are. He should give both of them similar amount of PL games ( each 10 ) and similar in other cup games like Mancini had done and manyyy other great managers. After first half of the season you should pair the better one ( which could be proven to be Negredo ) with first striker Aguero. ( typical small/big striker combination ). Even with Dzekos bad 45 min. And even with Negredos some great games. Dzeko should be given more chances.
As for that 10 PL games in ROW for Negredo which you have asked me twice. They are:
( 45 min Hull, Stoke ( average game ), Manchester United, Aston Villa ( average game ), Everton, West Hame ( average game ), Norwich, Sunderland ( average game ), Tottenham, Swansea ).
It is 9.5 PL games in a ROW as starter. At Stoke-away, Aston VIlla-away, West Ham-away and Sunderland-away he vas average. He did not score one single goal in that four games. But manager was still puting his trust in him and did not want to rotate with Dzeko ??
In this times he had also played two most important CL games against CSKA. which was biggest Citys opponent for second place. Bayern was regarded as a bonus game from the start. And Plzen is to weak team anyway.
Only after that row of 10 games Dzeko got his PL chance as a starter vs WBA.
The PL games gap from bad 45 min against HULL and that game VS WBA was too big. Dzeko should of be given some chances to impress before. If that was in any kind of plan ?? Negredo was not great at least in that four games.
Have i made myself more understandable Aguero 93:20.

 

[Matty]

One good game against a team who got twatted 5-0 by a Championship side last week and he's back to the best player in the world.

These Bosnians are nothing if not predictable.

True, and while they frustrate and irritate me as much as anyone, we have to give Dzeko credit for his performance last night. It should be a given fact that Negredo is the better player, but regardless of that, Dzeko worked his socks off last night, he had hunger, desire, and it paid dividends in his performance. If he can keep this work rate up then it's obvious why he is a top player.

I thought he had one of his best games in a City shirt yesterday. One of Dzeko's more annoying traits is that he doesn't do the work for other people, he tries to always be the focal point. Yesterday I thought it was the opposite and he was constantly working for the team and creating chances for Negredo.

If he plays like that 20 times a season, I and I imagine most City fans would never have a bad word to say about him. Unfortunately he barely gives us 5. Edin Dzeko isn't good enough for City because he chooses not to be.

That's pretty much it, and it's why many are so frustrated with him. It's not that he isn't good enough, it's that he doesn't play to his potential often enough. I think this fact is somethign that we City fans, and our Bosnian contingent, actually agree on. What seems to be the area of difference is why this occurs. We believe it's due to his attitude, they place the blame at the feet of City and their management (a viewpoint I just can't agree with, for the many reasons I've stated throughout this thread).

 

[bugsyblue]

One good game against a team who got twatted 5-0 by a Championship side last week and he's back to the best player in the world.

These Bosnians are nothing if not predictable.

True, and while they frustrate and irritate me as much as anyone, we have to give Dzeko credit for his performance last night. It should be a given fact that Negredo is the better player, but regardless of that, Dzeko worked his socks off last night, he had hunger, desire, and it paid dividends in his performance. If he can keep this work rate up then it's obvious why he is a top player.

I thought he had one of his best games in a City shirt yesterday. One of Dzeko's more annoying traits is that he doesn't do the work for other people, he tries to always be the focal point. Yesterday I thought it was the opposite and he was constantly working for the team and creating chances for Negredo.

If he plays like that 20 times a season, I and I imagine most City fans would never have a bad word to say about him. Unfortunately he barely gives us 5. Edin Dzeko isn't good enough for City because he chooses not to be.

I slightly disagree. Edin Dzeko is good enough for city as our backup striker. He's not good enough for the first 11 because he chooses not to be. However if he keeps up the work effort and support play we saw last night then he has ever chance to push Negredo and Aguero for certain games. However this is a big IF, Dzeko is anything but consistent.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The way I see it, we'll play something like 55 competitive games a season. We'll usually start with 2 strikers and have one on the bench, who will generally come on at some point. So that's a total of 165 striker appearances over a season. Even with 4 strikers, that's an average of 40 appearances each, which is pretty much the going rate for a striker.

I really HOPE the same. Rotate a little Pellegrini. Not one to play cup games and bottom side league games. And other all derbies ( 6 ) and further CL games.
Dzeko is toooooo good to be used only as cup games player and few bottom side league games.
I still hope he will rotate more in the second half of PL and CL.

What really pleased me last night is not just the individual performances of the two of them but that they looked like a partnership at last. Edin was much more fluid and flexible than he usually is and was prepared to work a lot harder than we're used to seeing. Before last night most of us groaned at the thought of a Dzeko/Negredo partnership but not anymore.